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grandjedi6 said:
Eh, at least she answered my Prope related questions, now I'm even more psyched!
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Surfer girl nonsense, resistance and killzone fans go away please
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Eh, at least she answered my Prope related questions, now I'm even more psyched!
Visualante
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1. We don't live in Chinagrandjedi6 said:
2. Let's say Surfer Girl has worked in games journalism for the past 10 years. Then SG met a lot of people and has some good contacts at Ubisoft, EA, and others.
That is potentially a huge contact list, and it is not an unreasonable guess that this person receives information and tips regularly from these people and posts them anonymously as a gesture of good will to gamers/rebellion. If you listen to 1UP Yours you'd know that Shane has friends at developers, so does Garnett and without a doubt others.
It's not a commercial blog, there is no real vested interest besides the occasional party political broadcast. I see no reason why SG would tarnish her growing reputation by making things up. I trust practically everything posted about Eidos, Ubisoft and EA.
I do question how SG gets Japanese information, but obv. we will see.
Visualante said:
Again, this was a point I made earlier but was shouted down. I can certainly imagine her having deep links with the video game journalism and development comunity in Europe and the US, but I really can't see how that translates to having an insight into the workings of SE and the like.
charlequin
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Busty said:
Yep. The Far Cry 2 thing got shouted down too, even though that was a specific concrete example of Surfer Girl throwing something out there, getting pwned by an announcement, and then damage controlling her inaccurate rumor with "oh, they changed things in development!" And so did the fact that she didn't understand that Sonic DS and "Dark Brotherhood" were the same game, just a week before the NP reveal of the game. And so on.
Disclaimer: this post was entirely written by a dimwit
I do not doubt that the info is correct but the way it's pieced together to reach SG's conclusions give a bad taste of sensationalistic Internet journalism in my mouth (there can no longer be any doubt, SG is a game reporter).
We all knew that KZ2 was delayed when the online beta Motherm had promised for last year never came. But can it really be considered as a bad omen when most big budget hardware pushing showpieces of next gen gaming suffer from delays?
If GG's managerial lacks any sort of financial or work allocation skills then why haven't this showed in the past?
Yes the first KZ wasn't outstanding in any way but it sure as H' had a huge production value. That game was only made by 20 (ramped up to 40 after the Nam game was released) for a medium budget.
Not even Halo 2 with a much bigger budget and staff blew away KZ in this aspect.
The SCE Cambridge comment is just weird, SG of all people should know that this studio (like SCE Liverpool) has been lending its staff to several developers while they are in the planning process of their own IP.
It's not easy to pull in qualified artists from the street and with GG growing from 40 to 120+ in record time there's obviously need for experienced developers in key positions to ensure the quality.
For the budget and Insomniac, I do not know how reliable this is.
It's just like the Ubi case where we do not know SG's source and it's personal standing; a story always has more than one angle.
Who cares, never gave us anything.
Graphics are of importance and no matter what you say fact stays that GG is setting the bar for what next gen gaming is.
It's the same with the next Star Wars game, game-play and background comes second because it gives us a taste of why we got a 360/PS3 instead of staying with our old consoles.
Wow you have been trolling the official KZ2 thread for so long without actually bothering to look at the media. :S
That explains the weird graphics comments.
They shared a vision of next gen gaming, till then people only expected last gen gaming in high def.
It has Euphoria, animation blending, volumetric explosions, volumetric clouds, Depth of Field and various other blur effects. All things which actually can be done and are being done now by other developers but not o the same extend (they tend to only focus on one thing)
Not forgetting the high production value, a ton of unique sound and unique character models with their own animations where action and cut-scenes were mixed together HalfLife2 style but where the characters weren't fixed statues.
Yes it's a very lofty goal but the hardware with the Blu-Ray media allows for it and GG has proved it worth when it comes to technical achievements plus they this time around have the budget.
Game-play has indeed been GG's weak spot but if they manages to reach their vision it will help making the experience engaging enough for the player to overlook game-play issues (we both know this is true because we have seen it countless times).
