Big Green Anus
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Thanks for the reply! Having no journal for the side-quests makes no sense and makes things difficult to manage.
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Tales of Zestiria |OT| - Sorey, Modders did what Bamcouldn't!
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Thanks for the reply! Having no journal for the side-quests makes no sense and makes things difficult to manage.
WickedLaharl
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Lord of Calamity
Lord of Calamity?
CALAMITY LORD OF
Shepard
Wrex where r u
Lord of Calamity?
CALAMITY LORD OF
Shepard
Wrex where r u
The journal is the character that follows Sorey talk to them and they will tell you what to do next from a list of events.
I actually like it though, in some cases the party member will inform you if the side quest in temporarily locked behind main story triggers.
Dimitri LH
Member
I plan to buy the CE of this game soon (hopefully soon), When is it recommended to to watch the the blue ray? is it a prequel of sorts or mid game events?
It's a retelling of the prologue I believe. So you can watch it before, or after you even play the game.
I really feel like the equipment system in Zestiria is by far the most interesting out of any Tales game I've played.
It's not really that complicated, but sufficiently so that equipment selection and management comes down to more than just "hey I'm in a new town, let's buy incremental upgrades for everything!".
The amount of stuff happening is totally overwhelming, I'm doing the same as you lol
This is the only thing about the skill system that feels like an oversight to me. If you don't have the skill positions memorized it's a bit of a hassle having to jump back and forth between the fuse and equipment menus to check where they go on the grid.
I'm having a good time with it too. After it clicked for me I started paying more attention to what I should fuse/buy/equip and so far I haven't felt hampered by it yet.
What difficulty level are you playing on? This is a JRPG, which is like an "AAA" WRPG in that the first 3 or 4 can be safely disregarded
Funnily enough the fusion mechanic is a lot like the system in Two Worlds 1.
Basileus777
Member
What difficulty level are you playing on? This is a JRPG, which is like an "AAA" WRPG in that the first 3 or 4 can be safely disregarded
I've been playing on hard and intense, and I haven't really felt like it changes the gameplay all that significantly beyond giving the enemies way too much health. At least for random encounters, bosses are more interesting on higher difficulties.
The tumblr post was silly.
As for Amazon, the 1-star review thing isn't what's an indicator of the Japanese fans' reception of the game. The price of Zestiria dropped precipitously on Amazon, which means people were returning the game in droves. Leaving a 1-star review is easy. Returning a game means the person was willing to lose money. There's more to the story than just 1-star reviews and some idiotic rant on Tumblr.
You get a stack bonus (bonus for piling on equipment that has the same exact skill), you get a row bonus and you get a column bonus.
stephencottontail
Member
What I've noticed is that the game plays like Graces or the Xillias: in theory, the random battles aren't challenging in and of themselves, the challenge is conserving enough resources so you can beat the boss. (In practice, ehh, not so much, although I'm optimistic about the future given that the Spiritcrest had some pretty rough random battles.)
Other Tales games have systems like that without feeling so completely transient. For instance, Tales of Vesperia follows FF9's lead by having equipment that has skills on it, but allows you to learn the skills permanently. And you're granted the skill without having to use SP to equip it by wearing that piece of equipment, which gives you a reason to keep old stuff around. In Zestiria, there is no permanence at all, which I think removes the feeling of progression as well as a sense of control. In Zestiria, I feel like I'm basically held captive by the skills on my equipment a lot of the time.
I felt the combat was the only redeeming quality about the game
I haven't played Vesperia, but I actually thought the FF9 system was really bad. It transforms equipment from something which actively provides effects and which you chose for that reason to basically a skill book you need to drag around with you for a limited time before you can finally get rid of it. And you spend a lot of time shifting items around between characters to have everyone learn optimally.
What can I say, I really didn't like that system. (I actually re-played FF9 quite recently, so that's as direct a comparison as it gets)
So like I said I'm up to the point in the game where pretty much a good chunk of the battle mechanics are available to me. I'm enjoying the game much more than I have in my JP previous run.
