FlamingHawk
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Nope, I did play the Armored Core series a bunch but I never thought they were ground breaking games.
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Sunset Overdrive: no plans for a PC version right now, says developer
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Nope, I did play the Armored Core series a bunch but I never thought they were ground breaking games.
While i'm not excusing myself for going off-topic too often this has seriously nothing to do with the topic of this thread, which is the possibility of a PC release of Sunset Overdrive.
Oh and consoles don't need you defending them, they're machines, made by companies, they don't have feelings or anything.
Saucycarpdog
Member
Wow, the vile comments coming from both sides of the console camp is downright pathetic. They are electronic boxes people!
Getting there? It got here when people decided Insomniac is going to release SSO on PC even though they said they don't have plans to.
Dictator93
Member
Who said death to consoles? Who said the world is better without consoles? Pretty sure just a lot of people said, "yeah, games being on more platforms is awesome."
Also, you cannot make a point if you hand pick your ground and definitions only to fit your agenda. List wars are also prototypical fanboy arguments.
and backed by hundreds of millions of dollars in marketing. Unlike PC gaming, where it's mostly up to gamers.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I haven't played games on a PC for years, has no effect on me at all. The other games going to PC hasn't bothered me in the slightest. Why should it ? I played them and enjoyed them which is what I bought them for.
So upset ? I think if anyone is "so upset" right now as you put it then they desperately need a sense of perspective in life.
Metalwolf Chaos kicked ass as well....
Just like Crytek and Capcom did and probably many others, they gave this statement and for all intends and purposes it IS news and a topic to discuss, people might come over a bit too hopeful but given the history of these kinds of statements it's not that out of place.
Some are acting like the people in Digital Foundry threads that have comparisons to PC yet for some reason (according to those people) you aren't allowed to bring up PC in those threads even though it's part of the article / interview.
Edit: forgot to say that they don't have plans "right now" meaning there is still room for discussion for a possible port in the future, why does this bother you so much?
FlamingHawk
Banned
Right the companies that the gaming industry has survived off of don't matter, ok.....
Exclusives are everything. There the reasons to buy consoles. If games were released on every platform, then there would be no need for companies like Sony and Microsoft to be making the consoles. The reason Sony and Microsoft got into the gaming business was to MAKE MONEY. If you take away the exclusives, you take away sales. Which leads to them making less money. The reason I am saying this is because on this topic alone I've seen so many people saying that exclusives would be better on PC. I honestly can't keep count on how many times I've seen that comment. What they're saying is death to exclusive, bring them to PC. Again, exclusives are the reasons to buy consoles so if you're saying death to exclusives, you are saying death to consoles.
Tell me good quality AAA PS3 exclusives in the past 5 years that aren't shooters or actions games (hint: GT5 and GT6 only). This is how ridiculous what you are saying sounds.
And here you are contradicting yourself. If the games sell more on consoles anyway, bringing them to PC won't make a difference.
I never said any such thing and you're honestly sounding way to invested in this.
I'll bite, off the top of my head (oh God, here comes a list):
Puppeteer, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Afrika, Ace Combat Infinity, Demon's Souls, Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Motorstorm 1-3, Siren: Blood Curse, Ratchet & Clank Future (all games)
You totally didn't need this statement to refute his silly point, it's pretty evidently a weird thing to say
FlamingHawk
Banned
The majority of the games you guys play are not RTS and MMOs and those games survive on consoles. So if consoles die, the games you guys play the most will be gone. The only games that will remain are RTS and MMOs. That is why I said only those two genres because those types of games aren't on consoles and they survive on PC.
And apparently lists are a nono so I will try not to do that again.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
That seems like a sound counter argument
Dictator93
Member
There are FPS, RPGs, tactical games, side scrollers, paltformers, dunegon looters, sex sims, space sims, flight sims, train sims that are all successful on PC and have no console releases. Some of them have extremely high production values.
What is your point?
Also, a lot of games on PC could easily and should be on console perhaps if the money and will powerf rom the fan base is there. Sure they could have some rough edges and require simplified control scheme, but they could and probably should be there if the fans want it.
Having said this, what on earth are you arguing about any more?
FlamingHawk
Banned
Jeez come on, do you still not know I'm talking about AAA games. Of course once I leave that word out, there comes the list. Two genres are the only ones that get high budgets. The other ones you listed do not have AAA budgets.
I've said what I've said about AAA titles dying with consoles, I'm not arguing, I'm just replying to you guys. So stop acting like I'm the only one arguing and you aren't.