But when that is said, GG's is at least aware of the game-play flaws of the first KZ and have already fixed them (we saw this at E3 '07; I'll re-list them if anyone wants me to) and even had the vision to implement a first person cover system; something so simple and intuitive yet no other developer has had the imagination needed to do it.
In short; GG envisioned gaming as something where the player doesn't get the feeling of the NPCs not just standing around waiting for one's actions.
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Now let's get this into RPGs, instead of the player having to click a character I want the NPCs to approach me and begin a conversation without the game pausing all other action (I want to be able to order a beer while listening to one of the bar guests sharing what it got on its heart).
I do not doubt that the info is correct but the way it's pieced together to reach SG's conclusions give a bad taste of sensationalistic Internet journalism in my mouth (there can no longer be any doubt, SG is a game reporter).
We all knew that KZ2 was delayed when the online beta Motherm had promised for last year never came. But can it really be considered as a bad omen when most big budget hardware pushing showpieces of next gen gaming suffer from delays?
If GG's managerial lacks any sort of financial or work allocation skills then why haven't this showed in the past?
Yes the first KZ wasn't outstanding in any way but it sure as H' had a huge production value. That game was only made by 20 (ramped up to 40 after the Nam game was released) for a medium budget.
Not even Halo 2 with a much bigger budget and staff blew away KZ in this aspect.
The SCE Cambridge comment is just weird, SG of all people should know that this studio (like SCE Liverpool) has been lending its staff to several developers while they are in the planning process of their own IP.
It's not easy to pull in qualified artists from the street and with GG growing from 40 to 120+ in record time there's obviously need for experienced developers in key positions to ensure the quality.
For the budget and Insomniac, I do not know how reliable this is.
It's just like the Ubi case where we do not know SG's source and it's personal standing; a story always has more than one angle.
Kittonwy said:Where's Tempy? Where's Tempy?
Who cares, never gave us anything.
Lightning said:
Graphics are of importance and no matter what you say fact stays that GG is setting the bar for what next gen gaming is.
It's the same with the next Star Wars game, game-play and background comes second because it gives us a taste of why we got a 360/PS3 instead of staying with our old consoles.
Deepblue said:
Wow you have been trolling the official KZ2 thread for so long without actually bothering to look at the media. :S
That explains the weird graphics comments.
Night_Trekker said:
They shared a vision of next gen gaming, till then people only expected last gen gaming in high def.
It has Euphoria, animation blending, volumetric explosions, volumetric clouds, Depth of Field and various other blur effects. All things which actually can be done and are being done now by other developers but not o the same extend (they tend to only focus on one thing)
Not forgetting the high production value, a ton of unique sound and unique character models with their own animations where action and cut-scenes were mixed together HalfLife2 style but where the characters weren't fixed statues.
Yes it's a very lofty goal but the hardware with the Blu-Ray media allows for it and GG has proved it worth when it comes to technical achievements plus they this time around have the budget.
Game-play has indeed been GG's weak spot but if they manages to reach their vision it will help making the experience engaging enough for the player to overlook game-play issues (we both know this is true because we have seen it countless times).
But when that is said, GG's is at least aware of the game-play flaws of the first KZ and have already fixed them (we saw this at E3 '07; I'll re-list them if anyone wants me to) and even had the vision to implement a first person cover system; something so simple and intuitive yet no other developer has had the imagination needed to do it.
In short; GG envisioned gaming as something where the player doesn't get the feeling of the NPCs not just standing around waiting for one's actions.
------
Now let's get this into RPGs, instead of the player having to click a character I want the NPCs to approach me and begin a conversation without the game pausing all other action (I want to be able to order a beer while listening to one of the bar guests sharing what it got on its heart).
Worm_Buffet
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VonGak! said:
Has to be one of the most baffling typos I have ever seen.