I'll start off with the characters. I like Sorey as a main character and I like the rest of the cast for the most part. However, I do feel like the characters that hang out with Sorey are pretty boring for the most part because they are flat characters rather than dynamic ones. Not only that but they all have stupid one liners during dialogue which can be pretty hit or miss. They're not offensive but they're not spectacular either. Having said that, the story falls on its face pretty considerably. I take no offense as to why Alisha leaves like I posted in the JP thread. However, I always had a problem of how Rose joined the party considering they made it a pretty big deal of how Alisha was causing issues but Rose does not. I just found it abrupt and pretty terrible.
The voice acting is rock solid and so is the script. I would say this is the best localized script for a Tales game bar none. It's fantastic.
The combat system. Oh boy. I loved Graces' combat system after a second playthrough. Perhaps it's similar for Zestiria in the same vein. After coming back to it with a fresh mind, I'm enjoying the combat system much better than before. I still think the Blast Gauge system is flawed to a large degree due to Armatization being the great priority use but there are some nuances revolving around the system that didn't necessarily exist before in the series. For instance, using Armatization to redistribute health and BG resources, or using the Blast Chain to create longer Power hit combos, or using the Blast gauge for revival. Things like this wasn't really possible and I'm glad it exists in the game. The Seraphim in the same light are more resources than they are characters. They exist to heal you, give you power ups, change you positioning in a fight, etc. They're great but they'r'e extremely limited in hindsight because of the elemental weakness system.
The weakness system in Zestiria I find to be a stepback in numerous ways. Graces had a great idea, Xillia sort of ruined it, then Xillia 2 improved it a great deal. In Zestiria, they took a step back with it as enemies pretty much required you to use weaknesses in order to defeat them otherwise you're SOL. This means that it gives players less freedom in starting the initial combo and continuing it. Perhaps this is a personal gripe but I find it sort of annoying.
The skill system was another auxiliary system I found an issue with originally as well. Rather than giving players the full control of how they're characters are progressing utilizing levels and learned skills, we're tied by the equipment we choose for our characters. Fusing equipments can power up your character and give more skills for characters but we have no direct control over what we can get and sometimes it feels like it's a slot game. We're further limited because you can only fuse items of the same name. Needless to say, the fusing in the game is pretty bad.
Overall, I'm enjoying the game because of the battle system but the game is still flawed to a great degree. This is by far the worst PS3 Tales game of the generation. Having said that, I do think this is better than Hearts R now.... for the time being...
I'll start off with the characters. I like Sorey as a main character and I like the rest of the cast for the most part. However, I do feel like the characters that hang out with Sorey are pretty boring for the most part because they are flat characters rather than dynamic ones. Not only that but they all have stupid one liners during dialogue which can be pretty hit or miss. They're not offensive but they're not spectacular either. Having said that, the story falls on its face pretty considerably. I take no offense as to why Alisha leaves like I posted in the JP thread. However, I always had a problem of how Rose joined the party considering they made it a pretty big deal of how Alisha was causing issues but Rose does not. I just found it abrupt and pretty terrible.
The voice acting is rock solid and so is the script. I would say this is the best localized script for a Tales game bar none. It's fantastic.
The combat system. Oh boy. I loved Graces' combat system after a second playthrough. Perhaps it's similar for Zestiria in the same vein. After coming back to it with a fresh mind, I'm enjoying the combat system much better than before. I still think the Blast Gauge system is flawed to a large degree due to Armatization being the great priority use but there are some nuances revolving around the system that didn't necessarily exist before in the series. For instance, using Armatization to redistribute health and BG resources, or using the Blast Chain to create longer Power hit combos, or using the Blast gauge for revival. Things like this wasn't really possible and I'm glad it exists in the game. The Seraphim in the same light are more resources than they are characters. They exist to heal you, give you power ups, change you positioning in a fight, etc. They're great but they'r'e extremely limited in hindsight because of the elemental weakness system.
The weakness system in Zestiria I find to be a stepback in numerous ways. Graces had a great idea, Xillia sort of ruined it, then Xillia 2 improved it a great deal. In Zestiria, they took a step back with it as enemies pretty much required you to use weaknesses in order to defeat them otherwise you're SOL. This means that it gives players less freedom in starting the initial combo and continuing it. Perhaps this is a personal gripe but I find it sort of annoying.