Dictator93
Member
Why do you care so much about AAA games as per your overly narrow and agenda-based definiton? Which apparently to you only means 3rd or first person action game published by publishers primarily from the console space.
A definition which leaves out "AAA" PC devs, because MMOs, Mobas, RTS, and niche PC games dont count.
Altered Juice
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FlamingHawk
Banned
Are you serious? The whole thing I started was if consoles die so do AAA titles. Those are the games you guys play the most, the games you guys are looking forward to the most. It has everything to do with AAA titles and games primarily for the console space because I'm replying to the comments that said stuff like "I don't give a shit about Microsoft or Sony, bring the exclusives to PC". I didn't just randomly bring that shit up, there are always these types of comments on here. Its ok for people to say shit like that but not ok for people to defend their opinions? What a joke.
Dictator93
Member
1. I am not "you guys." Who is this generic group of people you are referring to who all only want AAA titles? And who apparently also argue hypocritically?
2. The argument (my argument this entire time) isnt about bring AAA titles to PC, the argument is about bringing exclusives to all platforms.
3, Your argument then is that, without exclusivesm "AAA" games apparently (using your narrow definition of what that means, and apparently "AAAs" are the only games "we" want) won't exist, because without exclusives consoles don't exist.
I say, "who cares" because "AAA" (by both your odd and the real definition) says nothing to quality, but rather just describes budgets and a production methodology. As shitty as AAA games have shown time and time again.
Also consoles could probably exist without exclusives. They would just be lower speced general platforms unless they differentiated through hardware (like nintendo). In which case, hardware exclusivity actually makes sense!
Triple A titles won't "die" if consoles die, they'll just shift over to the next big platform, wherever that may be. The games industry ain't dying anytime soon though, that's a given.
Edit: I'll also just add that if AAA titles were only available on PC you'd see just as big of a sales margin as we do on consoles. Because of their exclusivity and marketing towards getting the console versions, they sell more.
travisbickle
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If it sells to expectations they'll probably try to cut a deal right away on the sequel with MS.
If it doesn't sell well they might cut a different deal for a PC version to recoup costs.
If it doesn't sell well they might cut a different deal for a PC version to recoup costs.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Wouldn't this be very surprising? I've never seen a PC title from them.Not surprising from Insomniac, I don't really care as I'm getting the Sunset Overdrive XBone bundle
El-Pistolero
Member
Pretty much. If the sales prove great, I see no reason for them not to double down on the Xbox One. If said sales fail to impress, they will probably consider a PC port down the road...
I believe they're saying that it's not surprising that Insomniac currently have no plans for a PC version. I still don't understand how people in this thread went from that statement to all but confirming a PC version.
Just for clarification, i don't own an XB1, am not interested in Sunset overdrive..
But, there are too many raging emotions in these kinds of arguments.
People have the right to wonder about third party games that are not locked behind a contract or other such scenario. MS is publishing Sunset overdrive, but Insomniac can technically take themselves anywhere they want, which obviously brings PC into the equation like some other XB1 titles.
Just thinking logically, i think its obvious that physical consoles will be phased out in a couple gens. It may not be next gen, or even the gen after that...but there's gonna come a point where even PC components will only be streamed through servers, and at that point "exclusivity" and "platforms" in general gets a shit ton more complicated.
But, there are too many raging emotions in these kinds of arguments.
People have the right to wonder about third party games that are not locked behind a contract or other such scenario. MS is publishing Sunset overdrive, but Insomniac can technically take themselves anywhere they want, which obviously brings PC into the equation like some other XB1 titles.
Just thinking logically, i think its obvious that physical consoles will be phased out in a couple gens. It may not be next gen, or even the gen after that...but there's gonna come a point where even PC components will only be streamed through servers, and at that point "exclusivity" and "platforms" in general gets a shit ton more complicated.
I don't own an Xbone and don't really have any plans to get one, but Sunset Overdrive looks great and I'm rather jealous that I wont be able to get it. If they released enough good exclusives like this I could be swayed eventually, but if they're just going to start porting them all to PC there's no incentive.
Here's a thought, PC gamers aren't a single hivemind. I understand lots of PC gamers want GTAV, I don't, I personally don't give a shit if this, Destiny, MCC or Ryse come to PC or not. I played too many games like those in recent years for me to care about them, they're tired and homogeneous, exactly what the AAA market wants but not something I'm after right now. That's the reason why I started gaming more on PC in the first place, there's a bigger diversity of genres and games on the platform (in genres that I enjoy) that kept me interested in gaming, it's a market where mid-tier games like that can be still supported. The AAA market can wither away for all I care, I don't have much interest left in it at this stage, the PC market and PC games are already thriving and can support itself, especially considering my most played games on PC have never been on consoles.