Visualante
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I did some research, can't comment on the budget as this information is reserved for the management at Guerilla Games. I am not sure Tempy would even be able to comment on it.
Basically the only thing I got is that Guerilla wants the game to ship when they consider it done. Which if SG's source is to be believed will be later rather than sooner.
Sony is happy to pay. They want this game to be good
Oh yeah what Surfer Girl says about high turnover is true also.
Basically the only thing I got is that Guerilla wants the game to ship when they consider it done. Which if SG's source is to be believed will be later rather than sooner.
Sony is happy to pay. They want this game to be good
Oh yeah what Surfer Girl says about high turnover is true also.
Visualante said:
Is it possibly to compare it to other rapidly growing studios in central Europe outside the UK and has any of the core staffers left?
Because the filling in with SCE Cambridge staffers has been done with many SCE published titles while the studio doesn't have its own project.
The personal attacks and insults Surfer Girl gets illustrates how poorly we gamers represent ourselves.
She gets information and she puts it on her blog for our perusal. Whether she winds up being right or wrong on a topic, why does that justify personal attacks? What if she is getting some of her info from other websites or even NeoGAF? Why is that mentioned as some kind of negative?
There is nothing wrong with agreeing or disagreeing with her and mentioning that, but should the responders have a different point of view, why are they compelled to insult her? I just don't understand this reaction.
She gets information and she puts it on her blog for our perusal. Whether she winds up being right or wrong on a topic, why does that justify personal attacks? What if she is getting some of her info from other websites or even NeoGAF? Why is that mentioned as some kind of negative?
There is nothing wrong with agreeing or disagreeing with her and mentioning that, but should the responders have a different point of view, why are they compelled to insult her? I just don't understand this reaction.
deejay8595
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Zabka said:
It doesn't use that tech....
So what? They could be kids for all we know. Hell, they probably are kids. Immature comments in a comments section is par for the course. Plus, she approves every one of those posts herself.stotch said:
Besides all that, there are very few insulting comments. I read the comments there all the time and less then 10% are negative or insults.
KZObsessed
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Lightning said:
If it's not too much trouble to find, could you provide a link to the post where she said that?
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Visualante said:
Why? Why are people working on the game very fast then leaving?
Visualante
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Couldn't say.mckmas8808 said:
FFObsessed said:
In the comments section of her zomokepsis post. Sicknick85 asks it.
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6236993101430981147&postID=1970519997128295566
KZObsessed
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If I may express my opinion on all this Surfer Girl Killzone 2 silliness.
I think it's clear that this Surfer Girl does have sources and I'm sure she's right about the budget being increased, but as someone posted above, Im sure Sony are quite happy to pay it, it is such a massive title after all. Personally I'd rather GG did ship it "when they felt it was ready" as the problem with the first game was that it was rushed out to meet Halo 2.
Sony Cambridge helping out on the title? This isn't anything new or anything shocking. Cambridge have apparently done that on a few titles so far and a few more titles coming up. It was also rumoured that Sony Liverpool did some QA on some Killzone 2 tech a while a go as well.
As for her opinion on it being mediocre, she's said for a while now that's she not interested in playing Killzone 2 or MGS4, it's clearly just not her type of game, and I seriously doubt she's actually played it, nothing more than the E3 build anyway as Sony are very secretive about it. Will the game be mediocre? Who knows, GG dont have the best track record (tho Killzone Lib is AAA screw EGM/1UP!!!) and even the best, most experienced devs can make a stinker, you never know until it ships, so we'll have to wait and see.
But the most BS part of her "rumour" surely has to be that Insomniac have some sort of spite towards Guerilla Games and Sony because GG have a bigger budget and Insomniac think their game is better? oh come on, Insomniac games are one of the most classy, humble dev teams around, there's no way they would act like a bunch of butt hurt school children. GG are a first party dev team, Insomniac are independent and are therefore going to make more profit off their game than GG will. Also GGs budget is obviously gonna be bigger than Insomniac's because Insomniac are much more efficient and fast working when it comes to their games. The fact that R2's budget is small is just because they're doing a better job than GG in getting their game finished.