The skill system was another auxiliary system I found an issue with originally as well. Rather than giving players the full control of how they're characters are progressing utilizing levels and learned skills, we're tied by the equipment we choose for our characters. Fusing equipments can power up your character and give more skills for characters but we have no direct control over what we can get and sometimes it feels like it's a slot game. We're further limited because you can only fuse items of the same name. Needless to say, the fusing in the game is pretty bad.
Overall, I'm enjoying the game because of the battle system but the game is still flawed to a great degree. This is by far the worst PS3 Tales game of the generation. Having said that, I do think this is better than Hearts R now.... for the time being...
I don't think the Pope was even victimized at all. The thing, though, is that
He ran away because he felt he had no reason to be pope anymore, and then ran a scam with Fake Elexir. This is bad... but is it a reason to condemn the entire village which depends on that scam?
I have to say, though, this cast of character is really fantastic.
Edna, Laihla, Rose, Mikleo and Sorrey really do play off each off each others really well. So far Devel is a bit of a third wheel to Rose though. Also the whole Alisha arc is really cool.
JoeyJungle
Banned
So Durante's article on PC Gamer mentions being able to force 60hz with the driver control panel if the game detects your monitor as being 59hz. I was wondering how you would do that with the nvidia control panel? Zestiria correctly detects my monitor as 60hz, but I've had that issue for a ton of other games and had no idea there was a solution for it.
Nose Master
Member
So far (like every Tales game I've played), hitstun, backstep, and free run makes almost every random encounter completely trivial regardless of the difficulty. Optimizing is just for style points and to make the fights go faster.
Agreed about Symphonia, btw. It was just the first 3D style Tales I played, so it got in there first.
Dedication Through Light
Member
I love the DLC so much, hes so hot.
Been using the official guide, it has lots of typos but the maps and such are good. Still only at the first village.
Been using the official guide, it has lots of typos
but the maps and such are good. Still only at the first village.Chaos2Frozen
Member
I think I'm at the early-to-mid game stage.
And woooooooooow Alisha
And woooooooooow Alisha
was ditched so unceremoniously it's not even funny. You could be forgiven to think that she would return soon later. But knowing what I know this makes it feel even more insulting. No wonder people were pissed.
texhnolyze
Banned
Rose and a cowboy hat is just a perfect fit.
Dimitri LH
Member
Ah good, thanks!
Last question, do players feel obligated on using Sorey and the other girl to fuse? Or can you enjoy the game without using that feature, asking for multiplayer purposes.
Xillia kind of destroyed the co-op feature for obvious reasons.
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Basileus777
Member
There are 4 switches to step on, you have to do it in the right order.
I'm looking forward to the obligatoryI love the DLC so much, hes so hot.
Been using the official guide, it has lots of typos
hot springs
spoiler
mugurumakensei
Member
The theme from the Earth Shrine is godly. Wind Shrine theme is great as well.
I love the DLC so much, hes so hot.
Been using the official guide, it has lots of typos
He's 17, chill
Big Green Anus
Member
How do I access my preorder weapons?
I find all of the music really overbearing, particularly in the shrines. Normally love Takes music but this is really giving me a headache.
If I'm up to
the last of the fout trials
Go into the Items menu and select the rightmost section (the one with an wi-fi symbol), they'll be there to be activated. Then you can equip them in the Fashion menu.
You have to hit the switches in order. When you hit the right switch, you hear a special sound. If you hit the wrong one, the switches reset. Just gotta guess.
TangerineCloud
Banned
Is it just me or do bosses mercilessly attack seraphim? I'm not having much trouble defeating them or moderate, but I always end up with a few seraphim K.O.s (and a hefty grade penalty) since the bosses don't even seem interested in going after me. It's also annoying since it takes just a few hits from a boss to knock out someone.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
Yup. Seems like most bosses just take turns hitting each seraphim a couple times in rotation.
I'm getting the impression that Bosses attack a Seraphim in priority when the Boss resist that Seraphim's element, as it seems to mostly happens to those particular fights.
Also, people are actually finding mobs super easy just after switching to Intense? I have switched a while ago but still dread the fuck out of groups of spellcasters. Having half of your skills made useless is really hard if there is more than one spellcaster at once, especially on harder difficulties where they cast super quick.