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Team Fortress 2 Official PC Thread. SO. WORTH. IT.
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Orellio said:
Honestly, scouts need it more. They aren't that good against medics because of the blutsauger, pyros take way too many shots to kill now, and they're still difficult to use well against the usual suspects. Of course they could just nerf the backburner.
I have to say, the Axetinguisher is freaking awesome. All those medic and heavy combos that were pretty much invincible against pyros have to be a lot more careful now. It also compliments the flare gun well... catch someone on fire from afar, then run up to them and finish them off. Getting this thing made my day.
I'm guessing demoman is probably going to be absolute last to get an upgrade- even with all the stuff the other classes are getting they're still pretty strong. Either that or snipers (more because they aren't in harms way most of the time).
gregor7777
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Fun games on Sexy last night...I think Scout is quickly becoming one of my favorite classes. I totally neglected him for a long time.
PillowKnight
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Yea, you probably have to join the game from steam, as opposed to joining a friend while inside TF2. Hence the "House call".Firestorm said:
Scout's the next to get some loving. Look the scout's stats, also I rarely if ever see scouts anymore. The next patch will likely have scout anti sentry weapons, coupled with a few engineer buffs.
fallengorn
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Maybe we'll see the return of the nail gun.PillowKnight said:
No Means Nomad
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Engineers just clean up on the new CTF Well.
TheOneGuy said:
I've had to change my "holy crap it's a pyro, RUN" strategy at close ranges now that the back burner is out. In the past I would run away with my back to him to maximize speed, but now with the extra damage at range and the back crit attacks that would just be suicide. I usually have better luck running backwards (at a loss of speed and clipping things) while firing like a madman. I'll probably still die, but hopefully take the pyro out too.
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Basically, Medics heal patients faster the longer it's been since the patient was last injured.
BravoSuperStar
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I got the backburner last night and its fucking awesome. I finally enjoy playing as a pyro, and feel like im actually contributing. Flare gun kinda sucks, but its fun to annoy snipers with.
A few people have mentioned that the Spy is supposedly the next class to get the update, and its already finished, they are just waiting to release it.
A few people have mentioned that the Spy is supposedly the next class to get the update, and its already finished, they are just waiting to release it.
WRONG.SuperEnemyCrab said:
Flare gun is superior to shotgun in every way! Yes, it's no good for getting points, but who cares about points. It's all about winning the round! The flare gun will make everyone but a pyro (and heavy) run for a medic (or health pack).
Could use a small boost in initial damage, maybe, but eh.
BravoSuperStar
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TheOneGuy said:
True enough.
It is pretty sweet catching someone with a crit flare though, i have to admit.
SuperEnemyCrab said:
It wouldn't surprise me if spies are next, since they're the ones most affected by the pyro update (increase in popularity more than the strength increase). But spies still have a few things going for them... chiefly they're invaluable at breaking sentry nests. And despite being weak they're still pretty fun to play and you can almost guarantee there's one or two players who are going to play spy on your team.
But the scout is rarely better than other classes and it is quite poor at supporting the other ones (except during a scout rush :lol ). A sentry stops a scout cold unless the engineer is away and the sentry placement is horrible. It feels like one byproduct of the pyro update is that there's more engineers because there is fewer demomen and soldiers, so it is murder being a scout. They're still somewhat good at the beginning of capture the flag maps, but after that it starts to suck... and they butchered well so that it is an engineer paradise instead of being a scout and engineer paradise (I liked the old well better
).I can still gank medics as a scout, but it feels like I have to exert way more effort these days and chances are I'm going to die after that first kill due to the blutsauger and all the pyros running around. It takes like twice as many shots to deal with a medic/pyro combo as it used it. That's a lot of reloading.
I see about as many scouts as spies, but they seem to die stupidly fast. Granted the scouts I've run into aren't the best, but there are lot more maps these days that are not open. Anywho, scouts are a lot more work and aren't quite as fun as they used to be.
In other news, I got my Attention Getter achievement by hitting a cloaked spy about 20-30 feet away... it was pretty awesome.
