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[VGEsoterica]

I mean it's Nintendo and honestly NOTHING they would do would be a surprise at all but this seems low even from them but Nintendo always seems to get extra bold when they taste success.

Now even used Switch games might end up flagging the servers and indicating your Switch 2 might be up for a ban

 

[Ev1L AuRoN]

I hope they are not that tone deaf, what a horrible precedent to the industry, F Nintendo for leading the charge, this is anti consumer, nor Sony or Microsoft never did anything close to that shit. When they inevitably jailbreak the SW2, I will laugh like I was avenged. lmao

 

[rodrigolfp]

At least he was unbanned.

 

[Magic Carpet]

No such thing as a Used Switch game. Those are meant to go on a shelf for all their friends to see.
Everyone who buys physical games have lots of friends who visit and make comments on what a nice collection.

 

[MSduderino]

Y'all are gullible as shit. I played all of TOTK on a used copy on S2.

 

[Gripsx]

So if a switch 1 game has been dumped and you insert that cart in the switch 2 you may be flagged?

That cant be good once that cart ends up in the used market.

 

[VGEsoterica]

Y'all are gullible as shit. I played all of TOTK on a used copy on S2.

Presumably as was stated dude bought four used games and put them all in his Switch 2 one right after the other.

So if all four of those were dumped games and those keys were known to Nintendo as dumped…bam four instances of "piracy" to their servers

Also it's not just "used games", it's used games that have been dumped who's unique identifier has been used on more than one console, most likely simultaneously as there can't be one cart being played in two places on two consoles at the same time. That's just a dead giveaway one if not both of the copies is pirated

 

[GigaBowser]

piriters

 

[Zacfoldor]

I don't believe this. I'm not calling anyone a liar I'm sure it's happened once by accident or something just because of statistics but it isn't widespread and if it was it is a mistake and Nintendo will make it right.

Stop worrying so much about shit and live your life. Be based. Man up. Winning isn't a sometimes thing.

 

[Decal4]

Yeah the title of this thread had me thinking that Nintendo was somehow banning people for using any used switch carts at all. That would have been far too much of a greedy money grab.

This is smaller and ok with me if true. Banning people who are using dumped/flash carts in multiple places simultaneously, and that happens to catch the original dumped cart, that's ok with me. Don't share your dumped game with others who are not you, and you are fine.

Theoretically we are only using flash carts to backup and play our own owned games is all, not passing that around. Nintendo is now just keeping us extra honest.

Even if I dump my cart to a flash cart backed up to a PC and my original cart gets blended, I still have my clean backup copy of my game I bought for myself on the flash cart.

So I'm ok with this. It makes physical carts into license keys just like windows keys or digital game serials, but better because you can copy the entire cartridge, not just a serial key to give you a permission slip to download a copy of a game from some server they are counting down the days to turn off.

Signed , someone who just had to ask his boss if he could keep one of those servers on a while longer (not for games but same basic idea, the resources were to be downloaded from 'somewhere' and I run the somewhere)...boss said yes. In 5 years? I'm not sure he will says yes again...or if I will be the guy asking.

So dump those physical carts you paid for. But don't share em. Else you risk this...seems fair to me.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

I mean it's Nintendo and honestly NOTHING they would do would be a surprise at all but this seems low even from them but Nintendo always seems to get extra bold when they taste success.

Now even used Switch games might end up flagging the servers and indicating your Switch 2 might be up for a ban

This doesn't make sense. What is a "used" Switch game? It's a cartridge. The cartridge nor the system it's playing on doesn't know if it's ever been inserted into a console before or not….? This makes no sense.

 

[VGEsoterica]

This doesn't make sense. What is a "used" Switch game? It's a cartridge. The cartridge nor the system it's playing on doesn't know if it's ever been inserted into a console before or not….? This makes no sense.

It does know. Every cart has a unique identifier number. When it's placed in a Switch that number along with a bunch of other telemetry is sent to Nintendo

 

[VGEsoterica]

Yeah the title of this thread had me thinking that Nintendo was somehow banning people for using any used switch carts at all. That would have been far too much of a greedy money grab.

This is smaller and ok with me if true. Banning people who are using dumped/flash carts in multiple places simultaneously, and that happens to catch the original dumped cart, that's ok with me. Don't share your dumped game with others who are not you, and you are fine.

Theoretically we are only using flash carts to backup and play our own owned games is all, not passing that around. Nintendo is now just keeping us extra honest.

Even if I dump my cart to a flash cart backed up to a PC and my original cart gets blended, I still have my clean backup copy of my game I bought for myself on the flash cart.

