cj_iwakura
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I still wonder what kind of surprise you have up in your sleeve hehe.
An actual randomly-selected Cross.
Summon Night 5 |OT| Swordcraft Strategy
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An actual randomly-selected Cross.
A few more. Mostly maybes again:
In the illustration gallery, the two Clesea sketch image things (057/058) have her name spelt as Clecea on the top line.
Mission 20 - Arcana Rites of Mastery - Green Resonance.
...Summoner
seeks the strength of Life Resonance Possession.
Chapter 14.
Morning Star Hill - Arca
or
You need to hold the waves of Netherbeasts back/off until they arrive, though.
?
(And that same line is repeated in the battle chatter text once the battle has begun).
Battle 14-1.
I kind of suspected this from the way the mission is framed, but anyhow, the "Win" clause is written as "Stop Nether infiltration within 20 turns"
Within makes it sound like you have to wipe them out before then, but even if you do clear the board of enemies before 20 turns are up the mission continues until Turn 20 rolls around.
(Also, if you reach Turn 20 and enemies are still up, you still win. Because I just tried that).
Considering that the mission is framed as a hold the line affair, should that be
"Stop/Prevent/Withstand Nether infiltration for 20 turns" or something similar?
Post 14-1
Googling this, this one might be a British thing (to be fair, extra letters usually are), but it's not one I'm familiar with so on the off-chance it isn't - unshakeable?
Then there's a flashback. One of the things in the flashback is something I queried here (the 'in the inevitable'/'into inevitable' thing). I wasn't sure back then, so I'm noting it here again just in case.
Then, that flashback has a line on the end of it that I don't recall seeing in the original scene (What do you call that? What? Is it not transgression?). Was that in the original scene? Should it have been? Did I just completely forget it? I probably won't know for sure until I do a replay, so I'm just noting that down for safety's sake as well.
End of C14, Nighttime chat with
.
End of C14, Nighttime chat with
.
In the illustration gallery, the two Clesea sketch image things (057/058) have her name spelt as Clecea on the top line.
Mission 20 - Arcana Rites of Mastery - Green Resonance.
On the basis of our Soul Pledge, made of our own free will...
...Summoner
Ruelly
Chapter 14.
Morning Star Hill - Arca
You need to hold back/off the waves of Netherbeasts until they arrive, though.
or
You need to hold the waves of Netherbeasts back/off until they arrive, though.
?
(And that same line is repeated in the battle chatter text once the battle has begun).
Battle 14-1.
I kind of suspected this from the way the mission is framed, but anyhow, the "Win" clause is written as "Stop Nether infiltration within 20 turns"
Within makes it sound like you have to wipe them out before then, but even if you do clear the board of enemies before 20 turns are up the mission continues until Turn 20 rolls around.
(Also, if you reach Turn 20 and enemies are still up, you still win. Because I just tried that).
Considering that the mission is framed as a hold the line affair, should that be
"Stop/Prevent/Withstand Nether infiltration for 20 turns" or something similar?
Post 14-1
It's not really a spoiler without context but I've blanked it out anyway.
Googling this, this one might be a British thing (to be fair, extra letters usually are), but it's not one I'm familiar with so on the off-chance it isn't - unshakeable?
Then there's a flashback. One of the things in the flashback is something I queried here (the 'in the inevitable'/'into inevitable' thing). I wasn't sure back then, so I'm noting it here again just in case.
Then, that flashback has a line on the end of it that I don't recall seeing in the original scene (What do you call that? What? Is it not transgression?). Was that in the original scene? Should it have been? Did I just completely forget it? I probably won't know for sure until I do a replay, so I'm just noting that down for safety's sake as well.
End of C14, Nighttime chat with
Torque
an innocent show.
End of C14, Nighttime chat with
Atosh
I've never seen it written like that. I've always seen it as "tomayto, tomahto"
cj_iwakura
Member
Just experienced a crash in Chapter 8. Had Yeng Hua use Piercing Tooth and it hard crashed.
Basileus777
Member
Nope.
Well, I'll just wait then.
Some of the optional missions force you to use specific characters, but I can't actually think of any story missions that forced you to use (or not use) specific characters.
Some of the story missions have guest characters, and iirc they usually block one of your character spots for the mission in question, but that's about it.
Basileus777
Member
You're surprised that a Victor Ireland project isn't a strict localization? I don't think those examples are that bad. It's better than the translating tsubame gaeshi as pimp hand thing that happened with Class of Heroes anyway.
