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[SatoAilDarko]

So that Boneface artist collaborating with regular No More Heroes (and recent Fire Emblem) artist Yusuke Kozaki.

This is him:

I can already see the Suda appeal aside from the art work as Suda wore a wrestling mask pretty regularly.

He did the art work for the most recent Queens of the Stone Age album.

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In terms of following up on stuff I wonder if just the character's relationships. The nature of the games usually has the bosses be killed and their back stories kept purposefully light.

Other than the whole ending of the first which I don't think Suda will ever fully follow up on there's not a ton of important questions.

With Travis being transported into the game I wonder if other characters will be too.

I mean of the characters still alive there's only Sylvia, Shinobu, Dr. Naomi, Henry and Kimmy. All of whom I hope make an appearance with Shinobu, Henry and Kimmy as playable characters. I guess the trainer Ryan from two is also alive.

They said already it takes place a certain amount of years after two, forget how many years.

7 years after 1.

Oh I thought they said it was after 2.

Huh. Okay.

It's four years after 2, since 2 is three years after 1. Suda does not consider this a direct sequel to 2 because it does not build off the story from 2, being a new adventure. But it's still taking place after 2.

The reason why he only mentions the first game setting wise is because Badman is only really relevant to 1's story.

What's weird is in this interview he says it's 7 years after 2.

Considering how the time between games and real-world was year off I could see it.

Still I'll rather it be 4 years after 2 so Travis is only 34 instead of 37.

So could it be a prequel to 2?

No More Heroes 1.5 already exists. It's a motion comic Suda wrote for the Japanese limited edition of the second game.

It's a sequel but not a direct sequel. Sort of like how Chain of Memories was a sequel to Kingdom Hearts but it wasn't Kingdom Hearts 2.

Or Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword.

 

[ArjanN]

Huh? Wasn't NMH3 already announced?

The one they just announced is called NMH: Travis Strikes Again, not NMH3.

 

[Shaowstrike]

I take it still no word on a port of NMH2?

 

[Mr. Nice_Guy]

Well you already had my money Suda, telling me it will lead to NMH 3 only wants me to give it to you even more.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Or Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword.

You can't be serious. Like I said earlier, this is akin to Majora's Mask. It's not some small completely different experience. It's a side story in the NMH world

 

[Persona7]

everything about this is confusing. Seems like a spin off low budget title instead of a true sequel.

 

[Dark Ninja]

I really have to see a gameplay video of this to form an actual judgement on the game. But Ill buy it to support Suda.

 

[RecRoulette]

The messaging around this has been really weird

The messaging after the initial trailer has been fine, just folks running with it to bizarre conclusions (myself included)

 

[Dark Cloud]

The one they just announced is called NMH: Travis Strikes Again, not NMH3.

It's actually called Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes 😝

 

[nopenopenope]

.

 

[foxuzamaki]

From reading the full quote it looks like the differential is that the mainline games are about assassinating other assassinations where this is just Travis bullshitting around with the same gameplay

 

[J@hranimo]

It's a No More Heroes game where you aren't battling assassins.

.

Not hard guys

 

[SatoAilDarko]

I see this as a $40 title with six main levels each with a boss with Bad Man being the seventh boss. Or there's a good chance there's is a seventh level with a true boss.

A smart way to reintroduce the series.

Now the question is wether https://www.juxtapoz.com/media/k2/items/cache/0718b9964810b513f9cff189e6477261_L.jpg?t=1503589934

You can't be serious. Like I said earlier, this is akin to Majora's Mask. It's not some small completely different experience. It's a side story in the NMH world

I didn't mean different gameplay or scale.

I meant like Chain of Memories a non-numbered installment that did things differently (though in Travis Strikes Again the difference is more he's in a video game) but is still within the story of the numbered entries.

Like No More Heroes 3 will almost certainly follow the events that happen in Travis Strikes Back.

Also your Majora's Mask comparison isn't great. That game reused exact assets and how a very different gameplay loop which.

 

[Ryuuga]

I'm curious what his measurement for success is.

 

[Eolz]

YES! Please someone make that happen I REALLY want a Killer7 HD for PC and consoles. I'll even multiple dip if it happens.

