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[spekkeh]

did you actually read it?

Yes, it depicts nice stories that nobody knows anything about.

Oh wait you're Ahmaddiyya. I'm not sure why you're even in this thread, it's pretty clear your sect is quite different from the people shooting up Hebdo.

 

[Irminsul]

One of the German public broadcasters just started like this in their main newscast:

"We are Charlie"

 

[That1BlackGuy]

My prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, RIP.

 

[commedieu]

One of the German public broadcasters just started like this in their main newscast:

"We are Charlie"

I'm loving this, as they will just create a bigger force to destroy them(extremists) if they try to intimidate Everyone.

I don't like Maher. I think he's a bigot based on some of his past actions. But I do agree that a religious person should be okay with someone's right to live and criticize or make fun of your beliefs (emphasis on right to live. Also you don't have to be okay with the joke or what they are saying).. Even if you find it offensive or blasphemous. You could not endrose the joke. But someone having the right to live and be able to speak badly about your beliefs should be a given.

I think the issue he takes is that some religious people aren't okay with someone making fun of their religion. They might not be extremists that kill people. But they also think that someone being blasphemous brought it on themselves. It's the idea that your religious views can't be talked about without someone being met with violence that is crazy in a modern society.

Edit: I'm not 100% knowledgable on Islam. Is it blasphemous to depict their prophet? Or is that just social tradition? Or is it in the actual holy text? That is the issue with religious beliefs and them clashing with a modern society. Things like free speech or freedom to not hold the same religious views as others, might not be compatible with certain religious views.

Like if one were to really believe that depicting a prophet in image is a major crime, then that's the issue since someone doing so then is committing an ultimate sin for humanity and the belief is that they should be punished. So how does beliefs like that, supposed to work with a modern society and modern laws?

I feel like Jesus and the New Testament kind of lays the ground work that works well with a modern society. In that a lot of things that were once barbaric or acceptable, now get trumped by the New Testament. I'm an atheist though, so I'm probably talking nonsense.

Its off limits to portray the prophet. Nah, not talking nonsense. I'm in the same boat, minus a hate for GOD. I think there is something that created all the universes. Thats my god. Religions mostly speak to abiding by Caesars laws, or the LAW of the land. These extremists do nothing of the sort.

Its no different than NK attacking people for whatever they think is happening bad with their Dear Leader. We can't abide by terrorists will, as its thirst is never quenched.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Yes, it depicts nice stories that nobody knows anything about.

Oh wait you're Ahmaddiyya. I'm not sure why you're even in this thread, the same people shooting up Hebdo would happily shoot up your sect too.

well if you read it, its from dozens of sources spread across the 10 pages of the 1 story, so apparently there are dozens of sources which have talked about it, which means people DO know something about it. Why would people want to ignore the story. Everyone.
should read it.

Yes and if those terrorrorists kill me or people of my sect, they( people of my sect) or me are martyrs of islam for defending Islam. THAT is true islam not these wimps who kill

 

[chadskin]

#BREAKING: Paris Deputy Mayor tells @CNN that #CharlieHebdo gunmen may have been arrested. 2 of them are brothers. All 3 have been id'd

The Guardian citing “police source”, says all three paris attackers have been arrested http://t.co/MNmfzXrfZ0

Increasingly looks like it's true. Keep your fingers crossed.

 

[Fenderputty]

And once again, it makes no difference to the point he was making. It does seem to be a questionable point, but these fucking weak attempts at rebuttals are even worse.

I wasn't rebutting him. I actually agree with Maher. I'm calling him out as an opportunist.

 

[Funky Papa]

That hasn't been my experience at all with the Muslims I've met in London. They've been very liberal.

There's the occasional street preacher who comes across as a little too devout, but it's no different from a devout using a loudspeaker to shout that the end is coming and that we must repent our sins.

I'd personally like street preaching to be banned, but freedom of speech. Fuckers have ruined every single one of my lunch hours this week with their drivel.

There's Hizb ut-Tahrir, which aims to stablish a Caliphate and wants to see sharia law in the UK. We had a couple of notorious gaffers defending them, including kobashi100 (now banned) and Zapages.

 

[Mael]

its giving a historical story of the events of the one person from at least 50 sources across 10 pages including hadith and historical books. which do you trust, a wiki post or this. lol

Well I'd take the one with actual sourcing and dismiss the religious claptrap as religious stuffs that has little bearing on what actually happened.
The reason we may choose to trust wiki or not comes from the quality of the articles, sourcing and everything.
if you're showing me book of the life of L Ron Hubbard from a fondation trying to spread Scientology I'll tend to dismiss it offhand even if it might be accurate technically.

e: I can't tell how incredibly proud I am of the reaction of the media and the great show of support.
I'm also crossing my fingers so that the *expletive* are finally caught and sent to a lonely jail to rot...
It's at times like this that we kinda miss making Guyana liveable.

