1) The areas in Xillia were already bad, having to go through them again it's a chore 2) No one told them they had to use ALL OF RIEXE MAXIA AGAIN, they could easily have most of the game in Elympios (btw, Elympios connection areas suck too) 3) They were reaaaally lazy with the old areas. Literally nothing is changed. Take FFX-2 for example, when you visited an old zone you could see how things changed after 2 years. Here I could post a Xillia 1 screenshot and no one would see the difference!
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Tales of Xillia 2 |OT| Return of the Bazongas
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1) The areas in Xillia were already bad, having to go through them again it's a chore 2) No one told them they had to use ALL OF RIEXE MAXIA AGAIN, they could easily have most of the game in Elympios (btw, Elympios connection areas suck too) 3) They were reaaaally lazy with the old areas. Literally nothing is changed. Take FFX-2 for example, when you visited an old zone you could see how things changed after 2 years. Here I could post a Xillia 1 screenshot and no one would see the difference!
This happens in multiple instances where the JP Ludger remained silent but in the ENG version there are words. It's an intentional change to alleviate many of the criticisms the game had prior to the western release.
Xenoflare
Member
It's not like the Japanese version did a better job with it, the silent protag for Xillia 2 is fundamentally flawed
OniBarubary
Banned
Hey, whoa. As a 30 year old man with multicolored hair over my eyes in a technologically advanced world, me insultado.
Freezasaurus
Member
It's still puzzling that they went in this direction at all. Silent protagonists haven't really been a thing in RPGs in years.
There's nothing wrong with silent protagonists. The problem is that Ludger has a clearly defined character but is not able to express them. The problem is flawed not fundamentally but on a layered level.
yeah, it's literally in the same world so i don't know what you'd expect
Tales is also largely cinematic now + all the skit interactions. Pretty different from, say, Ys Memories of Celceta.
All the best JRPG protags are always silent though! Yu is still pretty recent and all he says is "PERSONA"!
Still the best JRPG lead I've seen in awhile was Stocke from Radiant Historia, but Ludger looks pretty cool as well. Also to those wondering why I asked about recycled areas, just wanted to know what I'm gonna get into before playing the game, since I just beat Xillia 1 pretty recently and it's still pretty fresh. But then it's the battles and the cast of characters that usually matter to me most when it comes to Tales of games.
Xenoflare
Member
Yeah, silent protagonist in cinematic cutscenes is pointless.
Xenoflare
Member
To counter your point, Yu is a terrible player insert (this is what silent protags tries to accomplish) because he has a pre-established character, most choices aside from the social link ones are mostly moot and everyone would go OH GAWD SEMPIE YER SEW COOL throughout the game.
Also, in Arena, the Anime and PQ if you choose the P3 side, he will be given a pre-established character with a default name and is fully voiced.
Not to mention the weird shift of the silence from Tatsuya to Maya throughout the P2 duology, that is just plain awkward, especially in flashback scenes in P2EP
Yes I have a bone to pick with silent protags
VanillaCakeIsBurning
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As it's been said, it's awkward to have an established character as a silent protagonist. I don't think it's a good fit for Tales of, a series that prides itself on plentiful interaction between the main cast members.
There are many games where you can choose your own answers but still have the main character fully voiced. I think that's the route they should have taken, but what's there isn't entirely bad. The dialogue choices make for some interesting situations and I wouldn't mind seeing it return in a future Tales of game as long as the main character is fully voiced.
There are many games where you can choose your own answers but still have the main character fully voiced. I think that's the route they should have taken, but what's there isn't entirely bad. The dialogue choices make for some interesting situations and I wouldn't mind seeing it return in a future Tales of game as long as the main character is fully voiced.
Xenoflare
Member
This, giving a ton of dialogue choices=/=silent protagnists.
And hell, games like Ys doesn't even have much choices but it came with a silent protag since day 1, and it's not bad BECAUSE it had no dialogue choices.
Spirit Icana
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For that scene I would've taken the dot dot dot and the audible sigh instead. But now that I feel a little disconnect with him, I would've preferred if he just talked the whole game now.
Oh well, whatever.
Basileus777
Member
Huh, so that was a localization change. A good one too. With the voice option on, I have little criticism of how Ludger is written, I think his character works pretty well.
If you like harem anime go for Neptunia, if you like gameplay or story go for Tales.
I've already made my decision on that haha. I'll probably check out Neptunia if it ever goes on a deep sale, but just saying harem really kinda discouraged me from wanting it now -____-. Plus I forgot I still had another Vita RPG I've yet to finish with Atelier Totori. Gonna be getting Xillia to tide me over to DR2 next week.
wait, you got Totori to finish? Beat that. Atelier games should always take priority.
Unless it's vanilla Rorona or Ayesha.
when is Neptunia a harem game? Isn't the main cast composed of all girls?
it's never a harem so anyone who describes it as one probably hasn't played it
I don't mean it in a literal sense. The cutscenes I've watched look like they were taken right out of a harem anime. If you like the badly written over the top pandering and the kawaii waifu factor you'll probably like Neptunia. Granted I've never played it due to my healthy sense of self preservation
I just said if you like harem anime play it. I didn't say it literally was one.
It's so inane that they still kept the rest of the voicing behind the NG+ wall though.
I don't mean it in a literal sense. The cutscenes I've watched look like they were taken right out of a harem anime. If you like the badly written over the top pandering and the kawaii waifu factor you'll probably like Neptunia. Granted I've never played it due to my healthy sense of self preservation
I just said if you like harem anime play it. I didn't say it literally was one.
yeah I know. so close though they really need that one guy so I can project myself in the game. Maybe then I'd be interested.