He cloaked in front of me and I guessed his trajectory and it hit, against all odds...Never understood this.zer0das said:
Scouts are invaluable for distracting the enemy. I know I'm not great at killing people with the scout (except on the occasional good day where I absolutely DOMINATE), but I also know that my hit and run tactics do more to break up and delay the enemy than if I stand in one spot as a heavy and spray a million bullets.
It's another case where points don't necessarily represent usefulness.
fallengorn
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Scouts are awesome.
I wish I still had that screenshot where I dominated 10-12 people as a scout.
I wish I still had that screenshot where I dominated 10-12 people as a scout.
I know the utility of a harassing scout, but the maps are pretty claustrophobic these days. Well was pretty much the textbook example of a great map for scouts, and now it's a nightmare for them. Gravelpit is a great map for harassment. I guess Badlands/Fastlane are okay, as is Granary.
Usually I'm good enough to wound anyone in a 1v1 and eat up a bunch of their time even if others are trying to kill me, so that when backup comes around they can finish them off easily. But I know 95% of the time that the team and I am better off when I'm a demoman. Or a soldier. Or a heavy...
Usually I'm good enough to wound anyone in a 1v1 and eat up a bunch of their time even if others are trying to kill me, so that when backup comes around they can finish them off easily. But I know 95% of the time that the team and I am better off when I'm a demoman. Or a soldier. Or a heavy...
Pff. Scouts can easily jump around on top of the boxes strewn about the middle of ctf_well.zer0das said:
Goldrush is also a good scout map, despite people thinking it's not. So many obstacles and places to hide/jump to that other classes can't easily reach.
There seems to be this misconception that scouts need wide open areas to be effective. I think it's quite the opposite.
Crab Milk Mickey
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I remember that moment. I think you got one of your achievements then. :[LouieGeetoo said:
Hm. Not looking good there.
Bunny
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i remember back in the old tfc days a scout could never go up against a heavy or soldier and win. nowadays you see it all the time because they're so fucking fast and their scatter gun is lethal at close range. scouts aren't weak.
i think the next update is going to be for the engy.
i think the next update is going to be for the engy.
I'm a little confused, here... people are complaining about scouts being weak... aren't they supposed to be weak? I always figured that they were meant to be the class that can't do a whole lot in the way of killing other players, but instead have to rely on their speed and agility to get to the objective quickly or make it hard to be followed?
Like TheOneGuy said about the Pyro's flare gun, it seems that you can be useful with the scout without actually earning points. On the maps where you're pushing the bomb along the tracks, I find that I can go scout, hop behind the blue team's lines and distract the entire team just by running around and swinging the bat. For some reason, even though the objective is nowhere near their base, it seems that most people feel compelled to drop what they're doing and chase me down.
Like TheOneGuy said about the Pyro's flare gun, it seems that you can be useful with the scout without actually earning points. On the maps where you're pushing the bomb along the tracks, I find that I can go scout, hop behind the blue team's lines and distract the entire team just by running around and swinging the bat. For some reason, even though the objective is nowhere near their base, it seems that most people feel compelled to drop what they're doing and chase me down.
PillowKnight
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No one's saying scouts are weak, in the same way pyros weren't weak-- they're nuanced.
Although, scouts are useless on most maps with tight quarters.
Although, scouts are useless on most maps with tight quarters.
sonicspear64
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Maybe Scouts will get that automatic pistol that was shown in the 2006 teaser.
Confidence Man
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A nailgun to replace the scattergun would be nice. Long range, deadly accurate, but weak. Like the syringe gun with less of an arc.
PillowKnight
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I was thinking more along the lines of a bat that temporarily disables sentries. Maybe just enables a permanent sapper effect that doesn't destroy sentries.
sonicspear64
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Anybody planning to get on the GAF server or Love Me Sexy anytime soon? Right now, I'm just checking out custom maps on random empty servers.
The problem I'm seeing is getting close to the sentry in the first place. But something that disables them without destroying would be pretty cool.PillowKnight said:
For spy I'm really hoping for some new building destroying stuff. Maybe a dispenser disguise which would be awesome. As spy, I always concentrate on harassing engineers.
8 people on it nowsonicspear64 said:
PillowKnight
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If you have his back, stab then sap. If you can't get his back, sap then shoot. If there are multiple sentries you're screwed either way.Grifter said:
Confidence Man
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Grifter said:
sap, stab, sap again if necessary.
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