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Team Fortress 2 Official PC Thread. SO. WORTH. IT.
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I was on there Sunday night with Java and Kuro. I rarely have much fun on 32 man servers for very long, surprisingly, but the fast respawn did eat into things like Dustbowl. Surprisingly, it was one good uber run that sealed it.
On the patch notes:
Updated the "Big Pharma" (Medic) and "Division of Labor" (Heavy) achievements to be 10 kills in a single life
Used to be that you needed 20. Feel like this is too easy to get now. I saw this as one of those "You are now awesome at this class" achievements, but I guess like Blast Assist/S*M*A*S*H and the Demoman one, it's more dependent on your opponents than you'd think so they wanted it to only take a little bit more than normal play will naturally earn.
Added some new recipes
Let me know when these are discovered.
Updated the "Ubi concordia, ibi victoria" Medic achievement to only be 3 assists
Used to be 5. Too easy. You could get this quick on Badwater.
Updated the Gunboats to absorb damage from any self-inflicted rocket blast that doesn't hurt another player
Updated the Scottish Resistance to detonate bombs near the player's feet (in addition to what it normally detonates). This enables sticky jumping with this weapon
People are going to love these.
Recipes can no longer produce items matching any of the items used in the crafting
Added an "equipped" tag to currently equipped items in the Backpack and Crafting screens
Thank you. I almost made two horrible mistakes because these weren't already in. I'm glad they were almost mistakes.
Capped the amount of overhealing from taking heads to the player's max buffed health
Was it because it was overpowered or unintentional?
On the patch notes:
Updated the "Big Pharma" (Medic) and "Division of Labor" (Heavy) achievements to be 10 kills in a single life
Used to be that you needed 20. Feel like this is too easy to get now. I saw this as one of those "You are now awesome at this class" achievements, but I guess like Blast Assist/S*M*A*S*H and the Demoman one, it's more dependent on your opponents than you'd think so they wanted it to only take a little bit more than normal play will naturally earn.
Added some new recipes
Let me know when these are discovered.
Updated the "Ubi concordia, ibi victoria" Medic achievement to only be 3 assists
Used to be 5. Too easy. You could get this quick on Badwater.
Updated the Gunboats to absorb damage from any self-inflicted rocket blast that doesn't hurt another player
Updated the Scottish Resistance to detonate bombs near the player's feet (in addition to what it normally detonates). This enables sticky jumping with this weapon
People are going to love these.
Recipes can no longer produce items matching any of the items used in the crafting
Added an "equipped" tag to currently equipped items in the Backpack and Crafting screens
Thank you. I almost made two horrible mistakes because these weren't already in. I'm glad they were almost mistakes.
Capped the amount of overhealing from taking heads to the player's max buffed health
Was it because it was overpowered or unintentional?
gottalovetheglove
Member
Both, I think. What could happen (I'd used it on tr_walkway to test things out) was that the effect wouldn't cap, but once it reached a certain point, around 500 or something, it'd 'reset' back to 10 and then drain health like an overcharge. Thing is, it didn't actually reset, the game just couldn't handle the numbers past that point and it just restarted the health counter.Proven said:
Crab Milk Mickey
Member
Already got those when they were at 20, so no biggie for me. So fun wrecking shop as a Heavy with a Medic who knows how to dodge.Proven said:
I remember once playing with someone, I think it was Twig, on a harvest map. I have this image of a little crying bowser guy trolling NeoGAF all the time, and then he's all DEEP VOICE YELLING! INSULT! YOU SUCK! GO HOME AND CRY TO YOUR MOMMA! SHUT UP!TheOneGuy said:
It was this huge scary impressive deep-voiced persona coming over the microphone, and I was terrified.
Blizzard said:I remember once playing with someone, I think it was Twig, on a harvest map. I have this image of a little crying bowser guy trolling NeoGAF all the time, and then he's all DEEP VOICE YELLING! INSULT! YOU SUCK! GO HOME AND CRY TO YOUR MOMMA! SHUT UP!
It was this huge scary impressive deep-voiced persona coming over the microphone, and I was terrified.