I usually don't like silent main characters and in this case, yes, it doesn't work at all. really really bad.
recycling - not finished the game yet but so far a lot of the recycled areas are optional, if you want to just focus on the main story you can just avoid (most of) them.
I understand the complaints though, they weren't good areas to being with and it's ineed lazy.
even if it does make sense as "the world is the same, so are the locations" going through those areas again fighting the same bosses and (probably) the same monsters isn't really the best experience.
I'm not sure how it is late-game but when the "next payment" isn't huge, the lady calls you a LOT, like, every time you hit X gald (today for me it was 40k), which happens a lot unless you spend money even when you don't need to. you basically have to pay her for no reason other than "jesus christ maybe she'll stop calling me with this, I hope" - you have to waste money, or don't report quests or find some ways to avoid the annoyance. and since in this game money isn't a problem at all, you understand that she can call you a lot. if they just made her call you when you actually need to progress, it would have been bearable. you want to give her money for the rewards? Press L2, you can.
it's not as bad as Ludger being silent but it still is an awful mechanic.
recycling - not finished the game yet but so far a lot of the recycled areas are optional, if you want to just focus on the main story you can just avoid (most of) them.
I understand the complaints though, they weren't good areas to being with and it's ineed lazy.
even if it does make sense as "the world is the same, so are the locations" going through those areas again fighting the same bosses and (probably) the same monsters isn't really the best experience.
what? Since when 8-4 translated Xillia 2.
um, I didn't think about that and you're probably right. although you can say that there are way better ways to restrict access to areas.
I'm not sure how it is late-game but when the "next payment" isn't huge, the lady calls you a LOT, like, every time you hit X gald (today for me it was 40k), which happens a lot unless you spend money even when you don't need to. you basically have to pay her for no reason other than "jesus christ maybe she'll stop calling me with this, I hope" - you have to waste money, or don't report quests or find some ways to avoid the annoyance. and since in this game money isn't a problem at all, you understand that she can call you a lot. if they just made her call you when you actually need to progress, it would have been bearable. you want to give her money for the rewards? Press L2, you can.
it's not as bad as Ludger being silent but it still is an awful mechanic.
anyone?
Ludger's debt was paid off by spirius corp when he was promoted to vice president.... I still haven't beat the game. I had trouble beating the CEO after Chronos that I gave up for now since I have to work in the AM. But I only actually worked off 2 mil of debt, they paid off the 18 mil.
You still have to pay it back, but it's at your own pace now. Nova won't bug you about it anymore. It's worth doing for the skillbooks and stuff you get as rewards...the reward for paying off the debt is terrible though IMO.
Am I the only one expecting a Dark Souls NPC to pop up everytime this song plays?
Xenoflare
Member
I'm pretty sure they did Abyss too, and NieR, among many other games.
Gonna have the game downloading overnight so I can finally try it out in the morning. Did they improve upon the leveling system at all (Lilium Orbs? I actually liked how they did it and would've liked to see that same system just with improvements) Been pretty in the dark on the game in terms of finding out what's new and stuff. I still have no clue what this debt system I keep hearing about is haha. I'm gonna be getting extorted for all my cash throughout the game aren't I -___-
Yeah it actually does sound a bit like Majula from Dark Souls 2.
They also did Fire Emblem Awakening I think.
Yeah it actually does sound a bit like Majula from Dark Souls 2.
They also did Fire Emblem Awakening I think.
Yeah, I think from Abyss onwards they were pretty much THE go to people for Tales localizations. Phantasia GBA aside, unfortunately.
anyone?
Half are from job requests, other half are from arena. Unlocking them is also arena iirc.
zerokoolpsx
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Beat the game, go to Trigleph and talk to Vera. She'll tell you about a disturbance in Drellin which removes the NPC blocking it. Good luck, it is extremely difficult even on easy.
Tag team EX matches? Who you pick determines which boss you fight and the devil arms are given for that character. You must beat the EX dungeon to be unlock those bosses for the first time. Correct me if I'm wrong on this info.
No idea if you have to unlock them this time.
What is it? It sounds familiar, but can't put my tongue on it.
Also is the reward for getting your debt paid off just the cheesy hot spring cutscene, or is there more?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeGn2AE90o4
The best. Admittedly it took me longer than it should to realize it was this as well, lol
Anybody know if Leia can still get the Item Everyone/Multi-Item skill in this game? It's not on Alium Orb I think.
I know that they translated Xillia 1 but Xillia 2 isn't listed here (I guess they didn't update it yet?) and they never mentioned it during their recent podcasts, so it seemed a little strange.
I didn't see the credits but if it's clearly written "localization by 8-4 LTD" or whatever, then I guess they did it.
It would seem weird for 8-4 to not localize it, given they've localized every Tales game except that new one on Vita and possibly Symphonia.
I opened up my manual to see if I could find them in the credits but they were so cheap that a credits section wasn't included.
For anyone curious about the above, it's a skill tome for Leia. "Share the Wealth LE" from hitting 15,550,000 Gald paid off.
NoirVisage
Banned
I LOVE silent Ludger and the fact that in my second playthough all my choices are voiced, is a novel concept, the thing i detested about other tales hero's in the games I've played aside from the first with good ol' Lloyd , is their personality..I feel like I'm shaping my character in a way where he isn't annoying.
they didn't localized every tales of game but most of them, yes. still I thought that it wasn't them this time since I heard nothing about it and I didn't find their name anywhere.
Have you played Vesperia? Yuri is by far my favorite protagonist.
NoirVisage
Banned
rub salt in it why don't ya
western Ps3 owners everywhere will forever lick those wounds.
Liferebooted
Banned
Just finished chapter 10.
That was the first world I felt bad about destroying. Listening to those memories and the kid just wanting to go outside again. =[