The12thGripper
Member
I ordered the game with an account linked to an email address that I can't access, I've been trying to have the emails forwarded to an email address that I can access for a few months now but I haven't had any success. I never get a reply ;( (edit: I did get a reply once but then when I provided additional information to prove that it was my order, I never got a follow-up)
Also, sorry for the late response! I usually check to see if I get quoted but I guess I haven't for the past couple of days.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
Bland, generic translation vs a Vic Ireland work?
I'll take Vic any day. Yeah it might be goofy and less "pure" but it's so good.
I actually LOVE Vic's translation way more LOL.
cj_iwakura
Member
Exactly, it adds personality. I probably wouldn't have cared about this game if it had just been a Namco localization.
Namco's frequently gone to 8-4 and they tend to be very good. Probably more literal on average, but very good when they have more leeway. Legend of Heroes does show what happens when they don't go to 8-4 on a text heavy game though.
EDIT: Seriously, look up L quotes from Xenoblade Chronicles X. I don't know how much is NoA or 8-4 but some of those are amazing.
AntiFacebook
Member
Are there any news regarding the physical copies?
cj_iwakura
Member
I'm curious too.
Spoilers for Battle 15-2 because I want to vent 
Talk about throwing in a last minute difficulty spike.
Traitor's Need is horrible, I was crossing my fingers every time it was "time" hoping it wouldn't hit anybody twice.
And talk about battles of attrition. It took me 75 turns to get to Phase 3. SEVENTY-FIVE x_x
The first two went down so easily, but the third was a trial and the fourth took freaking forever. I could barely damage it, I had like 10BP remaining so I was stuck with a less than ideal team, and nobody had any MP so I was juggling awful moves to try and build up enough MP to do anything.
And then I was stupid enough to trigger Phase 3 with an unhealed team, so I lost someone right off the bat. Luckily I had a suspend save from a couple of turns beforehand so I could go back and take an extra turn to heal folks up.
I'm doubting Phase 3 will be the last one either, considering how the enemy names still don't match up.
Traitor's Need is horrible, I was crossing my fingers every time it was "time" hoping it wouldn't hit anybody twice.
And talk about battles of attrition. It took me 75 turns to get to Phase 3. SEVENTY-FIVE x_x
The first two went down so easily, but the third was a trial and the fourth took freaking forever. I could barely damage it, I had like 10BP remaining so I was stuck with a less than ideal team, and nobody had any MP so I was juggling awful moves to try and build up enough MP to do anything.
And then I was stupid enough to trigger Phase 3 with an unhealed team, so I lost someone right off the bat. Luckily I had a suspend save from a couple of turns beforehand so I could go back and take an extra turn to heal folks up.
I'm doubting Phase 3 will be the last one either, considering how the enemy names still don't match up.
Nothing after Vic's explanation a little over a week ago about them having to delay production awhile ago to patch some bugs/glitches from the physical version that were discovered from the game after the release of the digital version, just so that the UMD version is as bug free as possible (since patching isn't really possible).
Forgot to post these before.
Chapter 15
Eucross.
(And as a maybe, vehicles)
Commander, I'm assuming, then, that your [...]
:|
The text before 15-2:
It reads more like a statement of intent so it sounds like the second line should be "are
" rather than 'were'.
If it stays 'were' then the the third line would probably read better as "...we would
" (as opposed to we will) and the fourth as "I'd
" (rather than I'll).
Edit:
I just found these two on the bottom of another document I had going, I guess I'd managed to get my windows confused at some point.
I think they were from Chapter 14.
(And if that first line actually said 'matters' it should probably have been 'mattered', but I remember that wasn't what I'd originally intended to query so it's entirely possible that I typed that out wrong myself).
Back Alley - Atosh
and I'm still having a hard time with it.
(Then again, he's a dodgy mob guy, he can probably say what he wants).
Chapter 15
Eucross.
equipment.
(And as a maybe, vehicles)
I'd normally say there should be another comma after the then, but admittedly that makes it look a little odd.
Commander, I'm assuming, then, that your [...]
:|
That was directed at Yeng-hua. I can't recall whether Kagerou ever called her that previously.
The text before 15-2:
Whole speech included for context. I think the mixed tenses are what makes it sound slightly off.
