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[Gaiff]

Oh man, this is atrocious

It's crazy, im running an ultrawide VA monitor with 15ms response time and the ghosting is quite noticeable already, it's something i will take a look at when i change my display for sure.

Now, 33ms is something else

In general, Tim says it's okay for a handheld display. The big problem is really the slower response time, but in general, it's better than the Switch 1 display.

But yeah, Nintendo will sell us an OLED in a few years at a premium.

Also, the "HDR" sucks.

 

[Same ol G]

It's crazy, im running an ultrawide VA monitor with 15ms response time and the ghosting is quite noticeable already, it's something i will take a look at when i change my display for sure.

Now, 33ms is something else

In the OP response time was 17 ms, this is double, were are these numbers coming from?

 

[Robb]

 

[SweetTooth]

In general, Tim says it's okay for a handheld display. The big problem is really the slower response time, but in general, it's better than the Switch 1 display.

But yeah, Nintendo will sell us an OLED in a few years at a premium.

Also, the "HDR" sucks.

Dat HDR score!!

 

[CloudShiner]

Loving the cope over at Nintendo life, where it appears not a single negative comment can avoid mobilisation. The cope seems to be twofold: 1) Can't see any difference, guv. and 2) DF have been paid.

I've seen a few commenter agree with DF and/or make even slight constructive criticism re the screen, and they last a few minutes before it gets deleted and the poster gets banned. Heading the way of era over there. When people get THAT sensitive over criticism, you know it's because they know it's based in fact, and their tiny brains are unable to accept.

One loon bizarrely claimed they were PLEASED because they liked the 'automatic motion blur effect' it gave when playing their games. Jesus Christ, no wonder Nintendo don't give a fuck about what they put in their consoles when you have an army of apologists like that.

 

[crackajack]

ever since everything moved to flat screens the evolution of display tech and software is just janky.
Uncharted 1 is probably the first game where i thought it looks like trash in every movement, on a 2ms (GTG) panel, which was among the best one can get, thanks to motion blur. Somehow Starwing or Goldeneye despite an atrocious framerate never looked as bad. Stutterlike seems to bother me less than a blurry picture. On PS4 every 30fps game looks bad on an LG OLED, kinda worse than every PS3 game which was as default blurry, because it always would be sharp in still images and blurry in movement, as though someone tinkers with an on off switch all the time. Especially obvious in credits that are black and white text and you can't read a single name. Thank god PS5 games mostly are 60fps and finally getting more out of the LG Panel.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Looks like you S2 gamers got burned with a bad screen. Should had just waited for tests.

Never count out Nintendo using the cheapest specs from eons ago.

 

[Gaiff]

Dat HDR score!!

It's actually the contrast ratio, which is very low, and certainly much lower than what you'd want for HDR. By contrast (no pun intended), OLEDs have an effectively infinite contrast ratio because they can completely turn off pixels, making parts of the display completely black. In non-OLED, you generally want 10000:1 for "true HDR". Some say 5000:1, but that's too low in my opinion.

 

[Fafalada]

That's true and the only place i see people complaining about the price is this forum.
I do realise the people and parents i speak to is also anecdotal but nobody talks about the price.

I mean yea - we live in an era where higher pricing has been normalised for at least 5 years now.
But either way I wouldn't expect impact to materialise proper until at least 6 months in. It took about that long for X1 sales to collapse (and somewhat similar for PS3), the current adopters are clearly happy with the price as is, and the speed it's selling suggests it may be a non issue.
I suppose some arguments are just that 'given the price' hw could be better but

What i was talking about is that nobody had issues at the events and they were even complimented about the display while not being an oled still having great visuals.

IME what people say at events is wholly unrepresentative of product realities. Not to keep knocking down the poor thing - but PSP events were the same - most loved the screen and noone peeped about refresh issues until it was actually sold at retail.
Or let me ask this another way - how many people you remember mentioning PS2 jaggies at the big events before the street date? And no - there was no 'fake hardware' conspiracies there (everything, even that FF7 demo was on real (underclocked) PS2 hw) - people just chose to see what they wanted to see.
Heck, I've personally witnessed some other launches (PSVR comes to mind in particular) where I had people try to convince me how software looked better at the event despite the launch version being upgraded in every conceivable way (not talking minor tweaks - but things like 2x resolution, increased details, 30% higher framerate and more).

