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[Green Mamba]

At Launch on the 3DS, Olimar was basically unplayable. His Pikmin would just decide they didn't want to live anymore and wander off a cliff or just refuse to do anything

I don't know if this is still true or not after patches, but if an Olimar spawned on the bottom left platform on Gaur Plain in the 3DS version all three of his Pikmin would fall right down the pit after Olimar plucked them.

The 3DS version was the roughest Smash ever at launch.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

I don't know if this is still true or not after patches, but if an Olimar spawned on the bottom left platform on Gaur Plain in the 3DS version all three of his Pikmin would fall right down the pit after Olimar plucked them.

The 3DS version was the roughest Smash ever at launch.

Yep, thanks 3DS version!

I cannot fathom a person making the argument that Olimar was unbalanced with more than three Pikmin. Five could have been a good number just for balance, but instead we got three because 3DS.

He used to feel more like he did in actual Pikmin because, well, he used to have more Pikmin.

I spend more time managing Pikmin with him than I do anything else now. Please change him back in the future ((

 

[TheDinoman]

Smash 4 in general was hell of a lot rougher back then than it is today.

Hoo-hah.

 

[PK Gaming]

Yep, thanks 3DS version!

I cannot fathom a person making the argument that Olimar was unbalanced with more than three Pikmin. Five could have been a good number just for balance, but instead we got three because 3DS.

He used to feel more like he did in actual Pikmin because, well, he used to have more Pikmin.

I spend more time managing Pikmin with him than I do anything else now. Please change him back in the future ((

He was. It wasn't the thing that pushed him over the edge, but it was one of the many aspects of his character that made fighting against him unbearable. More projectiles on hand = less time reloading, and Olimar's projectiles are amazing.

And having to spend more time managing Pikmin is a good thing. It means Olimar players won't be able to get away by with auto piloting and spamming Pikmin throw.

Smash 4 in general was hell of a lot rougher back then than it is today.

Hoo-hah.

Launch Smash 4 was barely better than Brawl as a fighting game. Current Smash 4 is extremely respectable as an unconventional fighting game.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

The 3DS version was the roughest Smash ever at launch.

Yea, and Olimar is a good example of just why Ice Climbers would not work at all. Pikmin basically have AI that rivals some items, and yet even then, the 3DS struggled with managing.

There were serious improvements though. Pikmin now work basically as well as they do on the Wii U, and even the Vs CPU AI is more in line with the Wii U, while they were totally brain dead before patches.

Patches were fantastic for Smash 4.

 

[PMS341]

Never messed with the character too much since he was so rough in the beginning, but Olimar (specifically Alph) has found his way into my rotation of characters as of late. Great combos, good spacing ability, quick neutrals, etc.

 

[TheDinoman]

Patches were fantastic for Smash 4.

Unless you were Jigglypuff.

Spoiler

and R.O.B's eyes

 

[Richie]

Apropos of nothing, how do you guys feel about Smash songs that are great on their own right but don't necessarily fit a fighting mood? Like Bramble Blast or Midna's Lament. Would you like more of such songs in the game?

 

[Zebei]

Apropos of nothing, how do you guys feel about Smash songs that are great on their own right but don't necessarily fit a fighting mood? Like Bramble Blast or Midna's Lament. Would you like more of such songs in the game?

Bramble Blast is one of, if not the best remix in smash

More of that, less of Enviornmental Noises.

 

[NeonZ]

Apropos of nothing, how do you guys feel about Smash songs that are great on their own right but don't necessarily fit a fighting mood? Like Bramble Blast or Midna's Lament. Would you like more of such songs in the game?

I liked how Brawl used some of those songs for the credit sequences of corresponding characters. Keeping them as fighting music too didn't hurt. I don't get why they returned to a generic credits music here.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Apropos of nothing, how do you guys feel about Smash songs that are great on their own right but don't necessarily fit a fighting mood? Like Bramble Blast or Midna's Lament. Would you like more of such songs in the game?

Funny how I couldn't feel more differently about those two songs. IMO, Bramble Blast/Stickerbrush Symphony is one of the greatest remixes to grace Smash and I think Naruke did a great job translating it to a chaotic fighting game.

Midna's Lament, meanwhile, is just waaaaaaay too depressing to fight to. I can't think of anything else in Smash that's that somber.

 

[Richie]

Bramble Blast is one of, if not the best remix in smash

More of that, less of Environmental Noises.

Funny how I couldn't feel more differently about those two songs. IMO, Bramble Blast/Stickerbrush Symphony is one of the greatest remixes to grace Smash and I think Naruke did a great job translating it to a chaotic fighting game.