It reads more like a statement of intent so it sounds like the second line should be "are
all consumed
If it stays 'were' then the the third line would probably read better as "...we would
need fear
be able
Edit:
I just found these two on the bottom of another document I had going, I guess I'd managed to get my windows confused at some point.
I think they were from Chapter 14.
'pursuing that monolithic shadow as well'?
(And if that first line actually said 'matters' it should probably have been 'mattered', but I remember that wasn't what I'd originally intended to query so it's entirely possible that I typed that out wrong myself).
Back Alley - Atosh
and I am still having a hard time with it.
and I'm still having a hard time with it.
(Then again, he's a dodgy mob guy, he can probably say what he wants).
((((Just started the game and picked Spinel as my partner because why wouldn't you
So far so solid! The game flow is simple yet addictive, the characters are fun and the translation is great. I don't even miss the lack of voiced Japanese dialogue since it's easier to insert my own voices for the characters anyway (Stephanie Sheh would rock Spinel imo).
PS: Abert is amazing
So far so solid! The game flow is simple yet addictive, the characters are fun and the translation is great. I don't even miss the lack of voiced Japanese dialogue since it's easier to insert my own voices for the characters anyway (Stephanie Sheh would rock Spinel imo).
PS: Abert is amazing
Basileus777
Member
So is that new build/patch nowhere in sight?
cj_iwakura
Member
Nope.
Boy Chapter 9 is some BS. I can do without constant respawning enemies in story battles, thanks.
Boy Chapter 9 is some BS. I can do without constant respawning enemies in story battles, thanks.
I'm coming a Trails of Cold Steel high and am wanting a JRPG with a similar feel. Would you guys recommend this?
Dandy Crocodile
Member
I'd recommend it, but not because it's like Cold Steel. 'Cause it's not.
Grid-based strategy RPG, great characters, replayability, fantastic localization.
If that appeals to you, go for it!
I'd recommend it, but not because it's like Cold Steel. 'Cause it's not.
Grid-based strategy RPG, great characters, replayability, fantastic localization.
If that appeals to you, go for it!
Doesn't this have a school setting?
There is a school (well, an Academy) but the game isn't really set there.
The lead character has left the Academy and works for Eucross, which is sort of like a Police Force except it deals primarily with problems that are important to Summoners and Spirits rather than regular people (like problems caused by rabble rousing spirits, or unregistered summoners wandering around, or liasing with the settlements the spirits from other worlds live in).
I say 'sort of' because there's a separate regular police force that primarily deals with regular people criminals and regular people crime.
You'll be seeing more of them, so I suggest you get used to it
Some of the early ones you can cheese because they have fixed spawn points and you can dump characters on them to prevent them spawning. (At some point that stopped working though, I can't remember exactly when).
I really need to go back to 15-2 and try and finish it off, but I got distracted playing Trails SC. It feels a little weird that the two games I'm most enjoying at the moment are PSP games.
cj_iwakura
Member
This was a ton of help, thanks.
cj_iwakura
Member
Heh, my team is practically steamrolling the game right now.
Saoshyant
Member
For anyone curious about the UMD release (like I am), someone from Gaijin mentioned that it's being shipped at the end of February if all goes well.
They really should use their Twitter to communicate this sort of thing, though. Last post there is from December, which doesn't inspire confidence from people unless you do like I did and dive deeper and search for information on their forum.
They really should use their Twitter to communicate this sort of thing, though. Last post there is from December, which doesn't inspire confidence from people unless you do like I did and dive deeper and search for information on their forum.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
Spiffy. We're finally gonna find out what the surprise bonus thing is, haha.
I bet it's something like a single sticker or a flyer for Class of Heroes 3.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
I love stickers.
Vic wouldn't do that. Or if he did he wouldn't have talked about it like he did, haha.
YianGaruga
Banned
Definitely my biggest issue with the campaign. A single tweet every two weeks or something would go a long way.
Yeah and it doesn't help that Vic usually goes MIA for long stretches of time on here and his forums, so no one knows anything until he returns :/ Communications with the consumer is very importanto.
cj_iwakura
Member
I don't think I'm doing something right, why can't I get the Ally Abilities to activate during battle? They're always shaded out.
Also, why can't I use the MC's awakening? Does his cross have to be present?
Also, why can't I use the MC's awakening? Does his cross have to be present?
