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Tales of Zestiria Import Thread - Turning Legends Into Hope
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Does it? I'm 10 hours into the game and ashamed to admit that I may never have pressed this button, since I don't remember such a view. I'll check it out.
That's what happens when you piss off the camera angel; she gives you the most obstructive views.
The fun part is that making objects between player character and camera transparent as a feature already existed in past entries.
I guess doing this with walls could have opened another can of worms (if not handled correctly it could allow the player to literally look behind the facade, look into other rooms or how the environment models are arranged behind the scene etc.) which they might have decided to be too much effort to fix correctly. I wouldn't be surprised, a lot of design decisions in this game are imo clearly primarily compromises to not run into technical limitations.
Sanasanasan
Member
I haven't beaten the game yet, but there's a passive ability that increases your speed for a limited amount of time every time you fight an encounter or listen to an NPC conversation(without using the talk command). Later you can get 2 of this ability, and they stack so the effect lasts longer.
Regarding equipment, I've been playing it like a regular Tales game and upgrading gear at every shop without considering their abilities. I figured that spending a bunch of time on abilities would be somewhat meaningless, assuming that stuff just ends up being replaced by better stuff later. My damage and defenses have been keeping up relatively well, though I'm also underlevelled so my AI tends to die pretty often.
Now that I'm a little further in the game, here's some more random combat stuff I noticed:
-Magic is unblockable unless in kamui. When in normal mode you have to parry or dodge it like in Graces F.
-Parrying gives you a ton of blast gauge, especially if you're in kamui. Combined with might charge 2 for free gauge, you can gain a lot of meter just from blocking and parrying stuff. Especially handy for bosses.
-Using 2 steps resets your might charge counter. You can do a loop of sidestep/parry, backstep, block over and over again until your bar reaches max.
-I mentioned before that when a combo ends the enemy gets invincibility, but that doesn't appear to be the case. It looks like there's a window of invincibility when the enemy is recovering from hitstun, and if you attack during this window, the invincibility extends for a long time(like 2-3 seconds?).
-Enemies also tend to have armor during attack active frames and some of its recovery, especially bosses. I've had the most success with staggering when the enemy is at neutral or at the end of its recovery.
-Steps adding to the chain counter turned out to be a huge buff for casters. Unlike Graces F, cancelling a spell to dodge an attack and cast again is a strong offensive option since the added movement will reduce your casting speed dramatically. If you want to only use one spell that takes a long time to cast, you can just do multiple steps out of neutral to add to the counter, then cast it with the speed buff. Also useful for managing spacing between the enemy and the caster while maintaining offense.
-Holding the spell button while casting it lets you switch targets without using R1 and stopping time. Probably a good thing to know if you're going to play with other people.
-If a caster gets hit while casting, there is a chance they will autoguard it(higher chance if caster is resistant to attack element), and the spell they're casting will come out much faster. This addition is actually more useful for the enemy than the party, since it means if you attack an enemy caster, sometimes your attack will just bounce off them and they'll cast some deadly spell instantly. I find that it's just not worth the risk, so I usually ignore them and attack something else, then parry the spell when it comes out.
-Potential bug with the "attack weaknesses" strategy config for AI(?) If you encounter an enemy that the character has no weakness for, the AI will just stand around and do nothing, even if you change the AI in the strategy menu to something else. I had to issue a defense command to force them to do stuff again. Has anyone else noticed something like this?
At neutral it casts the heal, but if you cancel an attack with it you get a very slow attack that deals a decent amount of damage. Both options use a gauge.
Hold R2 while in the middle of a regular attack animation.
The tools I wrote for Tales of Xillia way back when (back when everybody quoted me in news stories saying Xillia had localization potential due to the multi-language support in the datafiles) work with a very slight modification with this game's files, which means I have (most of) the text extracted. I have a preliminary viewer tool that will allow searching the text and copying it to the clipboard which I made for a friend long ago to use as an aid to look up kanji more easily while playing Tales of Xillia as well, but it's only useful for people who are able to type Japanese, obviously. I've never released anything like this before -- it's just something I do because I like the challenge of reverse-engineering stuff -- but if those who are actually playing it think it would be useful to them, I'm willing to do so, with the caveat that I don't really plan to offer a lot of support for this stuff.
So yeah, if anyone's interested, I'll throw the stuff up somewhere. If not, that's cool too.
So yeah, if anyone's interested, I'll throw the stuff up somewhere. If not, that's cool too.
For anyone further along the story, can you elaborate on the characters in your opinion. Is it true that
Sorey, Mikleo, Rose, and Lailah are basically the only ones that matter and have any significant lines, while Alisha, other 3 Tenzoku, and even important seeming NPCs don't matter or are swept under the rug just like nothing?
Are you kidding me, kayos?
It was an accident. I edited it. The JP kept saying SLAY instead Sorey so it messed me up.
It was not on purpose. I promise. I even almost edited before you posted!
Well that's really good to hear, at least.
IT'S TRUE! T_T so sad.
I still don't get why the annunciation is Surei instead of Sorei.
well, not really surprising if you consider how badly written were Jude and (especially) asbel. Ludger is mute so that hardly counts, lol.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Should of called him Sora.
Chittagong
Gold Member
17 pages, wow - are there really this many Japanese speakers in gaf?
A good chunk of this is really fluff.
I thought about asking him, but I found that question to not be respectful enough and I was afraid they would just answer the usual PR stuff and that having a proper answer would require insisting on the point more than it's really worth to (making it also a loss of time, considering that you are always restricted on that aspect when interviewing him).
In the end I came with the same conclusion that you did, which is not exactly the way most people are seeing him nowadays.