Objectivity isn't a thing that has much presence on trade-shows, people get caught in the hype, especially those working in the industry - I've fallen for that myself a time or two too.

i also said i don't see/experience the issues people are having, call me an apologist but why should i pick up the pitchfork if i don't have any issues?

I think most people agree that's fine - I don't see anyone criticising people's enjoyment of the device in these threads.
But I do see quite a bit of

reactions to the factual parts of the reviews.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Im gonna fire up my day 1 switch and check it out for the lols.

 

[GoldenEye98]

$550 OLED model incoming.

 

[Doctor Hades]

The more I read about the Switch 2's slow LCD response times the more I am convinced that this is an intentional choice by Nintendo.

Why?

Well because the Switch 2 is using a 1080p LCD screen running a hybrid 8/10nm Samsung fabricated APU that isn't the most power efficient so with the slim design of the handheld Nintendo have had to cut corners to maintain a reasonable battery life for the unit which is already disappointing at around 2 to 2.5 hours for the average triple A game. I would not be surprised if Nintendo are underdriving the LCD panel to preserve additional battery life for the games. This is also undoubtedly why the LCD is disappointing for HDR as increased brightness would require more power so it is capped at 400-450 nits.

Likely, Nintendo think that their core audience of younger gamers will likely not pick up or be bothered about this issue and, you know what, they are probably right.

Doesn't bother me as I will use and have been using my Switch 2 entirely docked since the initial setup in handheld mode which took around 20 minutes. I thought the screen looked okay but it was a clear downgrade from my Switch OLED, which I noticed straight away as I had both screens next to each other during the data transfer step.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

$550 OLED model incoming.

S2s are selling like crack to a junkie that hasn't had a fix in 2 days, they will let the sales slow before bringing out the OLED

 

[GoldenEye98]

S2s are selling like crack to a junkie that hasn't had a fix in 2 days, they will let the sales slow before bringing out the OLED

It's probably not going to be for a couple of years.

That being said the Taki Udon guy who sells the OLED panels for the Switch Lite and Switch OG has the opportunity to do the funniest and most lucrative thing....

 

[boo]

Would you rather NeoGAF stick their head in the sand and pretend this stuff isn't real?

Not at all, it is a forum after all.

Sorry for enjoying playing games on my "inferior" Nintendo hardware I guess?

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Meh,

Wouldn't be noticeable on that tiny screen.

Also joycon quality (Switch 1 that I have) is poor enough, hard to make out start and stop of motion.

If this was a big screen with good quality gaming mouse that responds on a dime, or a good controller, would have been somewhat of an issue.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Not at all, it is a forum after all.

Sorry for enjoying playing games on my "inferior" Nintendo hardware I guess?

I don't think anyone here is telling you how to enjoy your games (well maybe a tiny vocal group always does) but this is just showing people the problem that exists

I still own a Samsung Odyssey G7 (maybe G8 its too old for me to remember) VA monitor that people here were telling me it's a blurry slow mess which didn't really bother me honestly

 

[Trilobit]

How in the whole wide world can it be worse than Switch 1?! That's honestly embarrassing and I'm not a sony or ms fanboy. The bar was incredibly low and yet they managed to worm their way under it.

 

[Horseganador]

It seems that Nintendo has been more stingy than usual with the LCD panel that the Switch 2 has; in a few years they will release the "good" model.

 

[Hashassin]

 

[Lokaum D+]

this should cost U$ 350, U$450 for this is pure Nintendo greed as always,

 

[Topher]

Not at all, it is a forum after all.

Sorry for enjoying playing games on my "inferior" Nintendo hardware I guess?

Who asked you to apologize for anything? I'm enjoying playing on my Switch 2 as well. If this thread bothers you then there is an "ignore thread" button at the top.

 

[GoldenEye98]

I don't think anyone here is telling you how to enjoy your games (well maybe a tiny vocal group always does) but this is just showing people the problem that exists

I still own a Samsung Odyssey G7 (maybe G8 its too old for me to remember) VA monitor that people here were telling me it's a blurry slow mess which didn't really bother me honestly

Weird...I have been looking into monitors recently and people say the VA panels in the Odyssey monitors are the best...

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Weird...I have been looking into monitors recently and people say the VA panels in the Odyssey monitors are the best...

