Neat! Really looking forward to picking this up.
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Neat! Really looking forward to picking this up.
Yeng's side of it is so easy (although I did have a laugh during one attempt when one of Yeng's opponents went and stuck a spear through the back of one of her other opponents, disrupting the 4/4 balance and causing me to fail that way).
Abert's side of it though. Yeesh x_x
I was just wondering if I might stand a better chance if did some work on his weapon. I haven't really looked into modifying them with accessories yet past sticking a few status ailments on the ones Yeng and Ruelly use.
If any of the accessories have multi-target magic skills, and if I switched Abert to Mage Officer, and if I redistributed his stats I might be able to make it work. Maybe.
But possibly not now
PumpkinSpice
Banned
I've actually had it happen in the pre-battle menu after making it happen the first time and working around it. If I go into "Acquire Skills" and scroll through the pages of available skills I get the fsfont error dumped on screen.
We had to include the screen which came over from the Japanese release, and as written originally, it took itself far too seriously and would have been ignored anyway. By making variable versions with a funny tagline, at least people MIGHT notice the screen, and maybe think for a moment about the ill effects of piracy on small game companies.
But glad you're enjoying them. There's a secret one, too.
For Fortitude, purchase the "Healing Orb" party skill. You start the mission with max brave, so just spam it for the first couple turns and try to minimize damage exposure until party members are healthy.
The special knights training is very difficult to complete when it is first unlocked. Basically, as you noticed, both need to be able to one-shot any enemy from a counterattack. If I recall correctly Abert and Yeng-hua were at level ~25 in their base classes (more attack) with maxed out Gun Savvy and set Counterattack/Counterstrike wait option.
cj_iwakura
Member
You ready, Vic?
what is it with the female protags and mini mini skirts?
YianGaruga
Banned
It would be a shame if that doesn't happen. Gaijinworks deserves to work on this as well. It also increases the chance of physical Vita copies immensely.
I approve of the "skirt"
I approve the
mini mini skirts
Anyway gave my code to a close friends of mine.
Now I'm eagerly waiting for the UMD to be shipped out as I'm about to finish my second playthrough of Devil Survivor Overclocked and will follow up with FE Awakening which hopefully I can finish my first playthrough before starting SN5.
lol that pose
Her hands look ridiculously small in that art too. Like proportionately its crazy.
Keep spreading the word on SN5 so we can get the sales to do this!
I learned the hard way that the ESRB does NOT like this on game boxes. We had to change the SN5 logo placement because of it. Very surprising since it was very PG as far as I was concerned.
cj_iwakura
Member
Even though it's not sold in stores? Wild.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Vic,
I've seen you post that there is a secret one a few times already, and I have a question.
Is it a secret due to the circumstance that causes it to appear (tied to game progress or hardware/physical) or just that it's an infinitely small chance of showing up?
Serenade_King
Banned
I also approve of the
mini mini skirts
I don't know if it would be considered a spoiler but I saw
Pariet
Something to do with their advertising code. You can't put overly sexualized images on the outside of boxes or in ads where anyone can see them. INSIDE the box you can do whatever you want, appropriate for the rating you got. We ended up just swapping the manual cover art and the outer box art since the manual art had the bigger SN5 logo that covered more of Arca's underbutt.
But it was crazy. I sent the box in for Rating placement approval and it came back rejected for the art being too sexual. Completely unexpected. It's a crazy business, I tell ya.
We're only in day 6 since release. I have some secret stuff I've put in games that have never been found. Secrets are no fun if you give them away. The journey is the reward.
Zippedpinhead
Member
We're only in day 6 since release. I have some secret stuff I've put in games that have never been found. Secrets are no fun if you give them away. The journey is the reward.
You are going to make me crack open my physical copy when it gets here, aren't you...
The physical version has secrets, too, but they're much easier to discover.
Thought it was just about the retailers not wanting certain covers. Wonder whether Catherine just fell short, you got a tighter judgement, or if they changed policy since then and codified it rather than it just being an issue with a few retailers. I know there's cases like not allowing a gun to be pointed towards the viewer on covers and that wasn't always restricted I think.
Assuming it's been shored up since then. They're definitely overly restrictive now (IMO). I don't see how the original SN5 art with the under butt was overtly sexual.
YianGaruga
Banned
small thing I just discovered: Pressing select on the character menu screen changes the portrait from 3D model to animated 2D art. Neat!