Capcom is basically the only issue at this point.

I'm curious what his measurement for success is.

Probably Marvelous being happy with the sales, and the game being more than just being profitable. NMH1 was a success.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

I'm curious what his measurement for success is.

Considering he's going for a tighter budget, it probably won't have to sell gangbusters, but enough to be relevant.

 

[LordKano]

The message hasn't been weird. You just have people who can read and those who are trying to spin it to downplay it.
The only part that was open to interpretation/discussion was about the nature of the games Travis will visit, but Suda clarified it in an interview.

 

[Eolz]

The message hasn't been weird. You just have people who can read and those who are trying to spin it to downplay it.

And then there's people that were pushing the message in the previous threads that it was NMH3, those that were downplaying 2, and some others trying to imply things out of nothing.
Let's stop pointing fingers now that everybody seems to get it.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

I see this as a $40 title with six main levels each with a boss with Bad Man being the seventh boss. Or there's a good chance there's is a seventh level with a true boss.

A smart way to reintroduce the series.

Now the question is wether https://www.juxtapoz.com/media/k2/items/cache/0718b9964810b513f9cff189e6477261_L.jpg?t=1503589934



I didn't mean different gameplay or scale.

I meant like Chain of Memories a non-numbered installment that did things differently (though in Travis Strikes Again the difference is more he's in a video game) but is still within the story of the numbered entries.

Like No More Heroes 3 will almost certainly follow the events that happen in Travis Strikes Back.

Also your Majora's Mask comparison isn't great. That game reused exact assets and how a very different gameplay loop which.

This is a different gameplay loop (as different as MM was from OOT). That's literally the reason he isn't called NMH3.

Also the reused assets thing isn't going to confused anyone in the comparison. No one expects a game 2 generations system apart to use the same assets regardless of whether it's a mainline story or side story.

 

[RionaaM]

It's actually called Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes 😝

Travis Returns: Final Fantasy XIII

Now I want this game to have a FF XIII world, with Travis becoming a l'Cie and fighting to avoid turning into a Cie'th.

 

[Mael]

This is the most Suda51 thing ever.
Announce a game with popular character like it's the sequel.
Comes back later to say that it's actually not that but something else entirely and that sequel is gonna come later.
Can't even be mad, the guy is upfront about it and most of it makes no sense.
It's going to be an absolutely fantastic ride, the game is giving all the best vibes so far.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

The one they just announced is called NMH: Travis Strikes Again, not NMH3.

No I'm talking about before this. Didn't Suda go on stage at an earlier event and show a nmh3 logo?

 

[Eolz]

No I'm talking about before this. Didn't Suda go on stage at an earlier event and show a nmh3 logo?

This?
He never showed a NMH3 logo, but people thought he was talking about NMH3 there, even if he was just saying a new game with Travis.

 

[Glass Rebel]

The entire confusion around the game is actually part of the game.

Suda 51 da gawd.

 

[G.O.O.]

So what about the fact that it was showed during the nindies presentation ? I know there's the fact that it references indie games, but could it be like eshop only ? I mean, the death drive only has 6 games, now Suda himself says it's not NMH3...

 

[Astral Dog]

Meh

 

[Eolz]

So what about the fact that it was showed during the nindies presentation ? I know there's the fact that it references indie games, but could it be like eshop only ? I mean, the death drive only has 6 games, now Suda himself says it's not NMH3...

It was there because Suda51 has the indie spirit and because there's indie collaborations in that new NMH.
It made sense.

 

[Opa-Pa]

I didn't understand a single thing of that, but I want this game yesterday.

The entire confusion around the game is actually part of the game.

Suda 51 da gawd.

Pretty much lol.

 

[Instro]

Based on they way they've described the game so far it seems like it will be a smaller shorter experience to test the waters so to speak. Hopefully it's priced accordingly if that's the case.

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

This?
He never showed a NMH3 logo, but people thought he was talking about NMH3 there, even if he was just saying a new game with Travis.

Ahhh ok my mistake.

 

[LordKano]

Based on they way they've described the game so far it seems like it will be a smaller shorter experience to test the waters so to speak. Hopefully it's priced accordingly if that's the case.