 

[Xando]

One of the German public broadcasters just started like this in their main newscast:

"We are Charlie"

This is great. We can't let them win.

 

[MacNille]

<3

Hell would probably freeze over before Swedish media would show such support. Prove me wrong.

You are right, I'm afraid. The journalist here are too gutless to do it.

 

[WeAreStarStuff]

Absolutely awful. I wish humanity would grow the hell up and evolve from the foolishness that is religion.

 

[Maninthemirror]

Well I'd take the one with actual sourcing and dismiss the religious claptrap as religious stuffs that has little bearing on what actually happened.
The reason we may choose to trust wiki or not comes from the quality of the articles, sourcing and everything.
if you're showing me book of the life of L Ron Hubbard from a fondation trying to spread Scientology I'll tend to dismiss it offhand even if it might be accurate technically.

the sourcing is coming from hadith (you know the book Bill Maher and Sam harris also reference to criticisize Islam?) and historical book all the way from 1400 to now. And this is a biography

 

[ComputerMKII]

Increasingly looks like it's true. Keep your fingers crossed.

Please don't be bullshit.

 

[Megasoum]

One of the German public broadcasters just started like this in their main newscast:

"We are Charlie"

This is a great move....

On a sidenote this is one terrible green screen set.

 

[Corronchilejano]

How did they manage to aprehend 3 heavily armed fugitives? Did they just surrender?

 

[His Majesty]

There's Hizb ut-Tahrir, which aims to stablish a Caliphate and wants to see sharia law in the UK. We had a couple of notorious gaffers defending them, including kobashi100 (now banned) and Zapages.

We've also got some of those nutjobs here, call themselves Shariah4Belgium. They're pretty succesful too seeing as how Belgium is relatively seen the best represented among Syria fighters.

 

[MrKaepora]

"Making use of freedom of expression... to humiliate the monotheistic religions and their values and symbols is unacceptable," Ms Afkham said.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

You're the joke. What aboutism is so irrelevant. It's not a defense of bad behavior to point out other bad behavior. Especially that which is hundreds of years old.

The point was not to defend bad behavior but to point out the ridiculousness in saying these people are no different than religions main figure. That's like putting the pope in the same group of murderers and rapists who also happen to be christian.

 

[Funky Papa]

Increasingly looks like it's true. Keep your fingers crossed.

GOOD.

What worries me is that they seemed rather proficient with their weapons. I'm betting they are battle hardened militants returned to France, or at very least trained by people with military experience.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Increasingly looks like it's true. Keep your fingers crossed.

Can we talk about this? The news?

"Spin off the is Islam evil" to another thread. Didn't they do that with the Ukraine thread when it decended to "which is worse Russia or US"? GAF is often a great news arigator but its impossible to read this thread now

 

[Deleted member 17706]

How did they manage to aprehend 3 heavily armed fugitives? Did they just surrender?

One would imagine that, if they actually attempted to escape, they would have ditched their gear or hid it somewhere along the way. Unless they planned to die in a firefight, there was probably a moment where they were unarmed.

 

[Frodo]

Increasingly looks like it's true. Keep your fingers crossed.

By God/Allah/Buddha/Ganesha I hope this is true.

 

[fabricated backlash]

The point was not to defend bad behavior but to point out the ridiculousness in saying these people are no different than religions main figure. That's like putting the pope in the same group of murderers and rapists who also happen to be christian.

Which pope?

 

[Irminsul]

On a sidenote this is one terrible green screen set.

It's actually not a green screen. It's really a big room with wooden floor and a giant wide screen at the back.

 

[Gormless Noodle]

Increasingly looks like it's true. Keep your fingers crossed.

I'm also seeing reports that these people fought in Syria. Would explain their handling of weaponry IF true at least.

 

[Mael]

the sourcing is coming from hadith (you know the book Bill Maher and Sam harris also reference to criticisize Islam?) and historical book all the way from 1400 to now.

That's still doesn't explain your point at all or whatever is that you're trying to say.

MrKaepora, that's a fantastic drawing!

 

[smokeandmirrors]

One of the German public broadcasters just started like this in their main newscast:

"We are Charlie"

It really says a lot about how much the world has changed in the last century. 100 years ago France and Germany were locked in war as was the rest of Europe.

idk i know there's a lot going on but it helps me stay optimistic about the future seeing stuff like this.

 

[Valhelm]

Absolutely awful. I wish humanity would grow the hell up and evolve from the foolishness that is religion.

It's happening. Even this brand of Wahhabism is reactionary, in response to Ottoman/European secularism and colonialism. It will die down once the Middle East becomes more prosperous and better-educated.

 

[Megasoum]

It's actually not a green screen. It's really a big room with wooden floor and a giant wide screen at the back.

Wait... really?