Dandy Crocodile
Member
Yeah, I switched as soon as I discovered that. The 3D models are good, but the animated 2D art is really stellar to look at.
magwizsorc
Member
Will another difficulty unlock after I beat the game with 1 partner?
The power is flickering a bit here, so posting these up now in case it goes and I lose it ^^;
This exchange triggered while I was working through missions in Eucross HQ the other day (it also gave me illustration 53 afterwards):
Post Battle 9-1.
Kagerou has a flashback and says something like he "totally touched the nether just now, no doubt about it"
The flashback was a little older than that, so I'm not sure if the "just now" qualifier should have been there.
(I didn't realise the conversation would end after that line, so I didn't get a chance to take it down exactly).
Post Battle 9-2
End of Chapter 9, if you chat with Kagerou he says "
". Should that have been
?
Post Battle 10-3
I'm really not sure about this one because after a bit more consideration it does work as it is but... yeah. Not sure.
I'm including the "main" four lines of this speech to give context for the last bit, and I'm spoilering the whole lot because it was quite a good speech and I don't want to wreck it for anyone who wants to enjoy it in it's correct place
Chapter 11
Police Squad HQ - Atosh
Battle 11-2
One of the Extra Brave conditions is "Defeat 5 foes with Life Cleansing Flash"
The skill is actually Purification Flash.
This exchange triggered while I was working through missions in Eucross HQ the other day (it also gave me illustration 53 afterwards):
I couldn't respond to that.
Post Battle 9-1.
Kagerou has a flashback and says something like he "totally touched the nether just now, no doubt about it"
The flashback was a little older than that, so I'm not sure if the "just now" qualifier should have been there.
(I didn't realise the conversation would end after that line, so I didn't get a chance to take it down exactly).
Post Battle 9-2
It sounds like a vowel so it should be "an honest chat"
End of Chapter 9, if you chat with Kagerou he says "
...and I might have been turning to a Netherbeast without knowing it.
"turning into"
Post Battle 10-3
I'm really not sure about this one because after a bit more consideration it does work as it is but... yeah. Not sure.
I'm including the "main" four lines of this speech to give context for the last bit, and I'm spoilering the whole lot because it was quite a good speech and I don't want to wreck it for anyone who wants to enjoy it in it's correct place
Like I said, it does kind of work but I wasn't sure if the last bit should be "into inevitable" rather than "in the inevitable"
Chapter 11
Police Squad HQ - Atosh
The 'the' needs to go.
Battle 11-2
One of the Extra Brave conditions is "Defeat 5 foes with Life Cleansing Flash"
The skill is actually Purification Flash.
NeoHorizon
Member
Does anyone know if there is a new game plus? If so, what will be carried over to the ng+? I been doing a lot of rematch grinding for exp so I don't have a hard time dealing with the bosses. I want the next playthrough to be easier so I can save night conversation for all characters.
I actually already purchased that, it just never occured to me to use it. Oops.
Thank you
One down!
The other one is going on the backburner for now, I've accepted that as I am now, I'm not ready. I'll revisit it later.
The whole thing with the covers is quite interesting.
I mean, that is a really iffy pose on the SN6 cover, but the dodgy skirt is hardly the problem.
And wait, what? The picture on the SN5 manual is the one they rejected for being sexual? This one?
What? There's not even anything there x_x
Yes, there kind of has to be because of all the endings. If you play really well, you can only see a handful with one playthrough and a few replays of Chapter 13-15 on that first play.
Offhand, your summon cluster members and their magic carry forward, which is a big one. Obtained Party Skills come across, including slots you bought. There are some other things, but I'm not sure offhand. I'll look.
Too much underbutt, according to the ESRB. We had to use the larger logo to cover it up on the game case. Yeah, I thought it was weird, too.
(Thanks for pointing out the text corrections, too. They're already fixed.)
If anyone can give us a reliable way to get the Yeng-hua black screen attack freeze (battle animation when she attacks with her regular or upgraded sword puts up the name of the attack, but freezes with the screen black) to happen, it would be great. We've only had three reports of it, but we haven't been able to reproduce it even once in three days of trying, and until we can do that, we can't fix it.