#soreynotslay
(It's not hard to be better than a mute protagonist btw :V)
edit: ^aaaand beaten as usual.
um, if I can search for whatever kanji and look that up here on my pc or get the reading out of it, it should definitely help me. (considering that there is no furigana the alternatives are to just ignore it, search it by the reading if it's from a voiced cut-scene or draw it on a denshi jisho, this last option is rather annoying >;>)
it seems the most similar thing to a text hooker that I could use.
So what is the general verdict on the game from people playing it/completed it? Been playing Tales games since Eternia and I didn't really enjoy Xillia that much due to the combo and upgrade system with bosses, but quite liked Xillia 2 for the changes to both (spent close to 90 hours playing it) and the story I guess. The last game I enjoyed and completed fully was Tales of Vesperia PS3.
Yeah. For Namco producers the thing to keep in mind is that nearly all of them have a background in PR, usually having started in the promotion, sales or something unit. The sole exception I recall right now is Higuchi who actually came from the developer side and is back there now, being part of BN Studios instead BN Games.
In general rather few Japanese producers seem to have a background in development nowadays.
dakkumauji
Member
The thing about that fight which really upset me was the total lack of save point anywhere near her.
You have to run back which is hellish annoying. Why is this boss basically unstaggerable and practically immune to everything. This is so bullshit. I'm getting flashbacks to the fucking slimeboss in Graces.
You're referring to Jude, Asbel, and Ludger just to be sure right, or is Shing/Kor thrown in there somewhere?
All are not good compared to Sorey.
Wait, which boss are you talking about? I might've not paid attention, but I can't recall that one.
The one where you follow the assassin guild's secret passage out of the Ladylake Mansion. There's a boss in the sewer that is of the Gorgon archtype.
Fuck. This. Shit.
In the second part of the Vivia aqueduct after you escape the palace, early on.
I just assumed quick save would delete itself upon loading, and would thus be useless for doing anything but suspending the game. Is that not the case?
keisuke999
Member
Kinda weird the grade shop only goes to EXPx6 this time... and I haven't seen any EXP boosting food at inns yet.
No. It's the same as Xillia 1 and 2.
EDIT: Just saying, the game has been relatively easy on Hard mode but this fucking boss made me want to just rip hairs out.
Is the Grade shop available only after beating the game or have I just missed it?
keisuke999
Member
Yup. Beat game, start EX New Game.
Well to be fair there's a save point at the entrance of the dungeon. The bosses are located at the end of various branches filled with monsters, and there's no save points before the bosses or just outside of the branches which connect to the 'hub' area. If you want to do the bosses in succession without having to run all the way back to the save point each time, you use quick save.
encephalon
Member
If I'm not ready to rush out and pick up this game, how likely is a ps4 port?
keisuke999
Member
If anyone is interested, here are some trophy tips from me. Sorry if some have already been covered:
ライブラブラリ: Open the Library every time you see "AP Increased by 1" (it doesn't count if you just keep opening it) 50 times
サポートの達人and 風になったワタシ I got basically at the same time: After you get the sprint ability, just run around town and you'll speed up without having to do anything. Keep doing this and it'll level up the support ability also, which will get you both trophies.
僕と私のブラスティア: In Kamui form, I just guarded and bunch until my BG went to 9 and got the trophy. No need for any weapon farming, it seems.
オヤッツァー・フォー: When you get ALL party members in your party (end game) change all their support abilities to food making and tape your sticks together and wait over night (in real time). By then you should have made all the food.
殊勝な師匠: Sleep at Rastonbell (Lastonbell?) Inn and you'll see some chats where the characters will exchange some support abilities. The trophy popped for me right then.
お得意サマー: Get about 100,000 gald total (I got 50,000 and then sold everything I had to get the rest) Then pick whichever shop you have the highest rank already and buy everything, then sell it back. The only things left to buy are gummies and life bottles, so buy those 15 at a time, then sell back. Repeat until level max. I checked, and Inns don't count for this trophy.
薬草１００本： including the hidden dungeon and subquest dungeons (one not linked to the main story) there are about 120 herbs, so just pick up the ones you see and visit every map marker you see and you'll get it.
サポートの達人and 風になったワタシ I got basically at the same time: After you get the sprint ability, just run around town and you'll speed up without having to do anything. Keep doing this and it'll level up the support ability also, which will get you both trophies.
僕と私のブラスティア: In Kamui form, I just guarded and bunch until my BG went to 9 and got the trophy. No need for any weapon farming, it seems.
オヤッツァー・フォー: When you get ALL party members in your party (end game) change all their support abilities to food making and tape your sticks together and wait over night (in real time). By then you should have made all the food.
殊勝な師匠: Sleep at Rastonbell (Lastonbell?) Inn and you'll see some chats where the characters will exchange some support abilities. The trophy popped for me right then.
お得意サマー: Get about 100,000 gald total (I got 50,000 and then sold everything I had to get the rest) Then pick whichever shop you have the highest rank already and buy everything, then sell it back. The only things left to buy are gummies and life bottles, so buy those 15 at a time, then sell back. Repeat until level max. I checked, and Inns don't count for this trophy.
薬草１００本： including the hidden dungeon and subquest dungeons (one not linked to the main story) there are about 120 herbs, so just pick up the ones you see and visit every map marker you see and you'll get it.
Oh, you already beat it?
Mind if I ask roughly how much is left after
you collect all orbs
Quite excited for this actually. Just finished playing Graces F and have to agree with the opinion on the battle system being the best. The issue was everything else in the game was horrid and the constant breakup of combat. Didn't get to any decent dungeons till the end.
So if this is its combat system a bit with a quality overmap and decent characters.
So if this is its combat system a bit with a quality overmap and decent characters.