There's a chance it's all true, some things that seem unlikely can in fact turn out to be correct, but I think common sense on a number of things points to some of this being made up, especially the Insomniac part of the rumour. I love Insomniac games and I truly hope it isn't true as they would go down in my estimations, and I don't want that to happen. And before anyone says anything, yes I really do want Killzone 2 to be a AAA title, Im not one of these people who thinks it's going to be god of all FPSs just because it's the best looking game we've seen, but why would anyone want a game to suck? So maybe this is some damage control because i dont want it to be true on many levels, but i think common sense shows that she could easily be wrong, just as she could be right and we'll have to wait see how the game turns out.
I think it's clear that this Surfer Girl does have sources and I'm sure she's right about the budget being increased, but as someone posted above, Im sure Sony are quite happy to pay it, it is such a massive title after all. Personally I'd rather GG did ship it "when they felt it was ready" as the problem with the first game was that it was rushed out to meet Halo 2.
Sony Cambridge helping out on the title? This isn't anything new or anything shocking. Cambridge have apparently done that on a few titles so far and a few more titles coming up. It was also rumoured that Sony Liverpool did some QA on some Killzone 2 tech a while a go as well.
As for her opinion on it being mediocre, she's said for a while now that's she not interested in playing Killzone 2 or MGS4, it's clearly just not her type of game, and I seriously doubt she's actually played it, nothing more than the E3 build anyway as Sony are very secretive about it. Will the game be mediocre? Who knows, GG dont have the best track record (tho Killzone Lib is AAA screw EGM/1UP!!!) and even the best, most experienced devs can make a stinker, you never know until it ships, so we'll have to wait and see.
But the most BS part of her "rumour" surely has to be that Insomniac have some sort of spite towards Guerilla Games and Sony because GG have a bigger budget and Insomniac think their game is better? oh come on, Insomniac games are one of the most classy, humble dev teams around, there's no way they would act like a bunch of butt hurt school children. GG are a first party dev team, Insomniac are independent and are therefore going to make more profit off their game than GG will. Also GGs budget is obviously gonna be bigger than Insomniac's because Insomniac are much more efficient and fast working when it comes to their games. The fact that R2's budget is small is just because they're doing a better job than GG in getting their game finished.
There's a chance it's all true, some things that seem unlikely can in fact turn out to be correct, but I think common sense on a number of things points to some of this being made up, especially the Insomniac part of the rumour. I love Insomniac games and I truly hope it isn't true as they would go down in my estimations, and I don't want that to happen. And before anyone says anything, yes I really do want Killzone 2 to be a AAA title, Im not one of these people who thinks it's going to be god of all FPSs just because it's the best looking game we've seen, but why would anyone want a game to suck? So maybe this is some damage control because i dont want it to be true on many levels, but i think common sense shows that she could easily be wrong, just as she could be right and we'll have to wait see how the game turns out.
KZObsessed
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stotch said:
ahh it was in one of her new posts, ok thank you.
DevilWillcry
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I'm still trying to figure out why people can't see through her BS. How many times has she been wrong already? I mean, most of her rumors just seem like guesses.
DevilWillcry
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Maybe "critics" could have the competence to say some constructive criticism about the game instead of pure BS.Mojovonio said:
Visualante
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Why would that be a rumour? All major SCEE QA is done in Liverpool, it's cheaper that way.FFObsessed said:
I think you make a wrong assumption here, the people who represent Insomniac are very humble. We have no idea where that information came from inside Insomniac and might represent that person alone. I think in general the rivalry between studios is a friendly one, but just like when we found out people at SCEE Liverpool were editing the Halo 3 Wikipedia page there are bad apples out there.FFObsessed said:
DevilWillcry
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Nothing is perfect, and there is plenty of room for improvement. I'd just prefer these critics explain what needs to be improved instead of just saying "lulz".Mindlog said:
