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The long rumoured Clinton scandal involving Huma!
toadsworth
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I'm no fan of Reagan, but he was at least reasonable. He wasn't overtly racist, xenophobic and misogynistic.
I may honestly go back to Mexico for the duration of his presidency.
Angelus Errare
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I don't think you'll find many African Americans from that time who would agree with the idea that Reagan is "reasonable" in any sense of the word. And he was pretty damn racist.
The policies of a President outlive them by far. We're still recovering from Reagan to put it in perspective.
silvermember
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What?
I see you forgot the /s
Assuming you are not kidding he was the only thing that mattered at the time, overtly racist.
I mean he nominated scalia. He wanted someone worse but ended up with him.
gutter_trash
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...nia_race_is_tightening_gets_proved_wrong.html
Karl Rove salt from last night
Karl Rove salt from last night
toadsworth
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Fair point. I guess what scares me is Trump openly calling immigrants rapists and killers and his supporters eating it up. Not to mention denying an entire religion on no basis.
Do you guys have any recommended reading on Reagan's effect on the black community? I was born after his time.
Do you guys have any recommended reading on Reagan's effect on the black community? I was born after his time.
Carson is taking votes from Cruz, not from Rubio.
I don't think Sanders cares so much about the VP slot. I think he just wants to push Hillary left and stay there for the GE (in order to get his endorsement).
Not by 9-1. He wouldn't have won by 9-1 head to head against any of the GOPers either.
A Human Becoming
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Copying this over from PoliGAF to give perspective on the polls versus results:
Trump
Alabama expected: 41% - Alabama actual: 43% - Difference: +2
Arkansas expected: 33% - Arkansas actual: 33% - Difference: 0
Georgia expected: 38% - Georgia actual: 39% - Difference: +1
Massachusetts expected: 49% - Massachusetts actual: 49% - Difference: 0
Oklahoma expected: 33% - Oklahoma actual: 28% - Difference: -5
Tennessee expected: 43% - Tennessee actual: 39% - Difference: -4
Texas expected: 27% - Texas actual: 27% - Difference: 0
Virginia expected: 37% - Virginia actual: 35% - Difference: -2
Trump did about what was expected, under performing in Oklahoma and Tennessee.
Cruz
Alabama expected: 16% - Alabama actual: 21% - Difference: +5
Arkansas expected: 26% - Arkansas actual: 31% - Difference: +5
Georgia expected: 20% - Georgia actual: 24% - Difference: +4
Massachusetts expected: 9% - Massachusetts actual: 10% - Difference: +1
Oklahoma expected: 20% - Oklahoma actual: 34% - Difference: +14
Tennessee expected: 18% - Tennessee actual: 25% - Difference: +7
Texas expected: 36% - Texas actual: 44% - Difference: +8
Virginia expected: 15% - Virginia actual: 17% - Difference: +2
Cruz over performed across the board, especially in Oklahoma, but that and Tennessee were the only states it seemed to have any impact on Trump.
Rubio
Alabama expected: 19% - Alabama actual: 19% - Difference: 0
Arkansas expected: 20% - Arkansas actual: 25% - Difference: +5
Georgia expected: 21% - Georgia actual: 25% - Difference: +4
Massachusetts expected: 18% - Massachusetts actual: 18% - Difference: 0
Oklahoma expected: 21% - Oklahoma actual: 26% - Difference: +5
Tennessee expected: 18% - Tennessee actual: 21% - Difference: +3
Texas expected: 18% - Texas actual: 18% - Difference: 0
Virginia expected: 25% - Virginia actual: 32% - Difference: +7
Rubio over performed as well, but not in the states he needed to: Texas and Alabama.
Hillary
Alabama expected: 70% - Alabama actual: 78% - Difference: +8
Arkansas expected: 57% - Arkansas actual: 66% - Difference: +9
Georgia expected: 64% - Georgia actual: 71% - Difference: +7
Massachusetts expected: 51% - Massachusetts actual: 50% - Difference: -1
Oklahoma expected: 42% - Oklahoma actual: 42% - Difference: 0
Tennessee expected: 58% - Tennessee actual: 66% - Difference: +8
Texas expected: 62% - Texas actual: 65% - Difference: +3
Vermont expected: 10% - Vermont actual: 14% - Difference: +4
Virginia expected: 58% - Virginia actual: 64% - Difference: +6
Hillary wrecked it, even beating expectations in Vermont!