...I may stay away from F7 until his mic breaks then.
:lolBlizzard said:I remember once playing with someone, I think it was Twig, on a harvest map. I have this image of a little crying bowser guy trolling NeoGAF all the time, and then he's all DEEP VOICE YELLING! INSULT! YOU SUCK! GO HOME AND CRY TO YOUR MOMMA! SHUT UP!
It was this huge scary impressive deep-voiced persona coming over the microphone, and I was terrified.
:lol :lol
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
My team sucks. waaaaaah!Volcynika said:
EmCeeGramr
Member
In case you guys wanted to know the new recipes:
Rebuild Class Token: Class Token + Weapon = [Weapon's Class] Token
ex., Spy Token + Equalizer = Soldier Token
Rebuild Slot Token: Slot Token + Weapon = [Weapon's Slot] Token
ex., Melee Slot Token + Natascha = Primary Slot Token
brb, crafting direct hit
Rebuild Class Token: Class Token + Weapon = [Weapon's Class] Token
ex., Spy Token + Equalizer = Soldier Token
Rebuild Slot Token: Slot Token + Weapon = [Weapon's Slot] Token
ex., Melee Slot Token + Natascha = Primary Slot Token
brb, crafting direct hit
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
EmCeeGramr said:
Hmm...finally I can haz my direct hitz revenge!
EmCeeGramr
Member
Boo, I have three Gunboats but they can't be crafted with a token into a Soldier token.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Finally crafted the direct hit. Christ! I really hate playing against people with this weapon and now I know why!
I really hope they nerf this a little bit...maybe decrease the damage a little and up the splash a bit or something.
I really hope they nerf this a little bit...maybe decrease the damage a little and up the splash a bit or something.
ZombieSupaStar
Member
dead ringer spies can suck my fucking dick jesus christ I cant stand them as an engie, not because they actually do anything useful but you know baby sitting all my shit while I kill the same aspergers having donkey fuck 20 times in 2 minutes it gets fucking annoying.
Kuro Madoushi
Unconfirmed Member
Spy is just doing his job, otherwise, the defending team can just turtle and it gets monotonous for the attacking team. It's really your team that's failing. Usually, a good teammate will do a bit of spy checking while they're using your shit. Or, if you're defending and on the last point, they'll just go around randomly attacking til someone pushes and they're off.ZombieSupaStar said:
I've seen good spy checkers enough times...tho I've also seen a lot of dumbass pyros also standing there, charging their ammo, and pull out their fucking ax when they see my shit being sapped.:lol
MrPing1000
Member
out of the park is impossible to get in normal play.
And I can't help feel that Scouts have gotten the short stick.
Their unlocks just seem so wimpy compared to others.
Force of nature, dunno how I'd change that, but the drink I'd up the length of time it lasts and allow u to use your bat.
Sandman, I'd remove the health penalty and leave it as it is, but make the aluminium bat have the same crit behaviour as the engineer's wrench.
And I can't help feel that Scouts have gotten the short stick.
Their unlocks just seem so wimpy compared to others.
Force of nature, dunno how I'd change that, but the drink I'd up the length of time it lasts and allow u to use your bat.
Sandman, I'd remove the health penalty and leave it as it is, but make the aluminium bat have the same crit behaviour as the engineer's wrench.
I don't really know how one could be so terrified of such a boring, monotone voice! He's clearly a robot.Blizzard said:I remember once playing with someone, I think it was Twig, on a harvest map. I have this image of a little crying bowser guy trolling NeoGAF all the time, and then he's all DEEP VOICE YELLING! INSULT! YOU SUCK! GO HOME AND CRY TO YOUR MOMMA! SHUT UP!
It was this huge scary impressive deep-voiced persona coming over the microphone, and I was terrified.
