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[speedpop]

:lol @ Heavy formation.

I remember defending last stage of Gold Rush and we all went Engineers, got our arses kicked and they were close to capping so everyone went Pyro and pushed them back to their spawn. Good times.

 

[Hazaro]

:lol @ Heavy formation.

I remember defending last stage of Gold Rush and we all went Engineers, got our arses kicked and they were close to capping so everyone went Pyro and pushed them back to their spawn. Good times.

Engineers eh? :lol

 

[Darkflight]

How are people getting the achievement bars on screen?

 

[Ikuu]

Update out, was wondering why I couldn't connect to some servers:

Team Fortress 2


Pipebombs now get a reduced close range damage ramp up (like Rocket Launcher & Syringe Gun)

Ultimately reduces damage done by pipebombs to enemies <512 units from the Demoman

Moved the unlockable system over to the new item backend:

Added a warning dialog to the loadout screen telling clients when the server they're on could not get their loadout

Made "tf_damage_disablespread" a replicated convar, so clients can see the value of it on the server they're connected to

Renamed "mp_stalemate_at_timelimit" to "mp_match_end_at_timelimit", to better explain its function now that stalemate is optional

Fixed muzzle flashes & shell ejections still playing when viewmodels are hidden

Server tags can now be used to include or exclude servers from the list


Team Fortress 2 and Day of Defeat: Source

Protected several more commands from client exploitation

 

[benjipwns]

How are people getting the achievement bars on screen?

Click on Achievements and you can mark the checkbox to get them to appear.

 

[Hazaro]

How are people getting the achievement bars on screen?

Hit "Esc" in game and click Achievements, then select the ones you want to show on your HUD.

Update out, was wondering why I couldn't connect to some servers:

Team Fortress 2

Link?

 

[Darkflight]

Click on Achievements and you can mark the checkbox to get them to appear.

Wow, I really haven't played in a while, thought it was a mod, cheers :lol

 

[Hazaro]

Update out, was wondering why I couldn't connect to some servers:

Pipebombs now get a reduced close range damage ramp up (like Rocket Launcher & Syringe Gun)

Ultimately reduces damage done by pipebombs to enemies <512 units from the Demoman

What this means: Demomen who defend by shooting stickies at the ground and retreating (Usually against Scouts or Pyros) will do less damage if the enemy is approx ~6 in game feet (1.5 flamethrower flame lengths) near the Demoman.

I didn't know the rocket launcher had it or the Syringe gun though...

It's just probably enough not to 1 hit 125hp classes is my guess.

 

[mr stroke]

Just re installed this again, is there a Gaf clan or Gaf room everyone plays on?

 

[Twig]

1) It's actually stickybombs, not pipe bombs.
2) As fallout just explained to dumb ol' me, it doesn't mean you do less damage the closer they are. It means the damage increase has been ultimately decreased. The rate at which damage grows is no longer as high as it was before.

 

[Hazaro]

1) It's actually stickybombs, not pipe bombs.
2) As fallout just explained to dumb ol' me, it doesn't mean you do less damage the closer they are. It means the damage increase has been ultimately decreased. The rate at which damage grows is no longer as high as it was before.

Explain 2?
In relation to the rocket launcher and syringe gun too please.

 

[fallout]

Explain 2?
In relation to the rocket launcher and syringe gun too please.

It's poor wording on their part (and maybe I'm wrong), but the "ramp up" part would indicate the following. The closer you get to the explosion, the more damage it does to you, which has always been true. However, the rate at which that increases has been decreased. I assume this means that the maximum damage output of the sticky bomb has been decreased, as well.

As for the rocket launcher, the same applies. Syringe gun would be based on how far you are from the target when you fire your gun. Still, that is really strange wording. I don't think I understand how the stickybombs work well enough to be sure about all that.

 

[Hazaro]

It's poor wording on their part (and maybe I'm wrong), but the "ramp up" part would indicate the following. The closer you get to the explosion, the more damage it does to you, which has always been true. However, the rate at which that increases has been decreased. I assume this means that the maximum damage output of the sticky bomb has been decreased, as well.

As for the rocket launcher, the same applies. Syringe gun would be based on how far you are from the target when you fire your gun. Still, that is really strange wording. I don't think I understand how the stickybombs work well enough to be sure about all that.

Yeah. I give the tf2 forums on steam until the scout update is revealed to figure it out :lol

 

[ice cream]

Ah.. hopefully scout update this week with a free weekend and steam discount..?

 

[Ikuu]

Anyone else see this? http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=804248 Pretty crazy, could be an interesting mode though.

 

[PillowKnight]

Scout update : http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/sandman.htm

A bat that stuns people. Meh, already hate it.

 

[Hazaro]

The farther the ball flies before ricocheting offa some chucklehead's skull, the longer he's gonna be stunned. And guys who think they're tough because they're invulnerable? It works on them too. Now the bad news: You can't double jump when you're carrying this little beauty.

Interesting, but not what I wanted :[

 

[Twig]

I HATE EVERYTHING.

 

[BigKaboom2]

I hope it was a really high arc like in the picture, and a recharge time. Not going to really know the full implications until stuff like that is discovered.

