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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS & Wii U DLC |OT2| Lucas comes out of Nowhere!
- Thread starter IntelliHeath
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Good games. Yoshi is a butt that can only be hit when he makes a mistake, and if he wants he can just weave out with all his aerials.
Cool, tried but couldn't do it
Shamrock7r
Member
I will host up.
Shamrock7r
Member
GGs TWILT
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I'd play you
in Persona 4 Ultimax
Well, that and I'd like to get some time in with Mario Maker to justify buying the game lol.
Wanna play?
Sure, let's go.
And lol CRQ, I'd be happy to play you in Persona some time. Just expect a really scrubby Narukami
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
Better than my scrubalicious Naoto. :OSure, let's go.
And lol CRQ, I'd be happy to play you in Persona some time. Just expect a really scrubby Narukami
But TF2 is for babbies, I only play mature shooters for mature young adults like Splatoon :^)
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Here is an interesting Pac-Man combo while the link is working.
Beware of annoying video game commentators
Beware of annoying video game commentators
I can only do it once every 10 or so. Don't have the timing for the grounded version. Aerial one I can do (not consistently though
)Still, if anybody could do it with samus and tell me that's be great
Yeah, I've mainly just been playing WFT now. Don't really want to switch until she's at a level I'm truly satisfied with her. I was doing some dumb stuff against Linkthe lag didn't helpbut I was surprised how much difficulty I had against your Shulk. His long range kinda messes up WFT's normals and I have to be wary of what I throw out more than usual, and you're good at managing his super power stuff and constantly catching me in vulnerable positions as I try to recover.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
I'm gonna post so everyone notices my avatar.
I wanna use MK some more and take him seriously, but I'm not sure where to start. Hard to get used to a character who doesn't have a projectile and is also not Ike. '~' Anybody got tips?
I wanna use MK some more and take him seriously, but I'm not sure where to start. Hard to get used to a character who doesn't have a projectile and is also not Ike. '~' Anybody got tips?
RomanceDawn
Member
I left town for a few months and when I came back I developed this bad habit. For anyone who's played me the last few weeks, did you notice I throw out way more Smash attacks than I should? It's not that I'm trying to but when I go for tilts in a heated situation it seems like half the time a smash comes out and I get majorly punished. What do I need to think about so that doesn't keep happening? I know what I'm thinking but my fingers input wrong.
Switch to tilts on C-Stick.
Cyberman65
Member
Hey, Karst. I know you've been busy lately and stuff, but do you think you can give me advice against a Mewtwo player that I played recently? Link He's a G&W main, but uses Mewtwo specifically against me and I seem to have trouble against it. I also had trouble against your Mewtwo. I'm not sure how Mewtwo does in the matchup, or if its just my lack of knowledge against him.
Karsticles
Member
Sure thing. I will check it out later. YT links are preferable, in the future. Twitch sucks on phones, and that is my primary posting method.
Edit:
1) You have a habit of using down B (or side B?), jump cancel, neutral B. He blocks it consistently, and then gets a free hit.
2) Why Fair in the neutral? Not Sonic's best tool.
3) Too many honest approaches. I think you have the best offensive Sonic I've ever seen, but you don't abuse his cheap stuff like down B and side B enough. Too many footsie approaches make you manageable. You see stuff like Mewtwo hitting you with Dtilt into Ftilt, and that's only happening because you're running up to him. If you spindash, you'll clank instead, and Mewtwo has nothing.
4) Lay off punishable stuff like dash attacks. Mewtwo has ZERO offensive options against Sonic outside of Shadow Ball (charged).
5) Charged Shadow Ball can shut down everything Sonic has. You have to respect it. Don't go in - make Mewtwo waste it first.
6) Since Mewtwo has zero offensive options against Sonic, how are you getting hit? Mostly, you are getting hit because your approach is predictable and unsafe, and you are getting shield grabbed a lot. Mewtwo shouldn't ever get to shield grab Sonic in this game. If you look at 2:55:50, you can see that your usage of homing dash is so predictable that the Mewtwo player goes for a predictive Usmash - very risky on his part, but he was right.
7) You run up and shield a lot. A lot. Your opponent has realized this, and runs in for grabs when you approach. Instead, consider running in and rolling behind Mewtwo more. He has nothing that hits behind him. Even better: stop dashing in the neutral.
8) Don't land predictively. Mewtwo players know how to time their Shadow Ball to hit a landing anywhere on the screen. When you burn both jumps and choose to up B onto the stage to recover, you're giving him a free hit.
9) Don't fuck with charged Shadow Ball.
