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Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together |OT|: Fat Bottomed Girls

Boney

Banned
duckroll said:
The best way is to have 1-2 dragoons for fights with dragons if you want to take them on and finish them off fast. The dragonslayer skill gives a huge racial bonus that will result in about 100+ damage to a dragon unit even early in the game. The other way to kill dragons is to just have high level characters and updated equipment, and slowly grind them down with 10-20 damage attacks.
Sweet jesus at the dragons then. Gonna get me some, I was acting racist against non humans.
 

duckroll

Member
Yeah, dragoons are dragon knights who kill dragons. You can't recruit dragons, you need to tame them with a beast tamer. Dragons would also help against dragons, but it's not a path I explored much.
 

Yaweee

Member
duckroll said:
Yeah, dragoons are dragon knights who kill dragons. You can't recruit dragons, you need to tame them with a beast tamer. Dragons would also help against dragons, but it's not a path I explored much.

I have, and it is quite good. Both Boulder Toss at range and Tail Lash for 50TP are quite useful.
 
Yaweee said:
I have, and it is quite good. Both Boulder Toss at range and Tail Lash for 50TP are quite useful.

I wouldn't mind having a few. When do you get access to Beast Tamers? Are they one of the classes you can stumble upon in the Wildwoods?
 

Yaweee

Member
The_Darkest_Red said:
I wouldn't mind having a few. When do you get access to Beast Tamers? Are they one of the classes you can stumble upon in the Wildwoods?

They're all over, and, yes, they are in the Wildwoods. You can actually get some of their marks in Chapter 1.
 

duckroll

Member
The_Darkest_Red said:
I wouldn't mind having a few. When do you get access to Beast Tamers? Are they one of the classes you can stumble upon in the Wildwoods?

The first map on the Wildwoods almost always has one.
 
Yaweee said:
They're all over, and, yes, they are in the Wildwoods. You can actually get some of their marks in Chapter 1.

Oh wow, I must have completely missed that. I haven't really been looking out for new classes to recruit though. For some reason I have this idea that the game will just "introduce" all of these classes to me arbitrarily at some point. Obviously I need to be more active about recruiting.
 
Just maxed out Denam's stats and the jump is pretty massive for defense. Without wearing any equipment and have fortify 4 on a level 50 archer my Denam have about 800 defense.

I don't want to test it out yet got to max out the others.
 
duckroll said:
I don't see why it's a bad thing though.

Because
I wanted to use her in my party!
:p

I'm not saying it's badly designed or anything, I just was assuming one thing from the way the story was playing out, and I thought it was kind of weird once I looked it up that
the only way to get her in your party is to do the thing that she disagrees with
.
 

duckroll

Member
charlequin said:
Because
I wanted to use her in my party!
:p

I'm not saying it's badly designed or anything, I just was assuming one thing from the way the story was playing out, and I thought it was kind of weird once I looked it up that
the only way to get her in your party is to do the thing that she disagrees with
.

It makes sense if you think of it as
you disagreeing with her is better than Vyce disagreeing with her. Since someone is going to disagree with her regardless of what happens.
:D
 

Masaki_

Member
Some thoughts on the Law Path after the end of Chapter 3.

I don't like it. I don't think the game properly acknowledges the seriousness of Denam's crime. It seems the massacre had no long term consequences to the plot. Even Ravness doesn't seem to be bothered by it anymore (Denam calls it "our past differences), wow, just wow). To make things even worse for me, some of the coolest characters can only be recruited on Law and that's also the issue with the DLC.

Overall, Law sucks.
 
Ugh, the ally AI really is the giant turd on top of an otherwise delicious cake. A far, far bigger fuckup than the lack of an outfitter. Chp2. Xeod Moors
Arycelle actually had a chance to get away and towards safety, she took her shot, then just stood there, didn't attempt to put any distance between herself and the main body of the enemy army. She was actually doing alright for health and could easily have survived but instead she decides to let them catch up before charging straight at the main boss and a golem.
 

Peff

Member
Die Squirrel Die said:
Ugh, the ally AI really is the giant turd on top of an otherwise delicious cake. A far, far bigger fuckup than the lack of an outfitter. Chp2. Xeod Moors
Arycelle actually had a chance to get away and towards safety, she took her shot, then just stood there, didn't attempt to put any distance between herself and the main body of the enemy army. She was actually doing alright for health and could easily have survived but instead she decides to let them catch up before charging straight at the main boss and a golem.