YianGaruga
Banned
Ally Abilities only work if the ally is in reserve. I think the translation for that tutorial was misleading. And yes to the other question.
cj_iwakura
Member
Encountered another game breaker, hoping it's just in this battle. At start of the second battle in Chapter 12(during the two back-to-back), attempting to purchase character-specific skills crashes the game, a coding error appears.
Once you go to Acquire Skill,
appears.
This hard crashes the game, but music still plays, and I can still access the Vita overlay.
Once you go to Acquire Skill,
Code:
FsFont.cpp(288): EntStr() entry overThis hard crashes the game, but music still plays, and I can still access the Vita overlay.
YianGaruga
Banned
Isn't that just the well known Acquire Skill bug? It can pretty much happen everywhere
cj_iwakura
Member
Oh, first time I've seen it. Will it be gone after the battle?
YianGaruga
Banned
I don't think anyone figured out any kind of consistency. There are ways to avoid it though.
Some people reported that they permanently fixed it, but the only way I was able to avoid it was to only learn skills in my room. Pre-Battle would always crash.
cj_iwakura
Member
Another bug in Chapter 12-2. Yeesh. Using Ruelly's Awakening hard crashed the game, and also made it impossible to restart.
I had to power cycle the system to relaunch the game.
I had to power cycle the system to relaunch the game.
Regarding the ability bug, sometimes you can bypass it on the pre-battle screen by acting like you're going to spend the XP on levels instead, then going to the ability page afterwards. Similarly sometimes it seems to work if you quickly switch to the 'next' ability page and then back. But yeah, neither are reliable, and sometimes it will still crash anyway.
I consider myself quite lucky never to have encountered the Yeng-hua bug people mentioned, but it might be because I didn't bother using her sword skills until after I had the ability to attack multiple times, so by then I'd probably levelled or upgraded past whatever was causing the problem.
I never had a problem with Ruelly either, luckily.
Anyhow!
After finishing SC, I have now returned to this, and tonight, after one hundred and five turns of pain I have cleared 15-2 \o/
Battle 15-2 spoilers
So, my party went into this battle with the following levels/classes:
And spoilers for the Battle now:
Actually, despite all the venting in my previous post and this one and the one hundred and five turns of pain I really enjoyed 15-2. It required a lot more thought than the battles leading up to it. I kind of wish more of the game had been like it, but I guess if it had then 15-2 wouldn't have been such a standout.
I went for the (character who joins near the end of the game spoiler)
ending because how could I not. It was... fitting. I liked it, anyway. And Arca
.
I don't have it in me to go back to my last save and try again for the other endings from there though, not after that last section. I figure by the time I've gone through a replay I'll be higher level next time due to spending less on skills, so I'll save the other endings for next time around.
Probably aiming for Cyda or Calis next time (although I might feel a little mean about that because my shipping brain was totally shipping Calis/Souken).
I consider myself quite lucky never to have encountered the Yeng-hua bug people mentioned, but it might be because I didn't bother using her sword skills until after I had the ability to attack multiple times, so by then I'd probably levelled or upgraded past whatever was causing the problem.
I never had a problem with Ruelly either, luckily.
Anyhow!
After finishing SC, I have now returned to this, and tonight, after one hundred and five turns of pain I have cleared 15-2 \o/
Battle 15-2 spoilers
So, my party went into this battle with the following levels/classes:
Arca - Lv29 Life Res Specialist.
Kagerou - Lv28 Ogre Flame Kid (I unlocked his other classes, but none of them really worked for me so I stuck with this one).
Abert - Lv20 Lightning Swordsman
Yeng-hua - Lv25 Silver Piercing SK
Calis - Lv24 Metal Atk Specialist
Souken - Lv12 Eucross Summoner (Yes yes, I never gave him a fair shot)
Cyda - Lv26 High Summoner
Ruelly - Lv28 Future Summon Star
Torque - Lv19 Blacksmith
Atosh - Lv28 Chain Criminal
Exela - Lv22 Rompish Songstress
Kagerou - Lv28 Ogre Flame Kid (I unlocked his other classes, but none of them really worked for me so I stuck with this one).