 

[fallout]

The internet categorizes TF2 weapon updates as one of the following two:

1. Entirely useless.
2. Horribly overpowered.

 

[Hazaro]

>What if two pyros bounce it back and forth between each other and it keeps flying and getting longer and longer stun until when it eventually hits someone their game gets uninstalled
:lol

 

[Iadien]

Wow, that has a lot of potential in a good scout's hands.

 

[MNC]

Wow... At first read, it sounds kind of overpowered.

Stunning ubercharged people? Only downside is no double jump? WOW.

 

[Hazaro]

Wow... At first read, it sounds kind of overpowered.

Stunning ubercharged people? Only downside is no double jump? WOW.

Double Jump is the Scout's soul.

It changes his play type to harrass instead of killing them, as he loses survivability. Imo.

Either way it LOOKS BAD, but if Valve took the time to add custom animations to each class and implement the code for it I'm sure it should be good. Right?

 

[Alaskanbullworm]

Well, I was partially right about the baseball , although it was a pretty easy guess.

 

[Volcynika]

http://www.tf2.com/post.php?id=2253

Explains the recent sticky bomb update.

 

[Ysiadmihi]

It took them long enough, but Valve came up with a perfect solution for the close range sticky spam

Now maybe I can stop hearing how overpowered Demo is when I mostly use primary nades anyway.

 

[Hazaro]

Playing scout more recently I like this, plus I mostly use nades as a demo for close range.
The damage ramp up explains why nades almost always 1 hit the weaker classes too.

512 = About 40 feet

 

[Twig]

The internet categorizes TF2 weapon updates as one of the following two:

1. Entirely useless.
2. Horribly overpowered.

lolol

So right.

 

[Hazaro]

lolol

So right.

And the bat is both! :lol

 

[fallengorn]

Scout update : http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/sandman.htm

A bat that stuns people. Meh, already hate it.

As soon as the update hits, every game is going to start off like it's spring training.

 

[Azure Dream]

There's going to be some Medic rage as every time they charge in there, some Scout knocks their uber-target stunned and useless. :lol I never expected them to take out the double-jump for something like this, though. That's a tremendous limit on the Scout.

Presumably this will work on disguised spies, so it makes for a pretty obvious spy check too, unless it can affect friendlies. Which it then becomes a griefing tool.

 

[Alaskanbullworm]

Oh darn, just realized this will be the 3rd milestone unlockable, but whatever, there's usually enough fun and moderately easy achievements to get these.

Oh and what's your guesses for the other days? Of course the two other unlockables and achievements, but maybe that new mode, a new map, a new video?

 

[speedpop]

A new mode would be awesome, but I'm not expecting it.

 

[Capndrake]

It's been far too long since the Heavy update, I'm predicting three new official maps (No community ones).

 

[Bliddo]

Let the hate-before-even-trying-it begins X_X

A new mode would be awesome, but I'm not expecting it.

I do expect it actually... IIRC they mentioned something about a new mode a while ago.

 

[Javaman]

There's going to be some Medic rage as every time they charge in there, some Scout knocks their uber-target stunned and useless. :lol I never expected them to take out the double-jump for something like this, though. That's a tremendous limit on the Scout.

Presumably this will work on disguised spies, so it makes for a pretty obvious spy check too, unless it can affect friendlies. Which it then becomes a griefing tool.

Has it been confirmed that the bat will paralyze ubered people? On a side not does Natsha slow down the movement of ubered players?

 

[Cheeto]

There's going to be some Medic rage as every time they charge in there, some Scout knocks their uber-target stunned and useless. :lol I never expected them to take out the double-jump for something like this, though. That's a tremendous limit on the Scout.

Presumably this will work on disguised spies, so it makes for a pretty obvious spy check too, unless it can affect friendlies. Which it then becomes a griefing tool.

Ya, kinda like how a pyro will knock them off of bridges, or juggle them in the air to be pushed 100yds away by the sentries.

Update sounds fine so far...sounds like its only one of the new weapons right? Are they going to be releasing details little by little during the week?

http://www.tf2.com/post.php?id=2253

Explains the recent sticky bomb update.

Can someone quote the text? Work is blocking the blog.

 

[Azure Dream]

I wasn't crying foul, but if you're going to try to pick it apart like that...

Ya, kinda like how a pyro will knock them off of bridges,

That's a very specific situation.

or juggle them in the air to be pushed 100yds away by the sentries.

It's not easy, but they can still shoot while that's going on. And I usually don't see 100yd launches, although I do see teams of pyros keeping them aloft.

Seriously, though, I'm not bitching about the weapon. I don't have any experience with it. It's just funny to think "Incoming Uber... bring out the Scouts!"

Update sounds fine so far...sounds like its only one of the new weapons right? Are they going to be releasing details little by little during the week?

An update a day for the next few days, like the Heavy update.

 

[Doytch]

Can someone quote the text? Work is blocking the blog.

The news you've all been waiting for: The Scout Update!

Also, we released an update yesterday with a change that needs some clarification. The update notes said this:

* Sticky bombs now get a reduced close range damage ramp up (like Rocket Launcher & Syringe Gun)

From the response we got, there's some confusion around this, so we thought it'd be good to do a post that explained what's going on here.