Haha, yeah, it's really annoying when that happens, or when allies do their finishing move on an enemy so far away he couldn't join the struggle in time anyways instead of the leader. For that one
if you use the horn you can get stormy weather, which means that everyone but Canopus will have a hard time moving around. This means that your units will also take a bit longer to regroup in the middle, but it should give you ample time to escort Arycelle to safety

Also, for a couple of battles later in Tynemouth
remember to unequip her Great Bow, which will make her get away from enemy units instead
.
 
5th attempt started so well. Got Canopus up to her without her losing any HP. Then she acted like a stupid cunt again. Ah well, maybe 6th time will be a charm. Makes me want to punch the AI director.
 
Die Squirrel Die said:
5th attempt started so well. Got Canopus up to her without her losing any HP. Then she acted like a stupid cunt again. Ah well, maybe 6th time will be a charm. Makes me want to punch the AI director.

Like Peff said, the key is using the horn to create bad weather. I was having trouble on that mission as well but found the horn solution to be perfect. Just buy 2 or 3 of them and use them whenever the weather turns for the better until you're comfortable with where your units are.
 

duckroll

Member
Die Squirrel Die said:
5th attempt started so well. Got Canopus up to her without her losing any HP. Then she acted like a stupid cunt again. Ah well, maybe 6th time will be a charm. Makes me want to punch the AI director.

You probably want to punch Takeshi Tomioka. He's the AI designer in TO PSP, and he was a planner on The Last Remnant.
 

Yaweee

Member
Augemitbutter said:
chapter 4
hanging gardens opened up now. will the game end when i go up there?

Once you enter, you're stuck in there until you beat the game and move on to the bonus post-game chapter. That place is really goddamn tedious.


kiryogi said:
Heh like it or not, if you want some of the best chars in the game, you gotta go Lawful.

Both of the womens being discussed are really damn difficult to get on your first try without using a guide due to the level of their missions, time sensitivity, or arbitrary character requirements during specific battles.

Vyce
, on the other hand, is a freebie and a damn good one at that.
 

kiryogi

Banned
Ellis Kim said:
Sooo... I just finished Chapter 1...

What the fuck.
I wanted to recruit Ravness! What the fuck. Why do I have to perform an atrocity in order to get the chance to recruit her? Isn't she supposed to be a new character made for this PSP release?

I know that you get to explore all time lines post-completion and all, but I just really want to get as many badass female guest/recruits as I can, while following a morally sound path at the same time :( Is that simply impossible?

Grrrrrr....

Heh like it or not, if you want some of the best chars in the game, you gotta go Lawful.
 
kiryogi said:
Ravness and Ozma FTW!!!!

Heeeell yeah.

I am kinda mad
that Arcyelle joins with not even a small cutscene, though. They should have you save her with Donnalto on your way back to Almorica.
 
Fimbulvetr said:
U mad cause we got all the hot chicks?

I wanted to go Law so badly after keeping up with this thread for so long but I just couldn't make myself do it.
It was especially hard because I knew I was screwing myself out of some awesome characters. Now I am forever haunted by the death of Ravness :(
 
Yaweee said:
Once you enter, you're stuck in there until you beat the game and move on to the bonus post-game chapter. That place is really goddamn tedious.

oh shit, that's what i've feared. guess i stock up on items before i head in there and finish the optional stuff first.
 

kiryogi

Banned
The_Darkest_Red said:
I wanted to go Law so badly after keeping up with this thread for so long but I just couldn't make myself do it.
It was especially hard because I knew I was screwing myself out of some awesome characters. Now I am forever haunted by the death of Ravness :(

Well with Ravness
not choosing her means you can get Cistina instead. Which in lawful, something just as tragic happens. So no matter what path you choose, some dame will end up dead.
 

Jerk

Banned
duckroll said:
You probably want to punch Takeshi Tomioka. He's the AI designer in TO PSP, and he was a planner on The Last Remnant.

Punching him is the least of the things I want to do this this dude.
 

Yaweee

Member
kiryogi said:
Well with Ravness
not choosing her means you can get Cistina instead. Which in lawful, something just as tragic happens. So no matter what path you choose, some dame will end up dead.

