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[AlphaDragoon]

Honestly, I feel like this is the best roster they've ever made. It does suck that characters people liked were cut (I mained Roy in Melee, so don't try to tell me I don't understand lol), but I'm happy with it overall.

 

[Aaronrules380]

ridley it's too disproprtionated to be a fighter...it's the kind of crature that looks good only standing still or flying (and that's how it has been portrayed in most of the games)..animating such creature for a fighting game while looking convincing would be next to impossible..even changing some of this chara design like trimming his wings

toad doesn't really have much to offer since in all the games all he does is smile and stay still,apart from mario 2 usa

dixie kong would have probably ended up being a clone of diddy

mewtwo already "evolved" to lucario years ago

IMpa is another character that didn't really do much in the games where she appears..i can just see her as a clone of sheik maybe

I agree for ganondorf with his own moveset though,maybe even in his pig form

Yeah, I think the bigger issue with Ridley is his proportions, not his size. Even if you scale it down, it'd still be really awkward

 

[SmithnCo]

I love Sakurai's Duck Hunt. The dog looks so so soooooooo much better than the original NES look.

Has someone taken the time to look closely and describe the moveset? I think the neutral special is the can right?

Yes, because that's what Kirby gets when he copies him. I think side is the clay pigeon, up is flight, and down is the wild gunman.

 

[MyBodyisReady]

For those that don't think Nintendo would reward those who purchase both games I give you exhibit A:

And to those that question the fact that Nintendo wouldn't require you to purchase content that cannot give you the "FULL EXPERIENCE BUILT INTO THE GAME" until you own said content exhibit B:

 

[Kinsei]

I don't see how it matters, to be honest. We still get the option of playing as female characters, and the roster has taken huge strides in terms of equivalency as compared to previous games.

I guess that's true, but the "main" version of that character seems to be getting all the marketing. I would like to have a female Villager amiibo (Since I'm a girl and all of my villagers have been girls), but I don't think that will happen until the next Animal Crossing game comes out.

 

[jorgejjvr]

here's hoping we get tournaments here at neogaf and brackets and it doesnt die out like mk8. The smash hype must prevail, Here's hoping the online works as it should!

 

[Neoxon]

SmashGAF...

To the Irrational Ridley Supporters on SmashBoards...

 

[georgetheplushie]

I wonder if Sakurai would consider utilizing Kung Fu's franchise for Smash 5 (or possibly DLC for 4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZFuU_BPOo

Kung Fu/Spartan X is owned by Irem as far as I know. They'd be third party. At the very least, there are rights issues that are keeping it even from showing up on Virtual Console.

 

[MrBadger]

Who would you consider more deserving than duck hunt dog? Seriously, I'd like to know.

King K. Rool.

Spoiler

joking

 

[Spainkiller]

If Spainkiller is still reading this, what makes you think that the extra models your friend saw weren't just characters that were cut late in development?

He still went on about them around the time of the ESRB leak and he said they were VERY detailed.

The Ridley one could've been a stage hazard/boss thing, yeah, but the other three characters were too detailed (read: "finished") not to be playable characters, according to him.

 

[Sponge]

A part of me wonders if there's any information that's still under an embargo from PAX that we don't know about. I seriously doubt it though.

 

[roknin]

Sorry.

I called him on page 259

(Unless you called him before?)

....nope :-(

All you, homie.

 

[Griss]

Ridley salt quotes

To be fair to these guys, Sakurai has known since Brawl that the one character that is talked about - far more than any other, to a ridiculous extent - is Ridley. He has teased him and refused to rule him out, then he leaves him out.

That's just fucking with your fans, and it's not cool. Just say 'Guys, we did some tests, Ridley doesn't really work, his proportional magnitude makes it impossible.' Then the issue is settled and everyone else hypes away in peace. But Sakurai is switched on to the fans, so he must know that Ridley is the most requested, but he gives little hints and teases instead. Expecting those Ridley fans not to be upset is silly.

Note - I'm saying Sakurai has every right to pick the roster he wants, but in the case of the overwhelmingly most requested character he could have let the fans down a bit softer.

 

[MiguelMexMIstery]

Have the trophies of cut characters been found? (Aside from Wolf)

 

[Jawmuncher]

Greatly put, except that Snake will be back as DLC to take revenge on those that sought after his absence!

#SnakeForSmash #BELIEVE

I agree wholeheartedly.

I mean there's a whole story of how kojima wanted him in brawl, and he did have a game exclusively on GameCube, it made sense at the time, but I just didn't see it happening in 2014. If anyone was going to be cut he'd be the first to go.

I guess you can look at it that way.
I don't know. My hope is DLC since they didn't want to over crowd third party advertising for 3DS.