Bernie
Alabama expected: 24% - Alabama actual: 19% - Difference: -5
Arkansas expected: 32% - Arkansas actual: 30% - Difference: -2
Georgia expected: 28% - Georgia actual: 28% - Difference: 0
Massachusetts expected: 43% - Massachusetts actual: 49% - Difference: +6
Oklahoma expected: 42% - Oklahoma actual: 52% - Difference: +10
Tennessee expected: 33% - Tennessee actual: 32% - Difference: -1
Texas expected: 32% - Texas actual: 33% - Difference: +1
Vermont expected: 86% - Vermont actual: 86% - Difference: 0
Virginia expected: 35% - Virginia actual: 35% - Difference: 0
Bernie did awful, but he was expected to: Alabama was the worst.
Trump
Alabama expected: 41% - Alabama actual: 43% - Difference: +2
Arkansas expected: 33% - Arkansas actual: 33% - Difference: 0
Georgia expected: 38% - Georgia actual: 39% - Difference: +1
Massachusetts expected: 49% - Massachusetts actual: 49% - Difference: 0
Oklahoma expected: 33% - Oklahoma actual: 28% - Difference: -5
Tennessee expected: 43% - Tennessee actual: 39% - Difference: -4
Texas expected: 27% - Texas actual: 27% - Difference: 0
Virginia expected: 37% - Virginia actual: 35% - Difference: -2
Trump did about what was expected, under performing in Oklahoma and Tennessee.
Cruz
Alabama expected: 16% - Alabama actual: 21% - Difference: +5
Arkansas expected: 26% - Arkansas actual: 31% - Difference: +5
Georgia expected: 20% - Georgia actual: 24% - Difference: +4
Massachusetts expected: 9% - Massachusetts actual: 10% - Difference: +1
Oklahoma expected: 20% - Oklahoma actual: 34% - Difference: +14
Tennessee expected: 18% - Tennessee actual: 25% - Difference: +7
Texas expected: 36% - Texas actual: 44% - Difference: +8
Virginia expected: 15% - Virginia actual: 17% - Difference: +2
Cruz over performed across the board, especially in Oklahoma, but that and Tennessee were the only states it seemed to have any impact on Trump.
Rubio
Alabama expected: 19% - Alabama actual: 19% - Difference: 0
Arkansas expected: 20% - Arkansas actual: 25% - Difference: +5
Georgia expected: 21% - Georgia actual: 25% - Difference: +4
Massachusetts expected: 18% - Massachusetts actual: 18% - Difference: 0
Oklahoma expected: 21% - Oklahoma actual: 26% - Difference: +5
Tennessee expected: 18% - Tennessee actual: 21% - Difference: +3
Texas expected: 18% - Texas actual: 18% - Difference: 0
Virginia expected: 25% - Virginia actual: 32% - Difference: +7
Rubio over performed as well, but not in the states he needed to: Texas and Alabama.
Hillary
Alabama expected: 70% - Alabama actual: 78% - Difference: +8
Arkansas expected: 57% - Arkansas actual: 66% - Difference: +9
Georgia expected: 64% - Georgia actual: 71% - Difference: +7
Massachusetts expected: 51% - Massachusetts actual: 50% - Difference: -1
Oklahoma expected: 42% - Oklahoma actual: 42% - Difference: 0
Tennessee expected: 58% - Tennessee actual: 66% - Difference: +8
Texas expected: 62% - Texas actual: 65% - Difference: +3
Vermont expected: 10% - Vermont actual: 14% - Difference: +4
Virginia expected: 58% - Virginia actual: 64% - Difference: +6
Hillary wrecked it, even beating expectations in Vermont!