Midna's Lament, meanwhile, is just waaaaaaay too depressing to fight to. I can't think of anything else in Smash that's that somber.

I liked how Brawl used some of those songs for the credit sequences of corresponding characters. Keeping them as fighting music too didn't hurt. I don't get why they returned to a generic credits music here.

Definitely agreeing with the quality of Bramble Blast. A friend pointed out that it's quite different from the original, which got me imagining -that- one being in Smash. Much more mellow than Naruke's take. Which got me thinking, what if we had gotten the original as is, would have most been receptive to it? It's one of the most beloved tunes in all of Donkey Kong Country but I wonder if Smashers in overall would have a bone to pick with its more relaxed nature.

Case in point, Midna's Lament. An absolute standout in Twilight Princess' soundtrack but far from what you'd expect in the frenetic ambiance of Smash. I personally don't mind the song being there, why, my brother (enamored with TP) had it as the most favored on MyMusic for a while. At the same time MrSaturn99's got a point.

NeonZ is, too, right recalling that some of the less action-y tunes (first that comes to mind is Snowman for Ness's campaign) felt pretty fitting as credits' themes, and having them at your disposal in normal Brawling was a great "bonus". It didn't happen in Sm4sh, but a story mode a lá SSE is, I think, a good way to present those songs in a more fitting context, while also letting you play them in normal matches.

 

[Professor Beef]

Apropos of nothing, how do you guys feel about Smash songs that are great on their own right but don't necessarily fit a fighting mood? Like Bramble Blast or Midna's Lament. Would you like more of such songs in the game?

*shrug* I only care if the music is good. That's why I turned off all the music on Palutena's Temple except for one song.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Definitely agreeing with the quality of Bramble Blast. A friend pointed out that it's quite different from the original, which got me imagining -that- one being in Smash. Much more mellow than Naruke's take. Which got me thinking, what if we had gotten the original as is, would have most been receptive to it? It's one of the most beloved tunes in all of Donkey Kong Country but I wonder if Smashers in overall would have a bone to pick with its more relaxed nature.

Case in point, Midna's Lament. An absolute standout in Twilight Princess' soundtrack but far from what you'd expect in the frenetic ambiance of Smash. I personally don't mind the song being there, why, my brother (enamored with TP) had it as the most favored on MyMusic for a while. At the same time MrSaturn99's got a point.

NeonZ is, too, right recalling that some of the less action-y tunes (first that comes to mind is Snowman for Ness's campaign) felt pretty fitting as credits' themes, and having them at your disposal in normal Brawling was a great "bonus". It didn't happen in Sm4sh, but a story mode a lá SSE is, I think, a good way to present those songs in a more fitting context, while also letting you play them in normal matches.

It is very different, but that's what I love so much about it, although that may be due to that Bramble Blast was never one of my favorite DKC2 themes. Sacrilege, I know, but as far as DKC2 ambience goes, I'm more of a Forest Interlude guy.

On a side note, I'd LOVE to see if they could do something similar with Aquatic Ambiance. The true king of ambient DK themes.

It's funny you mention Snowman since I saw that mentioned once as not fitting fight sequences either, but I find that comes with the territory for the beautifully heartfelt Mother arrangements (Pollyanna, Magicant, Mother 3 Love Theme, etc.). Same goes with several of the Animal Crossing themes. Personally, I like that they try to something different.

*shrug* I only care if the music is good. That's why I turned off all the music on Palutena's Temple except for one song.

You don't like KI:U music?????

Granted, I don't think the remixes are up there with Smash 4's best barring maybe Wrath of the Reset Bomb (actually, I think Destroyed Skyworld was one of the weakest).

 

[BGBW]

Apropos of nothing, how do you guys feel about Smash songs that are great on their own right but don't necessarily fit a fighting mood? Like Bramble Blast or Midna's Lament. Would you like more of such songs in the game?

I turn them off. Well with modding I've just replaced them lol Midna's Lament is a nice song but it's not really that suitable for fighting. Saying that, some relaxed music can work. The Mother arrangements I keep on. It's not necessarily the frantic pace of Smash it has to suit, but the stage.

Though I haven't made it much of a secret that I'm not the biggest fan of the Stickerbush Symphony arrangement.

 

[IntelliHeath]

Unless you were Jigglypuff.

Spoiler

and R.O.B's eyes

Did R.O.B's eyes work just fine in Smash 3DS? I know few people brought it up for Smash U so I assumed that it's working just fine in 3DS.

 

[Captain Rage Quit 69]

are there any good kid icarus songs besides magnus' theme anyway let's be real here

 

[SoulUnison]

are there any good kid icarus songs besides magnus' theme anyway let's be real here

Boss Battle 1 and multiple themes from the level Phosphora debuts in, off the top of my head.