Actually, looking at the 360 Catherine cover again and thinking about the Tactics Ogre and DoA 3DS covers... uhh... maybe the ESRB has a very specific issue with underbutt? Those were all covered up, but what Catherine has is cleavage on PS3 and more the lower part of the small of the back on 360. Which is definitely suggestive in my eyes, but just one look at the Bayonetta 2 cover shows it's probably less about being suggestive and straight up "how much actual skin is exposed?" as even a full on butt shot is fine if it's clothed.
Cleavage meanwhile, uhh, I'll just attribute Sports Illustrated swimsuit editions and like 90% of Cosmopolitan covers for why that was probably OK by the ESRB.
Cleavage meanwhile, uhh, I'll just attribute Sports Illustrated swimsuit editions and like 90% of Cosmopolitan covers for why that was probably OK by the ESRB.
cj_iwakura
Member
Catherine had edited variants, though.
Edited variants means a base version got past the ESRB fine, and were made for the likes of Walmart so they would still would stock it. It's why I wonder if maybe they codified the stinginess of the likes of Walmart since then (there's probably some solid reasons but in the end makes it feel even more like one retailer is demanding what is "ok" for literally everyone else in the country) or if this is a particular hang up of the ESRB that's been there (given that this a VERY SPECIFIC AREA that seems possibly more likely, or so I hope in a way.)
Serenade_King
Banned
Can someone explain to me how XP is split between characters? I have a few people that are lvl 9 (while my mains are 22) and I just did a mission with my other characters weakening everyone on the map and then Abert giving the killing bow on all of them hoping that he would get all the XP for himself (didn't work). So do killing enemies give XP? Is it just the XP reward at the end of the lvl? Does the character need to be alive at the end of the fight or even in the stage till the end?
Pretty sure EXP is a hard-set battle reward, evenly divided among all participating members. There is no scaling for level, and it doesn't matter what the unit does in the battle.
I'm not sure if fallen units get EXP, and I'm not sure how swapping in reserve units factors in either as I haven't done that.
Page 29 of the manual. Experience points are shared amongst all units that were deployed at least once in the battle. Incapacitated units get nothing but bitter tears and fermented hummus.
http://www.gaijinworks.com/OnlineManuals/SN5/SummonNight5_USA.pdf
Yeah, there's a LOT to set up at the beginning, and it takes probably more than a half hour or 40 minutes to get through it and get to your first real battle. But the foundation is necessary to set up the awesome story to come.
Once you're past that, it's pretty much a rhythm of event / battle / event / battle. Some events are longer than others, but rarely is it as long as the opening.
Thanks for posting this! Vastly prefer the animated 2D art.
Had to take a few days off from playing since I was busy with family obligations, but back to it now! Finally decided to that I'll be going for Souken's ending variation to hopefully see what his deal is. Especially curious to see if he softens up any.
canedaddy
Member
Thanks! Looking forward to it.
Sent you a PM. You should be all set.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
Definitely lamenting the lack of a retry menu after failing a battle.
Especially when I haven't saved for a battle or two.
Especially when I haven't saved for a battle or two.
Definitely lamenting the lack of a retry menu after failing a battle.
Especially when I haven't saved for a battle or two.
You can save mid-battle using the suspend feature from the select menu. It will do an in-battle save and then you just say "no" when it asks if you want to suspend now and you go back to the battle without actually leaving. You only get one of these kinds of saves, but they are very handy. That way if you die, you can return to exactly the config your battle was in (turn count, stats, etc) when you suspended it.
This is going to help me out so much on filling out the night conversations log! Thanks for posting about it.
Battle save before the final blow, R+X through the conversation to the night convos and reset
Dandy Crocodile
Member
Now if only I could remember to suspend save.
No, there's just normal and easy. The game is slightly easier or harder depending on which Cross you choose, so replays, even with the same hero, are not exactly the same, though new game+ carryovers make successive plays easier overall.
Maybe this was noticed and fixed, but when you can change portraits in the ally menu screen you can also look at JUST the portrait with select, but the button to view either portrait or landscape (long view) is wrong, saying press O instead of X. Guessing a hold over from the Japanese version?
Thought I'd point it out in case it wasn't noticed with the other bugs.
Thought I'd point it out in case it wasn't noticed with the other bugs.
It got reported last week and fixed for the new build (it's only for the 2D portraits, the 3D one has the right button prompts), but I'd rather have something like this mentioned twice than not at all. Thanks!
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