Azure Dream
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I feel the Dead Ringer pain. It's so irritating to "kill" someone over, and over, and over, and know you're barely taking of just a few percent of their HP each time. They can switch it on and off nearly instantly between weapon shots (normal Spies don't get instant cloaks, I know someone's going to lecture me why they need the DR to be so fast, but if the spy is actively shooting his gun at someone, there needs to be a pause before he can activate it again), and if they get any metal or delay their death after decloak for about two seconds, they can do it all over again. God forbid they get one of those tiny health bottles that are usually by the metal, or they're completely set. :lol
Playing spy is hard, playing spy without a cloak is even harder. I'm not contesting that. But some people use the abusable quirks of the Dead Ringer way too much, and it's tiring to play against. It's not clever, it just means no matter how many times you kill them, they're four steps away from you again, and all they have to do is kill you once and you're back to running all the way from spawn again, usually because the teleporter's unsurprisingly broken by now.
And yes, I'm sure this is really just about me and everyone else on the servers I play on being absolutely terrible and failures for not being able to successfully gun down DRs with a thousand HP and always know where they're going while cloaked. So don't worry if that was your response, you're covered. Truthfully I don't hold my skills up onto some high tier, I'm a mediocre shot at best on the PC. But too many of the times I've seen DR Spy situations that remind me of the Demo stickies on the 360 version, where groups of people stop dead and focus on this one irritating hazard that can't be ignored, well away from the front lines. That's a sign to me it's not just a personal frustration.
I was thinking two different drinks, like Bonk and Blur (or "Woosh" or something ). Bonk works the same, except there's no push-back effect from weapons and sentries. Same slowdown after drinking. Blur lasts more than twice as long, but push-back works against it, and after it wears off, the Scout is winded and stops to catch his breath for a few moments.
For added "escape plan" tactics, alt-fire tosses the Bonk can, which a Sentry will track and shoot out of the air. (Like the baseball ideas people had before) If the can bursts near the builds, they act sapped for a very short amount of time, say two or three seconds. Just enough so that if you use Bonk to get in to get the intel, you have a much better chance of being able to get back out.
All of the melee weapons normally have the same crit chance, Valve said, barring special exceptions (KGB, Eyelander, Equalizer, for a while the Sandman) and the spy knife's normal swing. It may be their sentry kills that net Engineers the extra crit chance, but it's supposedly not the wrenches.
Playing spy is hard, playing spy without a cloak is even harder. I'm not contesting that. But some people use the abusable quirks of the Dead Ringer way too much, and it's tiring to play against. It's not clever, it just means no matter how many times you kill them, they're four steps away from you again, and all they have to do is kill you once and you're back to running all the way from spawn again, usually because the teleporter's unsurprisingly broken by now.
And yes, I'm sure this is really just about me and everyone else on the servers I play on being absolutely terrible and failures for not being able to successfully gun down DRs with a thousand HP and always know where they're going while cloaked. So don't worry if that was your response, you're covered.
Truthfully I don't hold my skills up onto some high tier, I'm a mediocre shot at best on the PC. But too many of the times I've seen DR Spy situations that remind me of the Demo stickies on the 360 version, where groups of people stop dead and focus on this one irritating hazard that can't be ignored, well away from the front lines. That's a sign to me it's not just a personal frustration.MrPing1000 said:
I was thinking two different drinks, like Bonk and Blur (or "Woosh" or something ). Bonk works the same, except there's no push-back effect from weapons and sentries. Same slowdown after drinking. Blur lasts more than twice as long, but push-back works against it, and after it wears off, the Scout is winded and stops to catch his breath for a few moments.
For added "escape plan" tactics, alt-fire tosses the Bonk can, which a Sentry will track and shoot out of the air. (Like the baseball ideas people had before) If the can bursts near the builds, they act sapped for a very short amount of time, say two or three seconds. Just enough so that if you use Bonk to get in to get the intel, you have a much better chance of being able to get back out.
MrPing1000 said:
All of the melee weapons normally have the same crit chance, Valve said, barring special exceptions (KGB, Eyelander, Equalizer, for a while the Sandman) and the spy knife's normal swing. It may be their sentry kills that net Engineers the extra crit chance, but it's supposedly not the wrenches.
For those not in the know, in one of the blog posts explaining crit chance, they explicitly said that the Medic gets added crit chance based on the damage dealt from his patients, and the Engineer gets added crit chance from the damage his sentry does. This allows all the classes to have high crit chances on their weapons, especially melee, if they're doing well.