He never said it would be shorter than previous games.

 

[Eolz]

Ahhh ok my mistake.

To be fair, even the translator was confused at what Suda was talking about...

 

[CrunchyFrog]

Messaging on this has been so weird. They spent more time on making that trailer than deciding how to actually communicate what this game actually is.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

So is Travis visiting these indie worlds or is he just wearing indie-world t-shirts?

The latter

I mean Hotline Miami is a world/level so Travis probably still is.

No

 

[BRSxIgnition]

They really didn't think this messaging through.

People can call it what they want, but if so many people all got different messages from the same trailer, it wasn't well put together, and the messaging was too broad.

The title probably doesn't help either.

 

[luulubuu]

Suda51- I just want to bury as much as possible NMH2 and make my own thing so in a few years you will be like

NO MORE HEROES 2? NEVER HEARD OF IT

 

[Verder]

its a sugar free 3

basically seeing if the game still has a fanbase enough to warrant a official sequel

 

[Creamium]

Is it weird if I want a Killer7 remaster/remake more than Travis Strikes Again? I'll definitely buy it, but the possibility of having Killer7 on a current platform is very exciting. Game's pretty timeless, I hope it happens.

 

[SatoAilDarko]

Suda51- I just want to bury as much as possible NMH2 and make my own thing so in a few years you will be like

NO MORE HEROES 2? NEVER HEARD OF IT

The denial is strong.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Suda51- I just want to bury as much as possible NMH2 and make my own thing so in a few years you will be like

NO MORE HEROES 2? NEVER HEARD OF IT

ITT people wanting things to be true so hard they imagine justifications

 

[Instro]

He never said it would be shorter than previous games.

They keep talking about there being 6 levels, which is certainly less than previous games.

 

[Astral Dog]

Based on they way they've described the game so far it seems like it will be a smaller shorter experience to test the waters so to speak. Hopefully it's priced accordingly if that's the case.

$40?

 

[LordKano]

They keep talking about there being 6 levels, which is certainly less than previous games.

There are six worlds to explore, that doesn't mean six levels like in the previous games. The structure is different, one world could last as long as 3 or 4 levels in NHM1 and 2, we just don't know.

 

[LaNaranja]

I feel that, if the game is playable with one joy con, that will make it easier to one day put Travis in Smash Bros. So I’m sort of just waiting for that invitation to join the series from Smash Bros. to come.

That was actually one of my questions! My Editor in Chief who’s a big fan really wanted to know if there was any hope to get Travis in Smash Bros. so I guess you kind of answered that for me!

By all means please offer your support for that. The more voices that come up saying “Hey put Travis in your game!” the closer it comes to reality.

Hey Nintendo, put Travis in Smash Bros!

 

[night814]

Someone needs to ask him if he's bringing a NMH 1+2 collection to the Switch.

Would buy the hell out of that.

This would be nice.

 

[InternHertz]

Capcom is basically the only issue at this point.

Indeed Capcom is the issue, and I hope they listen to their inner voice (and our cries) and let the magic happen.
But I have huge doubts they will D:

 

[G0523]

Is Suda seriously basing the future of the series on what he's calling a spinoff? This is some AAA bullshit right here.

 

[LordKano]

Is Suda seriously basing the future of the series on what he's calling a spinoff? This is some AAA bullshit right here.

#454 : it's not a spin-off.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

Is Suda seriously basing the future of the series on what he's calling a spinoff? This is some AAA bullshit right here.

I'm convinced some of you can't read. He literally, and I mean that in the most accurate sense of the word, says it's NOT a spinoff

This isn’t exactly a spin-off, or something like that, and while it’s not a direct sequel it is something of a stepping stone on the road to No More Heroes 3. So the way I’d like people to think of this game is like the beginning of a new battle for Travis, a new series within the series.

 

[BRSxIgnition]

I'm convinced some of you can't read. He literally, and I mean that in the most accurate sense of the word, says it's NOT a spinoff

I hate to be pedantic, but 'A new series within a series' sounds like a spinoff to me, even if he rather not use that word.