Dark Pit's theme is also pretty fantastic.

 

[MrSaturn99]

Magnus's Theme is, and always will be, the KI:U GOAT.

Was sooooooo happy when I saw it confirmed for 4.

 

[TheDinoman]

are there any good kid icarus songs besides magnus' theme anyway let's be real here

Pretty much the entire soundtrack is good, mate. I have nearly every track on my iPhone.

 

[NinjaCoachZ]

Kid Icarus's soundtrack selection was near flawless. I was really disappointed that Lightning Battle didn't make it since it was by far my favourite from Uprising and I thought it was a lock to be in the game, but Thunder Cloud Temple is a rearrangement of the same core melody so I can live with it (plus it's a great track too).

Dog's Theme is one of my favourites but it's not really suited for fighting, unless they remixed it heavily. I can't get over how a random dog who appears in such a small portion of the game has such a nice theme.

Weyard is a bit of an odd duck in the listing, but it was still nice to throw a bone to Golden Sun.

 

[DecoReturns]

Just realized that the Supposed top 5 Smash 4 characters are all Female except Cloud.
Would been a good excuse to have Cross dressing Cloud.


I think that once someone plays Ryu Seriously enough, He'll be the best character. I feel some characters are ignored because it takes to much effort, but I could be wrong

 

[Zebei]

are there any good kid icarus songs besides magnus' theme anyway let's be real here

Literally all of them. Uprising OST is godlike

 

[Nocturnowl]

The lack of the Uprising main theme will always puzzle me.

 

[ishibear]

*shrug* I only care if the music is good. That's why I turned off all the music on Palutena's Temple except for one song.

Same.

Pittoo's theme is my fav

I just only want to hear his lol

 

[Green Mamba]

The only bad song on Palutena's Temple is Hades's theme, and that's only because it's like ten seconds long and doesn't properly loop.

There's actually a noticeable amount of songs in SSB4 that don't properly loop, kinda bugs me.

 

[IntelliHeath]

I feel some characters are ignored because it takes to much effort, but I could be wrong

Which is true for most fighting games. People just like to play very accessible characters that could allow them to win the matches easier.

 

[DecoReturns]

Which is true for most fighting games. People just like to play very accessible characters that could allow them to win the matches easier.

Smash is really my only fighting game, so I wasn't really aware, but this makes a lot of sense since some makes lots of money competitively

 

[Professor Beef]

You don't like KI:U music?????

Granted, I don't think the remixes are up there with Smash 4's best barring maybe Wrath of the Reset Bomb (actually, I think Destroyed Skyworld was one of the weakest).

I only use Boss Battle 1. Everything else sucks.

Same.

Pittoo's theme is my fav

I just only want to hear his lol

Sometimes I'll listen to that one, but when I'm trying to play I just stick with BB1

 

[PK Gaming]

I finished playing Fire Emblem: Binding Blade (Roy's game) and I came across this during the credits section:

Melee came out a bit before Binding Blade, which is fascinating to me. Sounds like the Melee staff helped out with FE6's development? Also, Like Corrin for NA/EU, Roy also functioned as an advertisement for his game in Japan. Speaking of Roy, here are his attack animations from FE6:

It is incredibly disappointed how none of this was incorporated into his moveset in Smash Bros! His sheathe adds a ton of style to his moveset, and his ranged attack is awesome. It was understandable in Melee, but with Smash 4 I really wish they changed his neutral B to function like his ranged attack from his source game (rather than have it be his final smash)

 

[ishibear]

The only bad song on Palutena's Temple is Hades's theme, and that's only because it's like ten seconds long and doesn't properly loop.

There's actually a noticeable amount of songs in SSB4 that don't properly loop, kinda bugs me.

Like Cloudtop Cruise - Smash Remix? That song is so epic. If only it didn't loop.

 

[ZSaberLink]

I finished playing Fire Emblem: Binding Blade (Roy's game) and I came across this during the credits section:

Melee came out a bit before Binding Blade, which is fascinating to me. Sounds like the Melee staff helped out with FE6's development? Also, Like Corrin for NA/EU, Roy also functioned as an advertisement for his game in Japan. Speaking of Roy, here are his attack animations from FE6:

It is incredibly disappointed how none of this was incorporated into his moveset in Smash Bros! His sheathe adds a ton of style to his moveset, and his ranged attack is awesome. It was understandable in Melee, but with Smash 4 I really wish they changed his neutral B to function like his ranged attack from his source game (rather than have it be his final smash)

I thought the thanks in the credits was because putting Roy (and Marth) in Melee is what got Fire Emblem localized in the states.