Bernie
Alabama expected: 24% - Alabama actual: 19% - Difference: -5
Arkansas expected: 32% - Arkansas actual: 30% - Difference: -2
Georgia expected: 28% - Georgia actual: 28% - Difference: 0
Massachusetts expected: 43% - Massachusetts actual: 49% - Difference: +6
Oklahoma expected: 42% - Oklahoma actual: 52% - Difference: +10
Tennessee expected: 33% - Tennessee actual: 32% - Difference: -1
Texas expected: 32% - Texas actual: 33% - Difference: +1
Vermont expected: 86% - Vermont actual: 86% - Difference: 0
Virginia expected: 35% - Virginia actual: 35% - Difference: 0
Bernie did awful, but he was expected to: Alabama was the worst.
silvermember
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Redditors have always been delusional, so it is not a new trend. That's the drawback of being in an echo chamber, you think your opinions are a reflection of society's.
When reality bites them on the ass, all they can do is go into denial.
As a fellow Sanders supporter, I'd say, while it's your vote, you should consider how the Republican party platform affects:
-the poor
-women
-blacks
-Hispanics
-Muslims
-the LGBT community
-the world as a whole
Hillary Clinton is a moderate who is corrupted by money in politics, and that sucks, but she'll be a far better president than Trump or Cruz. We will get our progressive candidate in 8 years, someone who is electable. Bernie has shown us that there are many Americans, especially younger voters, who are ready for a leftward shift. Until then, I think the most responsible thing is to use our votes in the GE to protect the vulnerable.
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there's something about this thread title that makes it basically invisible to me
redmetal86
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Van Jones and Jeff Lord are back on CNN for round 2 after the break.
Orbis Tabula
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LoL@ The notion that the KKK is a left-wing organization. I seriously doubt the KKK supports gay marriage or equal rights for racial minorities and women, which are both left wing causes.
On the other hand, the KKK would definitely support a wall on the Mexican border and banning Muslims.
moffattron9000
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Reagan also had experience in politics, and had eight years as the Governor of California under his belt before running for president.
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The smartest thing Hillary has done so far is not run away from Obama's legacy. It's one reason why Dems have done so bad in recent midterms.
And Clinton's crime bill from the 90s
That's the mentality that gives Trump the White House. If Hillary is treated as an inevitability then she can easily lose if people decide to stay home.
moffattron9000
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In regards to that, I found this interesting Reddit post that suggests that those crime laws were in fact embraced by the Black community, who believed that it would help fix the damage caused by the Reagan years. It's well worth a read if you've got a few minutes.
I know it's becoming less likely that we'll see him as the Dem. nominee, but it would be wonderful and refreshing. Go Bernie!
Or it would be disastrous and destructive, what with his ideas having no substance, his political history pointing out quite clearly that even if they had substance he's not the person capable of delivering them, and that his "revolution" is smoke and mirrors social media hype.
Show me the receipts. Where has she been bought with money? What was it for? How much money was it? Sanders supporters keep throwing out these accusations but simply taking money from someone is not proof of being corrupt or even giving preferential treatment. It's just not saying "no" to campaign contributions.
Crimson_Gold
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They were. People that weren't living in the midst of it don't understand the support there was for that crime bill. The Hawthorne mall was shut down because of all the shootings and violence that was going on in the area. People were getting killed in the daytime. It was insane. The bill has had terrible consequences, but it wasn't necessarily formed out of some vacuum that was hell-bent on destroying the black community. People wanted to feel safe in their communities and homes. Mistakes are made when people are filled with fear.
excelsiorlef
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Yeah just the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. No big deal.... oh wait.
Don't get complacent.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Ahh, there's the honesty.
balladofwindfishes
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has this ever happened? Where someone projected to win, lost because nobody bothered to show up because what's the point?
This a thousand times over. Talking about the Clinton era crime bill and related legislation as intentionally anti-black is revisionist history. They were all passed with strong support among the black community in general and the congressional black caucus in particular. The intent was to provide communities beset by gang violence with the increased policing needed to keep people safe. The legislation couldn't anticipate and correct for a racially biased and ultimately malicious implementation by the people on the ground.
Given that we have this problem now who better than Hillary Clinton to fix it? She and Donald Trump are the only people willing to dig into the topic of race specifically. They just happen to be talking about it from polar opposite ends of the spectrum.