It's a recurring theme I see.10) Do you see how he keeps landing Confusion against you in the neutral? That's extremely dangerous for him, but it's working because your approach is so predictable. Spend more time doing empty spindashes and jumping in place into fastfall. The move is super punishable and crap in general.
Lastly, your stage selection is not good. Battlefield is Mewtwo's #1 best stage. Don't let him have it. He does well on Halberd and Town & City, as well, but you can't ban 'em all!
Metaknight and Sonic are bad matchups for Mewtwo. Change this stuff and you'll fare better.
Dr. Buni
Member
This. It helped me so much with tilting in Smash.
Man, wario is such a good character. Just got off fighting an incredible one. His air speed and aerials are insane. That back air oos will hit you from anywhere. Full hop air dodge can bait anything. His command grab is probably the best in the game due to his air speed (and it helps that it can cover landings from projectiles). The waft is an insane tide turner, better than mac's ko punch. Has insane recovery due to the bike so he can edgeguard pretty effectively, and it's a good harrasment tool if used sparingly. Dtilt and dash attack tripping is the worst as well.
I guess he has not good smashes (well, up smash is great) but ftilt covers fsmash pretty well.
Dude had a great DK as well (that back air jeeeeez)
Ps I miss spinosaurus where he attt
I guess he has not good smashes (well, up smash is great) but ftilt covers fsmash pretty well.
Dude had a great DK as well (that back air jeeeeez)
Ps I miss spinosaurus where he attt
Karsticles
Member
I just saw this video. Incredible. How is Sakurai so terrible at game design compared to these amateurs?
https://youtu.be/szggXY8k99I
Make sure to watch the full video for Mage Ganondorf awesomeness.
https://youtu.be/szggXY8k99I
Make sure to watch the full video for Mage Ganondorf awesomeness.
My brother got out of his pools at EVO using only Wario. The character is great, glad to see more people convinced of the WAA
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Seems a little unfair to say he's terrible. But the Smash Bros. team does seem to overestimate how much normal players will care about how strong a character is in Free-for-all, or appeasing random online players.
Ganondork is definitely bottom tier on creativity and making use of character history, though.
Dr. Buni
Member
But ff he is so terrible, why are you still playing a game designed by him? Why not play random fan mod (which are based on Sakurai's works) instead?
Also, Ganondorf with a sword is such a dumb idea. A trident would be way more fitting.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
How is it stupid? Ganondorf has used a sword (or two) in every appearance. Ganon was the one using a trident.
Looks super fun to play. Liked the sword less one the best, dat stomp was majestic. It's easier to design characters for a competitive environment if that's your actual target audience. I think Sakurai could do it but opts not to due to his audience being different in his mind.
I think he's wrong because balancing from top to bottom would even out correctly but it doesn't mean he's a bad designer.
Still stuff like MK in brawl and Diddy in this game can make you wonder.
Smash 4 dorf needs auto cancelled aerials. Why does falcon get them and not him?
I think he's wrong because balancing from top to bottom would even out correctly but it doesn't mean he's a bad designer.
Still stuff like MK in brawl and Diddy in this game can make you wonder.
Smash 4 dorf needs auto cancelled aerials. Why does falcon get them and not him?
Karsticles
Member
Sakurai intentionally removed a ton of what made Melee great just to spite the competitive community in Smash 3. Much of it stayed in Smash 4. Terrible.
I only play now and then to keep my skills up, hoping for Mewtwo to get fixed. I would play a random mod, but they don't have a competitive future. No one at locals plays the games. If we had a 50/50 split between PM and Smash 4 at locals, and PM could get tournament support again, I would probably switch.
I don't care about Sword Dorf. That Mage Dorf is crack, though.
Snacks the sober sea lion
Member
Because Ganondorf is strong and therefore needs no other positive attributes.
Don't you know anything about video game balance
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
Do you guys think we'll be getting a new balance update with the Super Mario Maker stage on 9/30? Seems pretty likely to me...
It's also looking like we might be getting another returning retro stage along with Super Mario Maker, if you go by the evidence people have been finding on the Smash Reddit. If it's another Smash 64 stage, I'm pulling for either Sector Z or Saffron City.
It's also looking like we might be getting another returning retro stage along with Super Mario Maker, if you go by the evidence people have been finding on the Smash Reddit. If it's another Smash 64 stage, I'm pulling for either Sector Z or Saffron City.
Please be Pirate Ship
Cyberman65
Member
Thanks a lot for all of this, really appreciate it! Some of the stuff you said, I didn't even notice until now that I never changed from my play. Going to work on a couple of stuff now..
That's what I'm thinking. Adding another character that date would be nice.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I won't lie. Once I saw the Magic Based Ganondorf concept that was presented I was all "Hell yes. This is what I want to see".