 

[Triforce141]

Like Cloudtop Cruise - Smash Remix? That song is so epic. If only it didn't loop.

Isn't the first half of the song just both the normal and inside the thundercloud versions of the song playing at the same time? It sounds a bit lazily done at times.

 

[FSLink]

I thought the thanks in the credits was because putting Roy (and Marth) in Melee is what got Fire Emblem localized in the states.

Melee came out before FE6, so that wouldn't make sense unless it was a thanks from the fan translators and they added that in or something.

 

[ishibear]

Isn't the first half of the song just both the normal and inside the thundercloud versions of the song playing at the same time? It sounds a bit lazily done at times.

They are blended together, yes. The blend is what I like about it. That and that it is my favorite MK8 stage.

 

[PK Gaming]

I thought the thanks in the credits was because putting Roy (and Marth) in Melee is what got Fire Emblem localized in the states.

Fire Emblem 6 was never officially localized, sadly

 

[jnWake]

I mentioned a Duck Hunt beating a Sheik the other day. Set is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1dwc4qvhC0 .

Heath should like it.

 

[Dimitri LH]

I mentioned a Duck Hunt beating a Sheik the other day. Set is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1dwc4qvhC0 .

Heath should like it.

DuckHunt on effing point........

 

[MrSaturn99]

I only use Boss Battle 1. Everything else sucks.

nooooooooooooooooo

I finished playing Fire Emblem: Binding Blade (Roy's game) and I came across this during the credits section:

Melee came out a bit before Binding Blade, which is fascinating to me. Sounds like the Melee staff helped out with FE6's development?

They're in the Special Thanks section, apparently, so I'm assuming they're just thanking the team for putting Roy in the game. (Especially since he ended up appearing in Melee before Binding Blade came out)

 

[Professor Beef]

nooooooooooooooooo

Not sorry.

 

[PK Gaming]

How To Beat: Cloud (For Beginners) - Smash Bros Wii U - ZeRo

 

[Dimitri LH]

How To Beat: Cloud (For Beginners) - Smash Bros Wii U - ZeRo

Any tips vs Ryu? last tournament I was in last month I got bodied by a Ryu....I have absolutely 0 experience fighting him. I felt embarrassed at how I could not handle his elbow poke (Utilt I think?) trap. Bleh.

At least I made it second place in Doubles.

 

[BGBW]

Elbow your opponent in the face and when they're howling in pain throw their fighter off the stage.

 

[Professor Beef]

Any tips vs Ryu? last tournament I was in last month I got bodied by a Ryu....I have absolutely 0 experience fighting him. I felt embarrassed at how I could not handle his elbow poke (Utilt I think?) trap. Bleh.

At least I made it second place in Doubles.

Ryu secondary here. What are you having trouble with specifically?

 

[IntelliHeath]

I mentioned a Duck Hunt beating a Sheik the other day. Set is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1dwc4qvhC0 .

Heath should like it.

Damn, it's pretty entertaining to watch. Hopefully I would pick up something from him and the video. The player is going to get two thumbs up from me.

 

[Dimitri LH]

Ryu secondary here. What are you having trouble with specifically?

I just remember him having me on serious Lock down, haven't had that happened to me since the first few months with Smash 4.

Im starting to think I should trying picking zoning characters vs him, did not get a chance to try out Robin vs the guys Ryu.

What are his weaknesses?

 

[Poltergust]

This got brought up on my Facebook. Warning: some really grim news ahead.

An active and well-known Smash player named Christina Grimmie died last night after being shot at a concert she was holding. The shooter then shot himself at the scene.

Man, I can't imagine. She's even younger than me. =(

 

[Dimitri LH]

This got brought up on my Facebook. Warning: some really grim news ahead.

An active and well-known Smash player named Christina Grimmie died last night after being shot at a concert she was holding. The shooter then shot himself at the scene.

Man, I can't imagine. She's even younger than me. =(

Wait she was a smash player!? Wow.....not that it matters (she did more stuff then just smash is what I meant), RIP, amazing voice.

 

[PtM]

My thoughts with those they left behind.

Maybe its own thread would be more appropriate.
Never mind, there is one in OT: http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1231619

 

[Professor Beef]

I just remember him having me on serious Lock down, haven't had that happened to me since the first few months with Smash 4.

Im starting to think I should trying picking zoning characters vs him, did not get a chance to try out Robin vs the guys Ryu.

What are his weaknesses?

Ryu has a very predictable recovery, so take advantage of that. Zoning is alright against him but unless you're Villager it's not going to be the solution.