Law is easily the worst path for the 4 hottie sisters on the cover. So, there's always that.

Especially on of their secret bad endings in the Warren Report =(


Augemitbutter said:
oh shit, that's what i've feared. guess i stock up on items before i head in there and finish the optional stuff first.

What optional stuff? By the time you can enter the last dungeon, most of the Chapter 4 sidequests are turned off for no goddamned reason.

Or at least that's what I hear. Not sure if you can even do the Temples at that point.
 
kiryogi said:
Well with Ravness
not choosing her means you can get Cistina instead. Which in lawful, something just as tragic happens. So no matter what path you choose, some dame will end up dead.

Awesome, I didn't know that.
Sounds like a catch 22 if keeping girls alive is your thing.
 

7Th

Member
Yaweee said:
Both of the womens being discussed are really damn difficult to get on your first try without using a guide due to the level of their missions, time sensitivity, or arbitrary character requirements during specific battles.

Vyce
, on the other hand, is a freebie and a damn good one at that.

I honestly didn't find recruiting
Ravness
hard at all, specially since I generally try to play by killing the less amount of portrait-ed characters possible. The mission in which she actually joins you is surprisingly easy, too.
 
Masaki_ said:
Some thoughts on the Law Path after the end of Chapter 3.

I don't like it. I don't think the game properly acknowledges the seriousness of Denam's crime. It seems the massacre had no long term consequences to the plot. Even Ravness doesn't seem to be bothered by it anymore (Denam calls it "our past differences), wow, just wow). To make things even worse for me, some of the coolest characters can only be recruited on Law and that's also the issue with the DLC.

Overall, Law sucks.
They address all of that plenty of times, if anything they hit you over the head with Denam's "redemption." After the scenes with Vyce at the start of chapter 3, there's just not much more to be said about it. It's not like the other routes spend more time than Law with Denam's character development. It's done pretty much the same way in all of them, through things like Zaebos calling Denam a hypocrite (on every path) or a few conversations.

If anything I say the storyline is handled better than the chaos route, where Denam suddenly goes from a rebel running from bounty hunters to conquering most of Valeria with a small force in the span of one chapter. The politics/military situation makes absolutely no sense. It's like the writers said oh shit, we need to find a way for Denam to end up ruling Walister+Galgistan by chapter 4, how can we contrive it? Chapter 3 Chaos is the worst chapter in the game.
 
Yaweee said:
What optional stuff? By the time you can enter the last dungeon, most of the Chapter 4 sidequests are turned off for no goddamned reason.

Or at least that's what I hear. Not sure if you can even do the Temples at that point.

pretty sure i can enter the temple of the dead and a few different maps in north and south regions. will have to re-check later, at least they're available on the map and in red color.
 

Yaweee

Member
Augemitbutter said:
pretty sure i can enter the temple of the dead and a few different maps in north and south regions. will have to re-check later, at least they're available on the map and in red color.

Yeah, Palace of the Dead and the maps leading up to it are available, but I'm not sure if the Elemental Temples are or not. You can also do the NE portion of the map, which is for the Lindl and Ganb sidequests.
 

STG

Member
since this game has some kind of multiplayer, I was wondering if that works with adhoc party

say, I start a room and set exchange party to upload, could others join that lobby and download my party and vice versa

does any one know if that would work?
 
Augemitbutter said:
i never saw any elemental temples on the map.

You have to read a certain news section in the warren report, and clear out 6 forts around Valeria, and then go back to Cortinae to trigger it. I don't think the forts actually turn red for most of them.
 

Jerk

Banned
Basileus777 said:
They address all of that plenty of times, if anything they hit you over the head with Denam's "redemption." After the scenes with Vyce at the start of chapter 3, there's just not much more to be said about it. It's not like the other routes spend more time than Law with Denam's character development. It's done pretty much the same way in all of them, through things like Zaebos calling Denam a hypocrite (on every path) or a few conversations.

If anything I say the storyline is handled better than the chaos route, where Denam suddenly goes from a rebel running from bounty hunters to conquering most of Valeria with a small force in the span of one chapter. The politics/military situation makes absolutely no sense. It's like the writers said oh shit, we need to find a way for Denam to end up ruling Walister+Galgistan by chapter 4, how can we contrive it? Chapter 3 Chaos is the worst chapter in the game.