So I'm ok with this. It makes physical carts into license keys just like windows keys or digital game serials, but better because you can copy the entire cartridge, not just a serial key to give you a permission slip to download a copy of a game from some server they are counting down the days to turn off.

Signed , someone who just had to ask his boss if he could keep one of those servers on a while longer (not for games but same basic idea, the resources were to be downloaded from 'somewhere' and I run the somewhere)...boss said yes. In 5 years? I'm not sure he will says yes again...or if I will be the guy asking.

So dump those physical carts you paid for. But don't share em. Else you risk this...seems fair to me.

But what about the person who goes into GameStop or eBay, buys a used game and gets screwed? They are an innocent party and deserve zero repercussion

 

[LordOcidax]

 

[Dev1lXYZ]

Nintendo wants you to buy games under their online store or retail. The used game market doesn't make them money. They have dreamed of this day for decades. What I never dreamed of is that I would never own a Switch 2 and its looking like never right now.

 

[MSduderino]

But what about the person who goes into GameStop or eBay, buys a used game and gets screwed? They are an innocent party and deserve zero repercussion

so you can dump these carts and sell empties on ebay/gamestop? People must already be getting screwed. I don't fully get it. Be careful who you buy from on the used market?

 

[Mr Moose]

I don't want to give them clicks, but I am going to be very sceptical about this.

 

[powder]

Not surprised. Nintendo has cuckolded their customer base so hard it should be studied. The fanaticism of the brand is warranted for all the great IP and games but Nintendo has no respect for its customers. At this rate I'm not buying one of these fucking things at all.

 

[ReBurn]

I haven't opened my copy of Metroid Dread, either. Backlog bros!

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

It does know. Every cart has a unique identifier number. When it's placed in a Switch that number along with a bunch of other telemetry is sent to Nintendo

Interesting. Well whatever it is I'm sure it's not a new policy. Nintendos not likely to make any kind of announcement banning used games. That's not a thing. And doubt it will be a thing anytime soon.

 

[ReyBrujo]

The same could have happened had he placed the game in a Switch 1 unless they didn't want to open that can and limited bans to Switch 2 consoles.

 

[crazyriddler]

The user was unbanned after proving he owned an original copy, so I don't understand the drama. Nintendo is cracking down on pirated cartridges, and it's possible that some of these original cartridges were duplicated and resold.

 

[BlackTron]

This isn't new. You could also get banned on Switch 1 using a copied game. Nintendo has no way to tell whether it is a real game or a Mig Switch with that carts unique ID. Guess what -buy used, you have no idea whether the game has been copied. Most responsible people playing copies of their own carts never distribute the copy so it will never be flagged as one, and let pirates reuse the same dumps circulating the internet without adding more flagged carts.

 

[StereoVsn]

But what about the person who goes into GameStop or eBay, buys a used game and gets screwed? They are an innocent party and deserve zero repercussion

Yep, that here is the issue with Nintendo's draconian policies. They are punishing folks who have no idea they the carts have been dumped.

 

[Topher]

This isn't new. You could also get banned on Switch 1 using a copied game. Nintendo has no way to tell whether it is a real game or a Mig Switch with that carts unique ID. Guess what -buy used, you have no idea whether the game has been copied. Most responsible people playing copies of their own carts never distribute the copy so it will never be flagged as one, and let pirates reuse the same dumps circulating the internet without adding more flagged carts.

If Nintendo has no way to tell then they shouldn't be banning anyone. Period

 

[Mithos]

If Nintendo has no way to tell then they shouldn't be banning anyone. Period

They can tell... if both copies are online at the same time, I guess. Since the original and the MIG copy have the same identifiers.

 

[Kilau]

so you can dump these carts and sell empties on ebay/gamestop? People must already be getting screwed. I don't fully get it. Be careful who you buy from on the used market?

Dumped means a bit for bit copy basically, not that the data was transferred off the card so it's now empty.

 

[El Muerto]

This has been the case since the MIG switch was released. And what makes it worse is if someone uploaded the title keys online, then everyone with a mig switch would use that same key.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

No research before making click bait threads.

 

[VGEsoterica]

I haven't opened my copy of Metroid Dread, either. Backlog bros!

Hah glad I am not the only one

 

[VGEsoterica]

No research before making click bait threads.

Or all the research, tech info and everything else is in the video. But sure just say clickbait. It always makes it true

 

[Pejo]

No research before making click bait threads.

No research before making uneducated posts.

 

[bender]

If Nintendo has no way to tell then they shouldn't be banning anyone. Period

They should ban everyone and then ask for receipts to unban. Problem solved.