 

[SmithnCo]

here's hoping we get tournaments here at neogaf and brackets and it doesnt die out like mk8. The smash hype must prevail, Here's hoping the online works as it should!

Smash has a way longer lifespan than mk I think so I'm not worried.

 

[SliceSabre]

OH NO! Are we STILL saying this?

I read it as:

"I don't like these characters which means they stole a spot from the characters I actually like!"

Not an argument I bother paying much attention to.

 

[Pancakes]

Wee~

This is amazing.

 

[BassForever]

I don't get how people can say this is the worst roster. Are they just unaware of 64? Are they ignoring the vast majority of veterans returned (and most that didn't were honestly not that popular or well used outside of small online communities)

Everyone has a right to their opinion and who they think is a good or bad character choice. Smash 4 is the first smash game that I flat out didn't like a character inclusion, two of them in fact, its a weird feeling for me to look at a character and go "nope I don't like this newcomer and wish they weren't in"

 

[nerdbot]

I'm ultimately more excited about Duck Hunt and Bowser's offspring than I'm disappointed about Dr. Mario, Dark Pit and the cuts. It's like 60/40 though I'll be honest,

I love every single new character that isn't Dark Pit, this game is absolutely phenomenal, it just hurts to see some favorites gone.

 

[ratcliffja]

He still went on about them around the time of the ESRB leak and he said they were VERY detailed.

The Ridley one could've been a stage hazard/boss thing, yeah, but the other three characters were too detailed (read: "finished") not to be playable characters, according to him.

Wait so now Ridley could be a boss instead? Sheesh, well now I don't even care if that's real or not.

Edit: Also, just because the models are finalized doesn't mean their movesets/animations are. Honestly, the models themselves are probably one of the easier things to do all things considered. You still need VFX, SFX, voice acting (typically), move sets, balancing, etc.

 

[……forgetit]

Twin Snakes, Ghost Babel, Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2

I doubt he was cut for any reason other than Konami is a pachinko company that repeatedly makes very poor video game related decisions.

I kinda see your point, twin snakes was just ten years ago. My point isn't that snake isn't undeserving, just that if any character was going to get cut, it was going to be him.

 

[Jaeger]

If we're going to start making fun of people because their most wanted characters didn't get in, I'm out.

Seriously. Get the stick out your assess.

 

[Red Arremer]

For those that don't think Nintendo would reward those who purchase both games I give you exhibit A:

A soundtrack, that also requires you to register both games, is not a very appealing reward for the majority of players.
Unless you mean to say that this is just another way that Nintendo would try to appease people to buy both, and that you think that they'd do this on top of DLC.

 

[ZeroMaverick]

....nope :-(

All you, homie.

Woo!

Now to just figure out how to crop it properly and stuff...



Anyone know?


Edit: I guess this will have to do for now

 

[Cosmic Dreams]

Kung Fu/Spartan X is owned by Irem as far as I know. They'd be third party.

Damn. Would've been great like the other poster said to see Little Mac team up with this guy. :/

 

[foxuzamaki]

Can we stop with the "3DS was the first version therefore any complaints about it existing are invalid" business?

To me it sounds like they made the choice to go dual consoles before planning even really began; they just considered only doing a 3DS version and decided against it almost immediately.

http://www.officialnintendomagazine.co.uk/51563/smash-bros-3ds-necessary-to-evolve-the-series/

.

 

[Varjet]

#UrbanChampionWasRobbed

Seriously. After the 3D Classic release I thought that Nintendo finally gets it, but nope. Still as clueless as ever.

 

[Capra]

So what do people think are the chances of the Wii U version debuting with extra characters which are then released for 3DS via a free patch? I mean SmashU is going to be at least a few extra months anyway, so if they had characters who weren't quite finished yet it'd make sense to take that time to save them for the release of the "definitive" version. And it'd mean Wii U players wouldn't have had the entire roster spoiled for them months before their version even launched.

 

[mrhej]

So did this happen when Brawl came out where people refused to buy the game?

 

[Spiderduff]

Yes Yes! MORE MORE!!

 

[Finale Fireworker]

He still went on about them around the time of the ESRB leak and he said they were VERY detailed.

The Ridley one could've been a stage hazard/boss thing, yeah, but the other three characters were too detailed (read: "finished") not to be playable characters, according to him.

I really wish this is true. We need that data mine. Why isn't anybody working on that?

 

[Aaronrules380]

To be fair to these guys, Sakurai has known since Brawl that the one character that is talked about - far more than any other, to a ridiculous extent - is Ridley. He has teased him and refused to rule him out, then he leaves him out.

That's just fucking with your fans, and it's not cool. Just say 'Guys, we did some tests, Ridley doesn't really work, his proportional magnitude makes it impossible.' Then the issue is settled and everyone else hypes away in peace. But Sakurai is switched on to the fans, so he must know that Ridley is the most requested, but he gives little hints and teases instead. Expecting those Ridley fans not to be upset is silly.