And then realize I'll be stuck with the neutered version of Ganon we have now. That we have had. For all 3 entries.
And really the main component I really like is the damn hover and damaging teleport.
Shamrock7r
Member
1v1 anyone
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
Yeah, It's possible that we are going to get balance update with Super Mario Maker stage. I'm hoping that we might get one character and one more stage for this update. I'm not expecting it but it would be nice tho.
Karsticles
Member
Any time! I love analyzing play. I wish I could make money giving people feedback on YT uploads, but most people don't care that much.Thanks a lot for all of this, really appreciate it! Some of the stuff you said, I didn't even notice until now that I never changed from my play. Going to work on a couple of stuff now..
That's what I'm thinking. Adding another character that date would be nice.
I am going to watch the video again.
Agreed on the hover. I wanted it for Mewtwo, too. Flight/hovering in 360 degrees is my favorite character ability. I pretty much always go for whoever can so it in a fighter. I can't believe we don't have one in Smash 4 yet. Dixie Kong would fit the role perfectly, as would Ridley.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Only character that can hover albeit horizontally...is Peach. Who I don't much care for.
Captain Rage Quit 69
Banned
To be fair, at least her hover ability is actually faithful to her ability in SMB2 USA, so it's not like Sakurai just threw it in to say "Fuck Mewtwo/OoT Ganondorf."
And yet I wonder why Mewtwo at least can't float. He's already super floaty, might as well go all the way.
So I just played Seagull Joe on For Glory. I don't know much about him but I think he's supposed to be one of the better Sonic players in America.
He beat me with DK, Falcon and ofcourse, Sonic. But all of those matches were really close, especially his Sonic and Falcon surprisingly. I ended up beating his Villager, Megaman and Sheik twice!
I recorded the Sheik matches ofcourse.
So yea, nice return from my short break from this game!
He beat me with DK, Falcon and ofcourse, Sonic. But all of those matches were really close, especially his Sonic and Falcon surprisingly. I ended up beating his Villager, Megaman and Sheik twice!
I recorded the Sheik matches ofcourse.
So yea, nice return from my short break from this game!
Dimitri LH
Member
I think I found a new weakness for my WFT......Marth. DAMN THOSE LONG REACH TIPPERS!!! @A@
Almost always forced to switch to Palutena for that match up.
I do~
Almost always forced to switch to Palutena for that match up.
I do~
MaverickHunterAsh
Member
That's what I'm thinking. Adding another character that date would be nice.
I really don't see another character coming with this update. Not quite yet. I think we'll get one soon - and I think we'll definitely get Wolf in a couple months to coincide with cross-promotion and marketing for Star Fox Zero - but for this update I think it'll just be the stage(s) and balance tweaks. *Maybe* a fourth wave of Mii Fighter costumes, but even that I don't think we're getting quite yet.
Either way... why aren't you here yet, 9/30?
Christ guys I think I'm burnt out on for glory, I can't even be bothered to style on these idiots anymore. All I meet are terrible players. Links that throw projectiles and do raw usmashes. Ganondorfs. Little Macs... Playing these people is making my play worse. When I find a better player they're just a better Little Mac, or a good Link, or a Sonic or something horrible. I'm just sandbagging lately. I've found some fun in just trying to avoid players entirely with Jigglypuff, flying up and under the stage from ledge to ledge, going for an eventual timeout. Never quite happens, I suppose if I took the task seriously I probably could do it though. I think I hate everyone on for glory right now. I'm playing so passive-aggressive, just fucking with people. Ugh.
I was exaggerating with Sheik-lite... though not that much. I literally let that Greninja player pummel me like 5 times at once and watched my percents go up one at a time. Maybe it's 1.something, I don't know. Maybe the next balance patch will help. Still have no idea why they thought to take away his running side b.
I was exaggerating with Sheik-lite... though not that much. I literally let that Greninja player pummel me like 5 times at once and watched my percents go up one at a time. Maybe it's 1.something, I don't know. Maybe the next balance patch will help. Still have no idea why they thought to take away his running side b.
Mage Ganondorf is the moveset Dorf should've had since Melee.
Don't like how dead man's volley works there though, I think it should just be a powerful but slow projectile which can be hit back and forth (with any hit, not just reflectors) to increase it's power and speed.
Only full charge as a stun makes sense.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Sad thing I suspect is Dorf will never change officially. Not even as a Phantom Ganon DLC pick.
Spinosaurus
Member
<3
I didn't have good internet for the whole summer so I pretty much only played Smash casually with relatives that I visited. I'm back now but health issues are making it hard for me to play whenever I want.
I'm still following everything about this game though.
Wyndstryker
Member
I can play if you're still around