 

[//DEVIL//]

But what about the person who goes into GameStop or eBay, buys a used game and gets screwed? They are an innocent party and deserve zero repercussion

if they own the game, just call Nintendo and prove u own the game. done.

yes its not ideal and it sucks. but its what its. its not like its perma banned.

 

[VGEsoterica]

if they own the game, just call Nintendo and prove u own the game. done.

yes its not ideal and it sucks. but its what its. its not like its perma banned.

I dont like any situation where someone has done nothing wrong has to prove they've done nothing wrong. It's like proving a negative

Sure dude had receipts. What happens when someone takes a Switch game out from the library?

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Or all the research, tech info and everything else is in the video. But sure just say clickbait. It always makes it true

No research before making uneducated posts.

 

[Pejo]

The fact that you should have to contact Nintendo for doing literally nothing wrong is a major issue. Imagine if every time you went to pump gas for your car, you had to prove to the police that the car wasn't stolen. It's extreme backwards thinking, and Nintendo should absolutely change this stance.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

The fact that you should have to contact Nintendo for doing literally nothing wrong is a major issue. Imagine if every time you went to pump gas for your car, you had to prove to the police that the car wasn't stolen. It's extreme backwards thinking, and Nintendo should absolutely change this stance.

Absolutely terrible comparison.
This has been a thing but uneducated posters like yourself didn't know this.

 

[Lokaum D+]

The fact that you should have to contact Nintendo for doing literally nothing wrong is a major issue. Imagine if every time you went to pump gas for your car, you had to prove to the police that the car wasn't stolen. It's extreme backwards thinking, and Nintendo should absolutely change this stance.

you just bought a used game, do you know how much Nintendo gets when you buy used game ??? ZERO dollars, this is a criminal sin for Nintendo.

 

[Pejo]

Absolutely terrible comparison.
This has been a thing but uneducated posters like yourself didn't know this.

Ok so give me a better comparison that makes this look favorable like it's a good thing.

 

[Kataploom]

There's more to this, we're taking about the company that just released a cartridge for a digital game that can be shared or sold and suggest "doing proper backup before selling the console".

Here's what is happening afaik:

1. People bought pirate games passed as OG in second hand market without knowing, like someone dumped the ROM and put it in another cart that looks exactly like an OG copy

2. Or... the ROM was dumped and uploaded to internet for piracy, then the person that dumped the game sold it in the second hand market

Nintendo blacklists the ROM IDs used for piracy, so when the innocent soul got the game and put it in the console, the anti piracy system flagged the account as a pirate.

There are people suggesting not buying second hand anything for Switch 2 because of this.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Makes me sick seeing people defaulting to defending the corporation without giving the users that are reporting the issue the slighest of credibility.

 

[Dalbajobas]

Peak Nintendoo !

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Ok so give me a better comparison that makes this look favorable like it's a good thing.

Don't know anything like this...it is unique as is Nintendo's physical cartridges/id.
What do you expect them to do?
Bad guys don't reverse actions that took place towards innocent consumers.

 

[Pejo]

Don't know anything like this...it is unique as is Nintendo's physical cartridges/id.
What do you expect them to do?
Bad guys don't reverse actions that took place towards innocent consumers.

Not ban consoles without proving wrongdoing. This is a "guilty until proven innocent" method currently, and that shouldn't be the case.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Not ban consoles without proving wrongdoing. This is a "guilty until proven innocent" method currently, and that shouldn't be the case.

It's a protective measure that if innocent gets resolved.

 

[Pejo]

It's a protective measure that if innocent gets resolved.

That doesn't change the fact that they're treating their customers as guilty until proven innocent. Why are you supporting anti-consumer pro-corporation practices so hard?

 

[TintoConCasera]

It's a protective measure that if innocent gets resolved.

Just imagine it happens to you. Would you still defend this?

 

[Kataploom]

Makes me sick seeing people defaulting to defending the corporation without giving the users that are reporting the issue the slighest of credibility.

But people are literally believing the user, they're just explaining what may be happening lol.

Also we already got a similar use about being banned from Nintendo Online who happened to be using MIG in the end lol.

 

[Scrawnton]

The fact that you should have to contact Nintendo for doing literally nothing wrong is a major issue. Imagine if every time you went to pump gas for your car, you had to prove to the police that the car wasn't stolen. It's extreme backwards thinking, and Nintendo should absolutely change this stance.

For what it's worth, if you drive unknowingly extremely close to a crime scene, cops could detain and ask questions. So there are analogs in the real world for catching strays despite doing nothing wrong or intentional.