Crimsonclaw111
Member
Ah, I misread that then. My mistake.
Gipsy Danger
Member
We'd probably take Bloodborne and Uncharted too but people know that's pretty much impossible. There's a precedence for third-party Xbox exclusives coming to PC. And who is shitting on the console? I have one, but I'd rather play this game on my PC at an acceptable framerate than get a subpar version on Xbone.
Yes, you can. Which is why the PC version of almost every game is the definitive version. Even poor ports like Watch Dogs and Dead Rising 3 run better than their console equivalents on mid-range hardware.
I think you're overrating the importance of exclusives. Gigantic franchises like AC, GTA and CoD are not exclusives, yet they sell best on consoles, by far. Every now and then someone opens a thread on GAF asking "why haven't you bought a PC yet? PC gaming is awesome!" and the answer is always the same: "I like the console environment, I don't want to play on PC". Porting exclusives to PC doesn't kill consoles at all. There's too many people that love to play on consoles and don't want to change.
Gipsy Danger
Member
I still love seeing this argument. "Name me one AAA PC exclusive that isn't a MMO, RPG, RTS, TBS, FPS, TPS or any other genre around. You can't, checkmate."
Gipsy Danger
Member
Double post. Sorry.
alexandros
Banned
I really don't think the value proposition is being diminished, if it was (and I would guess that Microsoft has data about it) then Microsoft wouldn't port these games to PC at all. Giving games a rather large Xbox exclusivity period and then porting to PC is a strategy that allows Microsoft to serve two different audiences, grow the popularity and awareness of its brands and increase the chances of better sequel sales down the line. Console gaming is all about day one retail purchases and heavily front-loaded sales, PC gaming is about long-term sales and sustained revenue over time. Microsoft would be foolish to basically say no to free money like that and Sony is foolish for not porting its back catalogue to PC, especially in its current financial condition.
AntiFacebook
Member
lol, most of the games they made before the Demons souls are better than the souls series.
Otogi, King's field, Lost kingdoms, ...Demons souls doesn't hold a candle for those.
I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
You acting like Microsoft is the one true force keeping console gaming afloat is kind of hilarious though. If they'd drop out of the race and the industry contracts, so be it. We'll manage, others will take their place.
Maybe it'll slow down the stream of homogenized 500-billion-dollar-marketing-budget shootbangs we see rocking the charts every year. The most nauseating aspect of today's gaming is the frothing fervor of big-budget 'AAA games' while completely disregarding indies and lower-budget games.
Oh, and who do you mean with 'you guys'? I'm primarily a console gamer with a PC on the side. I'm not worried.
There will never be a PS4 version, and as for the PC version, I think it depends on how the first game performs, and whether MS want to go forward with the series.
TheUnsunghero26
Member
I don't know why people think that this is always an option. Ninja Gaiden 2 wasn't funded by Microsoft, they only distributed it. Besides, why would any publisher fund a game just to have the developer add a subtitle to it and release on a competing platform? Why didn't Epic do this with Gears? Why didn't Remedy do it with Alan Wake? Why did EA wait 5 years to port ME1? etc..
Insomniac will make more money if they stay with MS for SO, as they'd get marketing support, funding, and a better percentage of the revenue then if they go multiplatform.
And to top it off, at the end of the generation, MS will likely want to buy the IP from them for a hefy sum of cash. Therefore they get a huge payday.
All assuming SO is a success, which I think is a given. They go multiplatform after the first game and they get none of the above.
And to top it off, at the end of the generation, MS will likely want to buy the IP from them for a hefy sum of cash. Therefore they get a huge payday.
All assuming SO is a success, which I think is a given. They go multiplatform after the first game and they get none of the above.
Ploid 3.0
Member
To Microsoft Xbox + PC isn't multiplatform. Also they'd still get marketing support and funding even if they do go PC in the future. I'm betting the same happened for Ryse, Alan Wake, and Dead Rising 3. I wonder if Microsoft feel games going to PC is still in the xbox like family since they will be played on their OS.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Microsoft doesn't own or control SO. Insomniac wants to grow and own their ips now, and there's not going to be much growing on a platform that's shipped a mere 5 million units.
You can bet a SO game will appear on PS4 at some point.
If I remember correctly, Microsoft has the distribution rights, so it still depend on them. I could be wrong though,
If it comes to PC, I'll be glad to give it a chance,
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