I haven't played since the last update.. due to.. hardware issues. We went all out and ordered a custom PC from NCIX, but they've had some delays with the system thanks to the holidays and lack of notifying us of a backorder (it was in when we ordered!). But it's coming soon and I'm excited!
Just started playing again a few days ago. Any decent strategies against the horde of Eyelander-wielding Demos? Only one I can haphazardly come up with atm is that they absolutely suck against Heavies. Nothing sweeter than knocking the shit out of a charging Demo with a crit KGB punch.
It depends on your class experience. Heavies and Sniper have the easiest time against them, but everyone is getting better at fighting them with their preferred classes that it's not as much of a problem. Pyro is my preferred and now I don't even have to pull out the shotgun to beat them. Other than that charge, they've got nothing to help in close combat, as my flames out reach their swing (at least I think so?) and like a Dead Ringer I can just airblast them away from my teammates while setting them on fire, and usually my teammates will see the large, loud, and angry sword wielding demoman and shoot him too.
I've seen Soldiers take this opportunity to master multi airshots. Fact is, treat them like spun up Heavies. Deadly at close range, but you can pop them around and keep them in one place for everyone to focus on.
The wonderful thing about this update is that even with more combat classes, the update weapons aren't spammy, so I'm only getting frustrated when I'm consistently playing against better players/teams.
My only dislike is that just about every server that isn't a 30-man server has been clearing out more often. 'Pro' people dislike the update, maps and all (except for the Direct Hit of course) and this causes a lot of my favorite servers to be sparse. My biggest problem with sparseness is that you lose a lot of team aspect and it becomes more deathmatchy, plus the only thing keeping Scouts from becoming the strongest class in the game is large groups.
I've seen Soldiers take this opportunity to master multi airshots. Fact is, treat them like spun up Heavies. Deadly at close range, but you can pop them around and keep them in one place for everyone to focus on.
The wonderful thing about this update is that even with more combat classes, the update weapons aren't spammy, so I'm only getting frustrated when I'm consistently playing against better players/teams.
My only dislike is that just about every server that isn't a 30-man server has been clearing out more often. 'Pro' people dislike the update, maps and all (except for the Direct Hit of course) and this causes a lot of my favorite servers to be sparse. My biggest problem with sparseness is that you lose a lot of team aspect and it becomes more deathmatchy, plus the only thing keeping Scouts from becoming the strongest class in the game is large groups.
This is something I'm incredibly worried about. It'd be nice if they could "tag" down a certain weapon you always wanted to keep within your inventory, something similar to how they did it with the normal weapons for all classes.Won said:Damn, my Ubersaw is gone and I have no clue how I lost it. I always paid attention to what I use in crafting. Well, no more medic for me for now.
Crab Milk Mickey
Member
Not saying this in a condescending manner, but any class that has regular bullets can take down an Chargin' Demoman with relative ease. It also helps if you have some sort of weapon that can juggle 'em. All you need to do as a Soldier for instance: shoot a rocket at his feet once or twice, then proceed to wear him down with your shotgun.speedpop said:
Hazaro said:
They already put an "equipped" sign in their last bug fix patch, but I don't remember if there's a warning.
Honestly though, if you're the type of person that likes to switch between loadouts a lot, it doesn't really help if the last time you played you unequipped something and then end up crafting and forgetting...
The only real system I could see working is allow milestone unlocked weapons to never be crafted, but it'd ruin some of the risk/reward of the system.
Azure Dream
Member
Predictable complaining...
The bot updates sound impressive. I particularly like the cleverness of this aspect:
It's really hard to deny at this point that the Scout update was the biggest clusterfuck of all the updates so far. :lol They're still tweaking the weapons in significant ways. And they still haven't touched Bonk yet.
I'm not clear on this, does this mean that a DR spy can now only recharge 35% of his cloak bar while cloaked total, or is this per ammo box cloaked and uncloaked both?
The bot updates sound impressive. I particularly like the cleverness of this aspect:
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