Note - I'm saying Sakurai has every right to pick the roster he wants, but in the case of the overwhelmingly most requested character he could have let the fans down a bit softer.

Because every smash fan is talking about their wants on the internet. People need to step back and realize that outside of a few internet communities (in the west, since Japan doesn't give a single fuck), Most smash players likely don't give a shit about Ridley. And I say this as a fan

 

[MrBadger]

I have a solution for both the "size" and "proportions" problems with Ridley:

use this design

 

[BGBW]

Oh dear. I see a new challenger is approaching...

 

[TWILT]

Oh my god lol

jiggs confirmed for best hat yessssssssssss

Kinda tempted to play Jigglypuff now...

 

[Save 'N Quit]

Leave it to Smashboards to have the embarrassing Ridley supporters.

Christ.

 

[zroid]

And Dunk Hunt Dog is just awesome, like, everything he stands for lol.

hands-down the best final smash

 

[MyBodyisReady]

A soundtrack, that also requires you to register both games, is not a very appealing reward for the majority of players.
Unless you mean to say that this is just another way that Nintendo would try to appease people to buy both, and that you think that they'd do this on top of DLC.

Yes that. I think this is the precedent that allows an argument for Wii U/3DS cross play DLC to stand.

 

[……forgetit]

No he isn't, he's literally a laugh that people found annoying because they suck at light gun games as a kid that became an internet meme over the years.

I don't like the character, I never liked his game, I don't like his inclusion over other characters that I do like. Just because Sakurai made him unique does not mean I have to like him, or think he's a good inclusion

Dude it doesn't matter how the dog became iconic, just the fact that if you think classic Nintendo, he'll come up, especially way before Ganondorf or badass impa, who's only really been in 2 Zelda games.

 

[Aaronrules380]

Everyone has a right to their opinion and who they think is a good or bad character choice. Smash 4 is the first smash game that I flat out didn't like a character inclusion, two of them in fact, its a weird feeling for me to look at a character and go "nope I don't like this newcomer and wish they weren't in"

So Pichu was ok? Young link? Roy (who didn't even have a game out yet?). I'm guessing the ones you disliked were clones, so removing them wouldn't have added anything else to the game

 

[Toad.T]

- Pokeball Pokemon. Any really hidden ones like, say, Diancie or something.
- Trophies. We have all the ATs iirc. But I wanna see what characters got Trophies, because that may hint to possible DLC if certain characters are absent. Plus I wanna see if any obscure characters got new Trophy Models.
- Soundtrack. Smash Run apparently has a lot of songs.
- All the Smash Run Enemies and End Matches.
- Custom Moves. Mii Customization.

And...that's it, really.

Hmm, guess I'll just pop in and out then. Hopefully the thread won't go into overdrive like before.

On a side note, could anyone here make a better (Like the others, with transparency) version of Ol' Kooky here? I haven't downloaded Gimp/Photoshop onto this laptop yet, so I only have MS paint.

 

[foxuzamaki]

Fuck it, I'm just gonna put it out there:

(And I'm not saying this to troll fans or keep the hype up or whatever.)

I have a source who has been right about previous leaks and has worked on the European localization of the game. He says he has definitely seen moving models of Dixie, Ridley, Chorus Men and Mewtwo in the game and he's still confident that these four characters can be unlocked by linking the 3DS version to the Wii U version.

Now, I know how outlandish this sounds, and being a game journalist myself I'm taking this with a grain of salt myself, but we're talking about the guy who told me about the Bowser Jr. alts immediately after the ESRB leaks and has never been wrong about other stuff as well. Plus, the whole connectivity thing makes far too much sense, if only to get fans to buy both versions. *insert itprintsmoney.gif here*

Again, I swear on my soul that I'm not trolling. Time will tell. I thought Ridley was never gonna be in, but hey.

hmmm

 

[sorakirosaki]

OH NO! Are we STILL saying this?

I have a solution for both the "size" and "proportions" problems with Ridley:

use this design

but the thing is ridley over time has had many design changes i feel like if ridley was going to be playable he was going to use the most iconic design or most recent and from seeing the various evolutions i feel like his torso would make for a weird character tbh

 

[BY2K]

I, for one, welcome our new Smash Roster overlord.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Oh dear. I see a new challenger is approaching...

Lol

 

[The Great Gonzales]

Preorder bonus: every copy of Smash 3DS comes with a packet of salt tucked in the box.

 

[ffdgh]

C'mon lets not be that way with peoples dream characters.

 

[SmithnCo]

I have a solution for both the "size" and "proportions" problems with Ridley:

use this design

Look at those cute little wings

 

[munchie64]

Oh dear. I see a new challenger is approaching...

The best.