S0ULZB0URNE
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News good,bad or fake is news.
Constructive criticism is ok as well.
Switch 2 Display Tested. Afterimage is due to "incredibly slow" response time
- Thread starter Topher
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Constructive criticism is ok as well.
splattered
Member
Man fuck this stupid thing, i'm def not buying one until there is a screen refresh as others have said.
Oh well.
Oh well.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
They did. They know what they're doing. The increase in profit is more valuable than the quality of life decrease. Then they'll sell you the OLED version in two years.
Topher
Identifies as young
Hmm, not sure what the timing of this in relation to the comments you are talking about, but he was pointing out the motion clarity issues right after launch
It
I don't think anyone is telling you to enjoy the screen (well maybe a tiny group of wise folks,) but it's way more alarmist than anything. IT's way more trying to create a problem where none exists.
It's 99% nonsense.
I don't think anyone is telling you to enjoy the screen (well maybe a tiny group of wise folks,) but it's way more alarmist than anything. IT's way more trying to create a problem where none exists.
It's 99% nonsense.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I learned that with GBA SP. Not that I didn't love my standard GBA, but it taught me that there'll be an updated model around the corner. And my waiting was rewarded with the DS Lite which I still own and look at with admiring eyes. I also waited with my Switch and got the Mariko model with better battery time. Hopefully the updated model this time around comes with an OLED screen too.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Very specific set of games its seems and who knows maybe fixed in an update down the road
Nothing to freak out over imo
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
To be honest I did with both Switch 1 and 2, and I'm yet to be disappointed. But I agree with the general idea.
fallingdove
Member
It might have been a little more expensive but not $450 expensive. Sony doesn't focus on a blue ocean strategy with their gaming devices and typically sells their hardware for a small loss. So maybe it would have sold for $300 - $350?
Nintendo is already making upwards of $100 per device sold. Which makes you wonder why they didn't spend a few more dollars to address stick drift or the screen quality, or gosh, include a 35 cent tempered glass screen protector.
These are the sorts of things that add to the anti-consumer pile on where anti-fan behavior, aggressive legal authority, and maximum profitability at any cost take the strategic lead.
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Hyet
Member
I'm sure these problems exist and can be measured and documented, but even when being aware of them and looking for them I am not experiencing them. There's no part in using my Switch 2 and looking at the screen when I see the ghosting, feel the latency or think in any way shape or form that the screen is worse than my original Swich. Never had an OLED model, but I don't think I would feel any different about the whosting or latency. For some reason I am unable to register these issues during play 
I'm sure everything is well documented and I cant be instantly explained as wrong or unperceptive, but... dunno I guess I'm ok with being wrong on this one.
I'm sure everything is well documented and I cant be instantly explained as wrong or unperceptive, but... dunno I guess I'm ok with being wrong on this one.
Kataploom
Gold Member
Nah, people is just happy with the screen, these test only tell the story behind technical specifics but in general the screen has received praise from gamers since the Nintendo Experience events.
IMO, if consumers are happy, then it's ok. I played portable a little I never saw something wrong, it probably is because I only play 60 fps games and above tho, which is the bare minimum people should expect from games anyway.
The complainers are just too use to notice any minimal issue in their tech because they are used to look for it, just like there's people complaining about OLED or MiniLED whatever and for me those TVs are just good and that's it for me and 99.99999% of people out there.
Kerotan
Member
The plan is for every Nintendo fan to graduate long before their eyes age.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Hyet
Member
That's the thing. We went from people at the events saying "it's not OLED but it's not a big deal, looks great" and people being happy with it at home to "DF said the display is bad, so it invalidates the purpose of buying one right now". I simply don't see any issues or feel any latency.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
None here either or in any circles talking about Nintendo I been.
Not denying it but also am thinking different manufacturers could be a thing?
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Topher
Identifies as young
What are you talking about?
ShadyAcshuns
Gold Member
Early adopters always get hosed. More news at eleven.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
DF person saying the switch2 is a psp equivalent. Non tech people aren't going to know its 120mhz screen test and not the performance of the machine.
keefged4
Member
He's not meaning the technical specifications of the SW2's screen is the same as the PSP, he's saying the ghosting because of the awful response time is similar. Because it is. He specifically starts the tweet with "The Motion Clarity". It's not misleading.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
It looks good @120hz for a LCD.
Maybe that's what he's referring to?