They are fantastic and in all honesty its still a great monitor, its just SOME here think they know everything

 

[REDRZA MWS]

It is easier to digest when the consoles they made were cheaper. Let's not joke about when the price was announced a lot of these features were thrown out to justify it… now, well they do not matter and people should know better …

That's what I said, people, especially since they've made it crystal clear since GameCube, they aren't competing or even trying with hardware. Nintendo makes AWESOME games, always have, and that's why they set those prices. If you thought you were getting anything other than what it is. That's on you. I stopped supporting Nintendo when Wii came out. Literally a repacked GameCube with FORCED bs waggle sticks.

 

[Gripsx]

I can see Nintendo release an overdrive update but that would kill the battery time

 

[solidus12]

I mean, are you surprised? It's not just Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft make everything as cheap as possible too.

Portal screen is great for the price.

 

[Same ol G]

I mean yea - we live in an era where higher pricing has been normalised for at least 5 years now.
But either way I wouldn't expect impact to materialise proper until at least 6 months in. It took about that long for X1 sales to collapse (and somewhat similar for PS3), the current adopters are clearly happy with the price as is, and the speed it's selling suggests it may be a non issue.
I suppose some arguments are just that 'given the price' hw could be better but

This is true, people will always say that for the price the hardware could be better.
Personally i believe the hardware maker should make profit on the hardware, the PS360 era were every console was sold at a loss was not a sustainable business practice.
I know people disagree with this because the logical result is lesser hardware but seeing how Sony almost went bankrupt because of PS3 i would rather see them sell with some profit then have them make state of the art hardware and see them bow out of the gaming industry next gen

IME what people say at events is wholly unrepresentative of product realities. Not to keep knocking down the poor thing - but PSP events were the same - most loved the screen and noone peeped about refresh issues until it was actually sold at retail.
Or let me ask this another way - how many people you remember mentioning PS2 jaggies at the big events before the street date? And no - there was no 'fake hardware' conspiracies there (everything, even that FF7 demo was on real (underclocked) PS2 hw) - people just chose to see what they wanted to see.
Heck, I've personally witnessed some other launches (PSVR comes to mind in particular) where I had people try to convince me how software looked better at the event despite the launch version being upgraded in every conceivable way (not talking minor tweaks - but things like 2x resolution, increased details, 30% higher framerate and more).

Objectivity isn't a thing that has much presence on trade-shows, people get caught in the hype, especially those working in the industry - I've fallen for that myself a time or two too.

I understand what you mean and you're probably right that pre launch hype is giving people rose tinted glasses

I think most people agree that's fine - I don't see anyone criticising people's enjoyment of the device in these threads.
But I do see quite a bit of

reactions to the factual parts of the reviews.

Yes, i'm also asking questions but i'm interested how some of these tests are done or how they come to certain conclusions.
I definitely won't say they are lying, only when i notice a person has a certain agenda i would point it out.

 

[solidus12]

I wonder how the PS vita (oled and lcd) compares to the switch 2 screen lol

 

[Gambit2483]

I'm so happy i don't see this.
I would feel really sad to complain about this in every thread.
I also still enjoy 30fps games and 8/16 bit games, so maybe i'm just lucky

The only people complaining most likely don't even have the system. The screens quality was/is non issue until DFs video.

This is little more than concern trolling going on.

 

[LuckyLuke]

I can see Nintendo release an overdrive update but that would kill the battery time

I'm not an expert, but they could add a limited overdrive with slightly reduced energy consumption—not too much compared to an extreme overdrive.

 

[Throttle]

[/QUOTE]
Text fringing on a LCD?

 

[Topher]

The only people complaining most likely don't even have the system. The screens quality was/is non issue until DFs video.

This is little more than concern trolling going on.

It has been stated plenty of times that this isn't an issue for all games. DF highlighted side scrollers. So it is a non-issue until it is. Good to be aware of it either way. As I said before, if I do come across this then I'll know it is normal behavior and not a screen going bad.

I can see Nintendo release an overdrive update but that would kill the battery time

Is that something that can be done with an update?

 

[hinch7]

I don't think anyone here is telling you how to enjoy your games (well maybe a tiny vocal group always does) but this is just showing people the problem that exists

I still own a Samsung Odyssey G7 (maybe G8 its too old for me to remember) VA monitor that people here were telling me it's a blurry slow mess which didn't really bother me honestly

I still have mine. Its a brilliant monitor and daresay one of the best LCD gaming monitors released. The curve is a little excessive but man is it immersive to play on. Really fast panel and smooth too especially with BFI enabled.

The contrast too is mighty impressive, and I upgraded to the G8 OLED. Shame Samsung dropped out of the LCD manufacturing.