Abert - Lv20 Lightning Swordsman
Yeng-hua - Lv25 Silver Piercing SK
Calis - Lv24 Metal Atk Specialist
Souken - Lv12 Eucross Summoner (Yes yes, I never gave him a fair shot)
Cyda - Lv26 High Summoner
Ruelly - Lv28 Future Summon Star
Torque - Lv19 Blacksmith
Atosh - Lv28 Chain Criminal
Exela - Lv22 Rompish Songstress
And spoilers for the Battle now:
I vented about the drag that was Phase 2 before, Phase 3 felt much better paced. Part of that was probably down to having enough BP to start cycling in characters as and when needed again.
I had a save in Turn77 for "triggering" P3 that I estimate I had to restart from ~20 times. Yeah, I know I suck.
My first few goes I just couldn't seem to get the right balance between Ghift and the adds, but once I got the hang of controlling the adds properly (getting rid of more dangerous ones first, or luring them into range of targets they seem to like, like Yeng and Cyda, so I could start dropping Inberg Zero on them) it got far more manageable.
That final bit where he drops below ~720hp is some brutal, brutal stuff. The first time I triggered it he slaughtered most of my team in a turn, it was... quite a shock ^^;
Even after that I kicked myself several times for triggering it before I meant to, because if you have to end a turn there with multiple melee in range... owch. Owch owch owch.
Complete Denial is a brilliant name for an attack though, I love it.
In my successful win I only lost one character, but frankly I was lucky. At the end of turn 103 he had 3hp remaining. The fact he and his adds only got Atosh that turn was, frankly, lucky as shit. Based on some of my previous failed attempts he could have utterly slaughtered me
My MVP for the fight was probably Calis because I couldn't have made it through P2 without him, but in P3 the load was spread far more evenly.
Atosh/Kagerou/Calis were basically there to tank Ghift, especially once he started doubling down on his attacks, but Calis wasn't as useful when his Resonance wasn't up so it was good to be able to swap in. Atosh was great, but if the adds were too close pretty much everything would target him so being able to swap him out until I could actually spare healing for him (and while he regenned in the backups) was a relief.
Yeng, similarly, was excellent for damage but ranged damage attacks tore through her so being able to swap between her/Cyda/Ruelly was useful. I even made use of Exela a few times.
I had a save in Turn77 for "triggering" P3 that I estimate I had to restart from ~20 times. Yeah, I know I suck.
My first few goes I just couldn't seem to get the right balance between Ghift and the adds, but once I got the hang of controlling the adds properly (getting rid of more dangerous ones first, or luring them into range of targets they seem to like, like Yeng and Cyda, so I could start dropping Inberg Zero on them) it got far more manageable.
That final bit where he drops below ~720hp is some brutal, brutal stuff. The first time I triggered it he slaughtered most of my team in a turn, it was... quite a shock ^^;
Even after that I kicked myself several times for triggering it before I meant to, because if you have to end a turn there with multiple melee in range... owch. Owch owch owch.
Complete Denial is a brilliant name for an attack though, I love it.
In my successful win I only lost one character, but frankly I was lucky. At the end of turn 103 he had 3hp remaining. The fact he and his adds only got Atosh that turn was, frankly, lucky as shit. Based on some of my previous failed attempts he could have utterly slaughtered me
My MVP for the fight was probably Calis because I couldn't have made it through P2 without him, but in P3 the load was spread far more evenly.
Atosh/Kagerou/Calis were basically there to tank Ghift, especially once he started doubling down on his attacks, but Calis wasn't as useful when his Resonance wasn't up so it was good to be able to swap in. Atosh was great, but if the adds were too close pretty much everything would target him so being able to swap him out until I could actually spare healing for him (and while he regenned in the backups) was a relief.
Yeng, similarly, was excellent for damage but ranged damage attacks tore through her so being able to swap between her/Cyda/Ruelly was useful. I even made use of Exela a few times.
Actually, despite all the venting in my previous post and this one and the one hundred and five turns of pain I really enjoyed 15-2. It required a lot more thought than the battles leading up to it. I kind of wish more of the game had been like it, but I guess if it had then 15-2 wouldn't have been such a standout.
I went for the (character who joins near the end of the game spoiler)
__Atosh__
totally won and has a new boytoy
I don't have it in me to go back to my last save and try again for the other endings from there though, not after that last section. I figure by the time I've gone through a replay I'll be higher level next time due to spending less on skills, so I'll save the other endings for next time around.
Probably aiming for Cyda or Calis next time (although I might feel a little mean about that because my shipping brain was totally shipping Calis/Souken).
cj_iwakura
Member
Souken is great, if only for his debuffs. Good defense, too.
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