Kataploom
Gold Member
They probably realized it on development, they probably made tests with actual people using different screens and also realized barely anyone would give an F
Topher
Identifies as young
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
Be realistic.
Its Nintendo, they simply choose cheapest s**t then put it in their HW. End of story
Thank you for your kind words.
yamaci17
Member
response time is not a fixed thing
there is possibility that it might be way better at 120hz. for example my monitor has incredible response times at 144hz but at 60hz it is way worse than regular 60hz screens
not saying it would be the case here but it has to be tested. if that is the case, then this whole thing becomes irrelevant as 30 fps games can easily be made to run in a 120hz container. it would reduce overall battery time but at least there would be an improved option for those who want it
part of me think that this incident happened because it is a 120hz native screen and it probably doesn't like 60hz like my monitor. just a guess
Zacfoldor
Member
I don't really play my switch in handheld and haven't been able to score one yet, but this isn't really a factor to me. Sure I wish I could upgrade to OLED but I'm not that worried about it. I never play handheld anyway. I like the handheld feature as a backup UPS and also grinding while taking a shit but those things don't really benefit much from a better screen.
hinch7
Member
30fps motion clarity going by 33ms. That's why I find it strange that people can't see motion blur. That's venturing in the smeary VA panels of old.
That would drive me insane. I remember getting a Samsung TV for our bedroom and swiftly returned it as it gave me a eye strain after a while. They'd probably be better off finding an similarly sized 60hz OLED. I mean surely there has to be a lot of suppliers out there from OEMs that deal with tablet screens.. and forget 120hz and fake HDR.
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ThatOneGrunt
Member
Seriously. I think it looks amazing. Colors are vibrant. Everything looks sharp. Can't help but get false flag vibes from people complaining about it, because I don't see any of the issues people are trying to create controversy over.It looks fine to me
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Just so you know the upcoming ROG Ally Xbox is using a very similar screen.
nnytk
Member
Wow, that's insane. Less than 20% of Switch users played primarily docked? Just found a source online, that's freakin' wild. I thought I was part of the norm, hahaha. Guess not.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...-undocked-play-time-for-switch-is-about-even/
SweetTooth
Gold Member
So Asus is cheapening out as well. Although I very much doubt they would put the same trash screen.
TIGERCOOL
Member
was thinking it might be a panel lottery situation because I haven't noticed anything. I'm pretty sensitive to motion clarity in general, had to sell an otherwise solid VA monitor a few years ago because the response time bothered me
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
I don't know who manufacturers each screen.
Asus is one of the biggest cheapening out/defective product brands around.
Baemono
Member
Eh Switch 1 screen was nice back then, far superior to the 3DS one or Wii U one
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Far more people use the system portably than only as a home console, it's like a 60/40 split. Hence the release of a lite. I think it's unlikely we'll see a home console SKU for any reason
Ceadeus
Member
I totally agree with you
Madserb2023
Member
It may as well not be with a 33.3ms response time. You won't get the clarity of 120fps. You will get the clarity of 30fps. Its up there with having HDR while not able to produce HDR. They aren't spreading anything.
Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
Someone on reddit posted some 1000fps camera footage, and it really showcases the motion blur.
It's roughly the same as the Switch 1; just a tad worse in terms of image retention. Not great, either way.
Subjectively, it's not as bad as a lot of people are claiming, but it still is pretty bad. It's gonna look worse in 2D games than 3D games for sure.
It's roughly the same as the Switch 1; just a tad worse in terms of image retention. Not great, either way.
Subjectively, it's not as bad as a lot of people are claiming, but it still is pretty bad. It's gonna look worse in 2D games than 3D games for sure.
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Yes, nearly ten years ago. It's supposed to be superior to its forefathers. The question is what went wrong this time with the Switch 2 display.
Throttle
Member
They could sell a micro console for 250, TV only. But it's Nintendo.
cyberheater
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I was wondering about that. Not much point of having a 120hz refresh rate if the display is that slow.
Throttle
Member
They could implement overdrive like PC monitors for a small improvement.
To make a real difference they could implement a mode to run 60fps games with black frame insertion at 120hz, sacrificing some brightness.
Kataploom
Gold Member
I'm really tired of this "argument".
No company do that realistically, they do tests and then make a choice balancing out cost + convenience + quality.
Nintendo is not different, that you and many other haters do the bare minimum in your jobs doesn't make devs "lazy", they'd be fired if that was the case.