Harsh, but mostly true.

Although, I have heard that Neutral 3 is worst.
 
MalboroRed said:
This game is awesome but I'm stuck because I can't seem to
save arycelle
.

Go to the nearest shop and buy a few of the horns that make the weather worse. I only needed 2 but you could buy a few more just in case. The bad weather will make it hard for anyone to get around except for Canopus, who can fly in and protect/heal Arycelle until your healers make their way over.
 

Yaweee

Member
For anybody with money problems, remember to sell old armor. You should have tons of shit from drops, more of each kind than you'll ever need.


I finished the Temple sidequest, and really enjoyed it. I can confirm that the result is 1x Shaman Mark for each Sister that you have in your party, but I'm not sure if it is based on your roster or your Warren Report status.

The battles were fun, the dungeons were the right length, some parts of it were pretty challenging, and I liked finally fighting some new classes (each Temple had one humanoid and one monster class that were enemy-only, i.e. no marks and cannot be recruited). I managed to get both crafting books out of each boss fight. Once you're done, all six dungeons reset, and you can re-do them without doing the annoying surface fort battles.

Why isn't this available in the post-game though? That seems really, really dumb.


There's gotta be a Pro-action code or whatever that makes Wootz Steel buyable. That would cut back the tedium in the crafting system sooooo much =(
 

Chairhome

Member
Okay, hate to be "that guy", but I just picked up the game, ripped it, but I don't see an easy method for getting it to work on my 5.50 prometheus PSP. I searched through the thread a bit and only saw a reference to x-gen. Is there a patch for the USA version? Or are people using x-gen (which I don't know how to use at the moment but will educate myself if needed? Thanks.
 

Masaki_

Member
Basileus777 said:
They address all of that plenty of times, if anything they hit you over the head with Denam's "redemption." After the scenes with Vyce at the start of chapter 3, there's just not much more to be said about it. It's not like the other routes spend more time than Law with Denam's character development. It's done pretty much the same way in all of them, through things like Zaebos calling Denam a hypocrite (on every path) or a few conversations.

If anything I say the storyline is handled better than the chaos route, where Denam suddenly goes from a rebel running from bounty hunters to conquering most of Valeria with a small force in the span of one chapter. The politics/military situation makes absolutely no sense. It's like the writers said oh shit, we need to find a way for Denam to end up ruling Walister+Galgistan by chapter 4, how can we contrive it? Chapter 3 Chaos is the worst chapter in the game.

I think there should have been more than one Chapter 4 so both paths could go on more appropriate directions. Yet, I'd say it's implied that Denam has way more people at his side than just a small group.

But I still don't think the issue with the massacre is handled the way it should be. Let's not forget, not only he killed 5,000 people, he's deceiving a lot more who don't know the truth about his acts. And, in the end, the story stills makes him out to be a hero.

If he's not punished for what he did in the end, I'll be pissed.
 

krYlon

Member
Just wanted to check something on this. I just did the mission where you have to
save Arycelle. I didn't, she died, but I didn't get a game over screen, and so just continued and completed it without her

Is this unusual, as I see lots of people are having problems getting past that mission? Is it dependent on what choices you make earlier??
Or is it just that people want her on their team?
 

Drek

Member
krYlon said:
Just wanted to check something on this. I just did the mission where you have to
save Arycelle. I didn't, she died, but I didn't get a game over screen, and so just continued and completed it without her

Is this unusual, as I see lots of people are having problems getting past that mission? Is it dependent on what choices you make earlier??
Or is it just that people want her on their team?
Just that people want her on their team.
 

krYlon

Member
duckroll said:
Yes. NPCs who die in story missions when you can save them, die for good.

Oh, OK. I'm a little tempted to play on without her.
she deserved to die

I do know that other people have had the game over screen though, I wonder why I don't get that?
 

Peff

Member
krYlon said:
Oh, OK. I'm a little tempted to play on without her.
she deserved to die

I do know that other people have had the game over screen though, I wonder why I don't get that?

That only happens when you get a choice and pick "Save xxx" like with Cistina earlier. If that's not the case the character just dies and you miss a new unit and the extra scenes for him/her.
 
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