 

[LuckyLuke]

I'm not an expert, but they could add a limited overdrive with slightly reduced energy consumption—not too much compared to an extreme overdrive.

*Slightly increased

 

[TintoConCasera]

Never buy hardware day 1.

 

[Topher]

Never buy hardware day 1.

 

[JPSLotus97T]

Well it seems from reading the only fix short of going to OLED displays is the overdrive, but as previous posters mentioned, battery life will take a hit. I'd still take the overdrive option regardless at the expense of battery life. I had a Game Gear and Lynx back in the day, and those were probably the worst handhelds for battery life I've ever seen. Game Gear more than any other. I remember just playing it with the AC adapter plugged in because there was no way you were getting decent battery life out of it. That was over 30 years ago, so of course expectations have changed significantly for handheld devices in gaming. I was trying to figure out before launch where Nintendo was cutting corners, the LCD display was it. At least if they want to, they can fix the VRR in docked mode. Display problems aren't going to go away. Pity as I do think they did a pretty decent job with the console this time around compared to their past couple of efforts.

 

[cyberheater]

LOL at the people defending this. Can't believe no hardware engineer at Nintendo didn't point this out.

 

[Fake]

LOL at the people defending this. Can't believe no hardware engineer at Nintendo didn't point this out.

I guess did, but Nintendo don't give a fuck. They want to go as cheap as they can.

Thats the ingredient for Nintendo sucess. Cheap production cost, max price sale.

 

[Topher]

LOL at the people defending this. Can't believe no hardware engineer at Nintendo didn't point this out.

I'm certain this was conscious decision between quality, price and profit margin. Probably a combination of all three. Either way, there is no way Nintendo wasn't aware.

 

[Wishmaster92]

That's actually disgusting. Thankfully I only play in docked mode

 

[jshackles]

Eh. It's functional, and my eyes are too old to really tell. Sucks that it sucks as much as it does, but it is what it is.

Given the price of the device, they really shouldn't have cheaped out on it.

 

[Topher]

Eh. It's functional, and my eyes are too old to really tell. Sucks that it sucks as much as it does, but it what it is.

Given the price of the device, they really shouldn't have cheaped out on it.

Only real concern I have is what someone else pointed out: is this a lottery screen situation where some got good screens while others go bad ones like PS5 fans? Hopefully not. Also, could Nintendo update the screen in a new model revision. That would suck as early adopter models would diminish in value greatly.

 

[Same ol G]

The only people complaining most likely don't even have the system. The screens quality was/is non issue until DFs video.

This is little more than concern trolling going on.

I think this is the case for most people, it's just piling on the hate for something they don't like
There are definitely people who are suspectible to these things so when someone says they have issues with the system i tend to believe them, why buy something you hate just to complain about it.

 

[Madserb2023]

I bought the Switch 2 and I play it docked but I am not happy about the screen. The whole thing fascinates me. I noticed the blur immediately and going by objective measurements its one of the worst response times that has ever been recorded on a modern LCD. The fact that some people can't see it is interesting in itself. However for those who don't see it. One; I am jealous but two; its like ordering a steak and getting horse meat. i am sure some people wouldn't know the difference but it's still not good. Its not a cheap console and that screen is Ali Express level in response times. Probably cost them nothing.

 

[Gripsx]

Is that something that can be done with an update?

Yes, its a on/off thing

What Is Overdrive On A Monitor And How Do You Turn It On And Off?

Response time overdrive allows you to push the monitor’s response time speed in order to reduce the trailing/ghosting of fast-moving objects.

www.displayninja.com

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Nice defense of the Billion dollar corporation. Motorola edge 50 neo, which costs 250$ has a 6.4" LTPO OLED screen (res>1080p, framerate can be varied freely between 1Hz and 120 Hz). The Motrola device will be lucky to sell more than 5 million and the screen size is not used by any other manufacturer.
The size and resolution are arbitrary, since OLEDs are printed roll to roll. Considering the amount of Switch 2's that Nintendo will end up selling making a stencil for the size and resolution they desire would cost peanuts.

So you didn't read or don't understand what I said?

 

[Alexios]

Weird John/DF didn't notice any of it when vocally praising the screen for being very good despite not being OLED in past Switch 2 videos. Edit: Idk why folks are replying to me showing where they state the flaws, that's the whole point of my post, that they said something way different before

 

[Bojji]

Weird John didn't notice this when praising the screen for being very good despite not being OLED in past Switch 2 videos.

He was talking about that ghosting the same day that S2 launched I think.