In TF2, almost all damage done to players is modified based on the distance from the player to the enemy who did the damage. There are several reasons why this is done, but the general purpose of it is that it makes close combat resolve faster than long range combat, giving approaching players more time to make tactical decisions (like whether to engage or retreat). The ramp centers around the 512 units (roughly 40 feet) range, and linearly remaps damage done from 150% at 0 units down to 50% at >1024 units. So if you're fighting someone closer than 512 units, you're doing extra damage.

Sticky bombs have an additional complexity on top of this: they use the distance modification for the first 5 seconds of their life, and then turn it off. This is because it's generally a dual purpose weapon: used offensively like a rocket launcher, and defensively to create traps. The 5 second rule essentially means distance matters in the offensive mode, but not at all in the defensive. So if you're a trap laying Demoman, you don't need to get near the stickies when you set them off.

So, yesterdays update reduced the amount of bonus damage that the stickies earned at close range during that first 5 seconds of their life. Their old distance-based damage ramp range was 150% -> 50% variance around the base 120 damage, and the update reduced that to 115% -> 50%. Here's a handy graph with the details, and it shows how the remap only affects damage closer than 512 units.



Why did we do this? We didn't think that the Demoman was overpowered at medium & long ranges, where the charge up time provides an existing penalty. If we did a straight damage reduction across the board, we would affect that. In addition, by weakening the Demoman specifically at short range, we've created a weakness that enemies can take advantage of in combat, and makes the Demoman wary of specific enemy classes (like the Scout and Pyro).

.

 

[PillowKnight]

Has it been confirmed that the bat will paralyze ubered people? On a side not does Natsha slow down the movement of ubered players?

I believe it does.

 

[Iadien]

"by weakening the Demoman specifically at short range, we've created a weakness that enemies can take advantage of in combat, and makes the Demoman wary of specific enemy classes (like the Scout and Pyro)." I've always been wary of close range scouts and pyros. This change hasn't affected my play style at all.

 

[Cheeto]

"by weakening the Demoman specifically at short range, we've created a weakness that enemies can take advantage of in combat, and makes the Demoman wary of specific enemy classes (like the Scout and Pyro)." I've always been wary of close range scouts and pyros. This change hasn't affected my play style at all.

Ya, but now its better to use your regular grenades rather than just shoot stickies at the ground.

 

[speedpop]

Ya, but now its better to use your regular grenades rather than just shoot stickies at the ground.

There are people that do that? :lol

 

[Cheeto]

There are people that do that? :lol

Hell yea, most demo players would rather shoot stickies at the ground to kill a rushing pyro then chance a miss with the skill weapon.

 

[Crab Milk Mickey]

The new bat doesn't sound too bad. Scout can't double jump anymore (I bet even when he's carrying the Scattergun or the Pistol while having The Sandman equipped) and I doubt Valve would allow it to be used that easily. Wouldn't be surprised if the Scout has to stand still for a second or two while trying to launch a ball at someone, either.

I do wonder whether it'll be slightly stronger or weaker than the regular bat when wielding it as a melee weapon. They haven't mentioned that in its update. I'm also guessing that today's update is going to unveil a new official (made by Valve in other words) map.

 

[Azure Dream]

There are people that do that? :lol

Yes. Yes there are. And most of the time the demo would survive it while gibbing the class rushing them.

I had thought in recent days that stickies needed a sort of prime time to get to full damage, but apparently the game already includes it with a distance modifier (shutting it off after 5 seconds), so this is probably a good step.

Do people feel there are any other classes that still need a little polishing? I'm starting to feel like there needs to be an added complexity to sniping, too many career snipers have a frightening level of control over an entire opposing team now. I hate playing on maps like Turbine because of it.

 

[Capndrake]

http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/watchtower_and_junction.htm

Community maps: arena_watchtower and cp_junction.

Ehh, not too happy with those picks. Watchtower is way too big and Junction's final point is impossible to take for BLU.

 

[Cheeto]

Yes. Yes there are. And most of the time the demo would survive it while gibbing the class rushing them.

I had thought in recent days that stickies needed a sort of prime time to get to full damage, but apparently the game already includes it with a distance modifier (shutting it off after 5 seconds), so this is probably a good step.

Do people feel there are any other classes that still need a little polishing? I'm starting to feel like there needs to be an added complexity to sniping, too many career snipers have a frightening level of control over an entire opposing team now. I hate playing on maps like Turbine because of it.

Sniper can be too good, but it's really up to the map. A great sniper can be just as dangerous as a great [any other class]...but some maps make it too easy to snipe, that's the problem.

On a un-related note: did anyone notice that they overhauled the official wiki for TF2 level creation? Pretty cool, don't know when they did it.
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Team_Fortress_2_Level_Creation

 

[Crab Milk Mickey]

Haven't played any of those maps (haven't touched Arena ever since the Heavy Update even), but I'll give 'em a try. Would've preferred pl_great_heights to become a standard map, but I don't think that one's been finished yet anyway. Maybe for the next class update...