There's something weird going on at her feet...

Anyway, back to main subject.

 

[IcyBlueStrawberry]

This is a great move....

On a sidenote this is one terrible green screen set.

I actually thought the room looked cool.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

It really says a lot about how much the world has changed in the last century. 100 years ago France and Germany were locked in war as was the rest of Europe.

idk i know there's a lot going on but it helps me stay optimistic about the future seeing stuff like this.

It should. The stuff that devides us is much smaller .

European, American and even Chinese and Middle Eastern lives are increasingly similar.

 

[Mael]

GOOD.

What worries me is that they seemed rather proficient with their weapons. I'm betting they are battle hardened militants returned to France, or at very least trained by people with military experience.

Well here goes our involvement in the whole middle east crap....

 

[Maninthemirror]

That's still doesn't explain your point at all or whatever is that you're trying to say.

MrKaepora, that's a fantastic drawing!

The point is the poster said the common misconception that the founder of Islam had a peaceful person murdered and try to garnish that person by saying oh he was a poet, muhammad killed a poor poet.

Then you actually READ the story and you realize how people try to mislead people into hating the belief of 1.6 billion people

 

[Xcellere]

But she renewed Iranian criticism of the magazine's decision to reprint 12 cartoons of Mohammed published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in a statement for freedom of expression.

"Making use of freedom of expression... to humiliate the monotheistic religions and their values and symbols is unacceptable," Ms Afkham said.

Go fuck yourself lady. That's not a condemnation, that's an affirmation.

"We condemn these attacks, but totally get why they happened wink wink nudge nudge."

 

[Funky Papa]

I'm also seeing reports that these people fought in Syria. Would explain their handling of weaponry IF true at least.

Heads are going to (SHOULD) roll if the DCRI had prior information on them and didn't put them under surveilance...

 

[Nibel]

Increasingly looks like it's true. Keep your fingers crossed.

Please be true.

 

[CheDominik]

It's actually not a green screen. It's really a big room with wooden floor and a giant wide screen at the back.

Yeah I mean we pay good money for their funding scheme they can afford a wooden floor.

But I'm really disappointed in the lack of support showings by the Anglo-American media. I mean they even censored the caricature for fucks sake.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Afghan cartoon condemns Paris terror attack: Terrorists slaughtering freedom of speech.

 

[kingocfs]

Just saw these videos. Geez, man. It's hard to understand stuff like this.

 

[Wyndstryker]

Wait... really?

There's something weird going on at her feet...

Anyway, back to main subject.

4 light sources drawing 4 shadows tend to make things look weird.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

It's happening. Even this brand of Wahhabism is reactionary, in response to Ottoman/European secularism and colonialism. It will die down once the Middle East becomes more prosperous and better-educated.

I actually believe the opposite: oil has to dry out and Saudi Arabia needs to become poor again for the most extreme elements of Islam to die out. Saudi Arabia funds extremist schools throughout the Islamic World in countries where they can't afford to build their own schools.

Also Saudi Arabia sort of spearheaded this "depicting Muhammed in art is idolatry" thing. They banned his pictures, the buildings he lived/prayed in, his articles of clothing etc.

 

[Jisgsaw]

On a sidenote this is one terrible green screen set.

You can't test Germany's biggest channel.

Spoiler

I liked their old set more. And the music at the start of the news.

Berlin's daily newspaper BZ tomorrow:

That may be the best yet IMO. Wow.

That's really a nice one.

 

[King_Moc]

How did they manage to aprehend 3 heavily armed fugitives? Did they just surrender?

I imagine it turns out that when they're opposition was even more heavily armed they turned out to be pathetic cowards.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Which pope?

The pope that's around today.

 

[gohepcat]

did you actually read it?

Ha. Funny thing is I loaded the site and randomly scrolled to a page....first thing I read is something about how to keep your slaves and how to treat women (pg 229)

 

[elrechazado]

Go fuck yourself lady. That's not a condemnation, that's an affirmation.

"We condemn these attacks, but totally get why they happened wink wink nudge nudge."

Also just noticed they are apparently cool with satirizing the polytheistic religions. Hypocritical garbage in multiple ways.

 

[Funky Papa]

I imagine it turns out that when they're opposition was even more heavily they turned out to be pathetic cowards.

Or they just got them with their guard lowered. It's not like they can stay alert 24/7.

 

[Xando]

It really says a lot about how much the world has changed in the last century. 100 years ago France and Germany were locked in war as was the rest of Europe.

idk i know there's a lot going on but it helps me stay optimistic about the future seeing stuff like this.

Yeah it's great to see our nations side by side 100 years after World war 1 even for so terrible circumstances.

 

[Trey]

Absolutely awful. I wish humanity would grow the hell up and evolve from the foolishness that is religion.

I would prefer humanity to grow out of the habit of people murdering people.