Full blown delusion. Also, #bernthemedia because anyone expressing rational thought must have been bought by Clinton. No matter how concrete numbers are, TYT is the best place for news because they fart out the unicorns and rainbows that we are all looking for.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Exactly. Few are saying that just give it to her and she will win. We don't know whay will happen in the next few months. A year ago the thought of Trump even being up like this would have made you laugh. He is a scary force and he will attack her. It is going to be a very ugly fight up to November.
I don't know the history, but I do know that Democrats rely on turnout. The more people that register to vote and show up, the better Dems do. Whenever people think an election is decide or that their vote doesn't really matter, they don't show up and turnout is low. People seem to think Clinton will steamroll Trump (which I hope) but polls are much closer than they think. If people stay home, Trump is more likely to win.
Depends how you define it. A lot of people thought Al Gore was the presumptive third Clinton term, he was milquetoast as fuck, and as a result one side of the political spectrum did not turn out as well as they had the previous two cycles for Clinton. A values focused campaign by GW Bush drove strong turnout from the other end and you wound up with an election many thought was in the bag 8-10 months earlier turning into a quagmire followed by a SCOTUS decision ultimately deciding it all.
he is responsible for scalia. That is a 1000x worse.
I don't want to go down this tired track again but here goes. So Bill and Hillary Clinton have received millions in speaking fees and donations from Wall Street/big banking. For instance, here is a list of Hillary's top donors. It takes an extreme naivete to believe that investors and bankers donating large sums of money do so without any expectation of a return on that investment. On the other hand, does that mean she will always side with the big banks? No, I don't believe that. But it's worrying nonetheless when you consider how this may influence her policy as president.
We have got to get money out of politics. Do you really think that politics are better off in America with all of our elected officials being beholden to these moneyed interests? Why should one billionaire have more of a voice than a million of his fellow citizens?
Princess Carl
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That Bush Sr. response is tripping me out.
Quite true. There's plenty of blame to go around.
But my point still stands that it's a bill signed into law by Clinton that has disproportionately affected minortiy communities.
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thepotatoman
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan's_Neshoba_County_Fair_"states'_rights"_speech
Reagan practically invented the dog whistle politics we see today.
Enough with the, "It takes an extreme naivete to believe that investors and bankers donating large sums of money do so without any expectation of a return on that investment" because that is insufficient reasoning.
Show us the legislation.
What, that H. Bush had a heart and actually wanted to help illegal Immigrants? And he was willing to make those views clear in a Republican Primary where it was practically political suicide to do so? I mean, there's a reason this guy only survived one term as president.
Casanova
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At least he has the integrity to uphold his own beliefs, and not adjust them according to what is the popular opinion. Integrity goes a long way
He may not be as polished as Clinton, but his plans to have substance and they could actually work. He may not have as many political ties as Clinton, but he would influence the establishment to readjust their headings as the Chief Executive.
Have a good day
excelsiorlef
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This is cool thanks. So doing the math Sanders was a plus 9 overall but just because of Oklahoma.
However that +9 overall is immediately wiped out with Clinton's +9 in just one state, Arkansas. She then goes on to accumulate a +35 gain on Sanders (though in delegates I believe it'd actually be +31 as I don't believe she got any of Vermont's tiny pot due to being sub 20%) and a +44 overall.
I suppose that you believe it was a coincidence that Bill Clinton signed the bill repealing GlassSteagall (and had a broader record of deregulation), or that Hillary doesn't believe that those regulations should be brought back?
Get real.
brainchild
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Can you blame them? When you're fighting for a movement and need to stay motivated, you don't immerse yourself in reality, you dream on. Similarly, a person battling [a treatable] cancer shouldn't douse themselves in statistical probability, they should do everything they can to fight the dreaded disease, even if they know that it may very well kill them in the end.
To be fair, cancer statistical probability has become pretty positive in recent years. It's become a survivable disease.
excelsiorlef
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I'm really going to pretend like you're not indirectly comparing Clinton to cancer.
And yes I can, politics should be based in reality.
silvermember
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Except they are not fighting for a movement they are online making post, that is not the same thing as fighting.
So...no Hillary backed legislation then?
Already Torn
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