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Terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo magazine. 12 dead. 11 wounded.
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Please, France. Do not start this.
I know we are all angry now, but let's not sink to the level of terrorists.
There is a discussion to be had. Hurting more people (completely unrelated to what happened) is not the answer.
I don't think I should have to explain that ∃x P(x) ≠ ∀x P(x)
Funky Papa
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Shameful. Just as expected.
FlyingSaucer
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The policewoman is dead, according to Le Figaro 
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«Parce qu'ils n'aiment personne, ils croient qu'ils aiment Dieu.» Charles Péguy.
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«Parce qu'ils n'aiment personne, ils croient qu'ils aiment Dieu.» Charles Péguy.
Marvel
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The policewoman is dead, according to Le Figaro
Fuck.
The policewoman is dead, according to Le Figaro
AFP confirms, citing police sources. Terrible.
What in the world is happening? Bad enough that there as attack on the magazine now attacks are happening elsewhere?
Considering that there were three attempts in Sweden last week to burn Mosques I'm not surprised that attacks like those happened.
Considering that there were three attempts in Sweden last week to burn Mosques I'm not surprised that attacks like those happened.
Opus Angelorum
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BBC News said:
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Palette Swap
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I'm having a hard time following all the stuff that is happening right now:
- In Montrouge (south Parisian suburb), a policewoman checking on a traffic accident was shot dead by a heavily armed suspect, who is still on the loose. She was just confirmed dead.
- Near Lyon this morning, there was an explosion in a kebab restaurant near a mosque.
- Near Le Mans last night a grenade exploded at a mosque, while three were left undetonated.
Is this right?
Man, this is all so fucked up.
Edit because it always bears saying it: my thoughts and condolences go to the policewoman and her family and friends.
- In Montrouge (south Parisian suburb), a policewoman checking on a traffic accident was shot dead by a heavily armed suspect, who is still on the loose. She was just confirmed dead.
- Near Lyon this morning, there was an explosion in a kebab restaurant near a mosque.
- Near Le Mans last night a grenade exploded at a mosque, while three were left undetonated.
Is this right?
Man, this is all so fucked up.
Edit because it always bears saying it: my thoughts and condolences go to the policewoman and her family and friends.
A second shooting happened earlier today, south of Paris. A policewoman involved in the shooting has reportedly died.
After the attack the perpetrators fled, switching and hijacking vehicles. Someone turned himself in but it turned out because he had the same name as one of the attackers and wanted to clear himself. There were other attacks on police though it's unknown if they're related to this case or not. Some people seem to also have decided to retaliate by attacking mosques.
Apparently a municipal worker (not sure what kind, street sweeper or garbage man?) was also shot, when the police woman got shot, from what I have read.
Also there have been "several attacks" against mosques in France, since yesterday.
There is not formal suspicion [is that the correct term?] against the 18-year old who handed himself over after seeing his name in the media/social media.
Doczu
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Another shooting south of Paris, one policewoman dead. Bomb in a Kebab restaurant. Grenades in a Mosque, more vandalism attacks on Mosques.
Opus Angelorum
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Indeed, sounds like he has absolutely nothing to do with it and wanted to clear his name.
if French non-muslims want to further show their support of the wrongfully targeted muslim country-men & -women, they can do as the Swedish did back in December:
That's what I said in the last thread. All something like this does is make people from various cultures not trust each other and spreads xenophobia. If it wasn't for people who twist religion to benefit and support their sick and twisted views and lives I doubt us as a species would have very many problems co-existing peacefully together at all. I hate extremists and everything they do.
Also RIP to the people who died today. They died, because other people just as bad as the extremists use revenge and retaliation to incite more hatred against people who had nothing to do with what happened. Just awful, I can't imagine what it must feel like to be members of those poor people who have passed aways families, especially this close to the new year.
The government of Germany "strongly opposed" it as well.
However that was simply a fake for the public, simply because the public was strongly against it. They actually supported it (AWACS and crap) directly. And they supported it indirectly as well. Almost all of the US military crap back then and nowadays is coordinated (including uncle Obama's drone strikes) from within Germany. Without Germany US couldn't have done as much shit as they have done in the last 15 years.
Austria + Switzerland for example were the only countries, that actually denied US + UK overflight rights back then. That's not that much, but at least something.
France on the other hand actually granted overflight rights. And France was and is of course involved in Afghanistan including plenty of other countries.
https://books.google.de/books?id=iuNnSTil76IC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115#v=onepage&q&f=false
But right, it probably would have made "more sense" to do some shit like this in Germany. I mean not that it makes sense.
Oh, I see. I thought the two stories were unrelated.
ComputerMKII
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"They should've known it would upset crazy fundamentalists" is the theological equivalent of "she shouldn't have worn such a short skirt."
He's been apprehended.
Herb Alpert
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I don't use english as I would like in order to expresse how deep this stupid act of barbarism has touched me. I am literally crying tears right now.
Those people can't win. No matter how many stupid acts of killing they perpetrate, they won't win. Obscurantism can not win. Cause we are Charlie and we will stand in their way.
Those people can't win. No matter how many stupid acts of killing they perpetrate, they won't win. Obscurantism can not win. Cause we are Charlie and we will stand in their way.
Flintty
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Really? I just explained this to my wife. Freedom of speech and expression is something a lot of men died for in Europe.
People are also free to be offended but not to retaliate with violence.
That cartoon of Ganesha in an orgy with Jesus, Moses etc. is very relevant here. http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/
Special forces (RAID?) about to storm a house in southern paris.
https://twitter.com/chefreporterNRW/status/553130534793400320
https://twitter.com/chefreporterNRW/status/553130534793400320
Opus Angelorum
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Yeah I thought this was odd:
BBC said:
That would suggest the situation hasn't ended?
Herb Alpert
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Nope, there are rumours he is entrenched somewhere, but these are just rumours. He escaped from the scene.
For now, there is no confirmation there is a direct link with yesterday's attack.
The second shooter was apprehended?
Opus Angelorum
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Shit is about to go down.
Mayor of Rotterdam has reacted very tactfully to the terrorists. "If you don't like it here; fuck off and go away". He feels that any Dutch Muslim that agrees with the attacks, should just leave the country and go live somewhere else. Can't say I disagree.
He is a Muslim himself and he is from a Left party
Mass_Pincup
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Rumor:
The brothers have apparently been spotted in Picardie,(l'Aisne) in a gray clio with blacked licence plate on the highway to Paris, they are still armed.
Source: BFMTV
The brothers have apparently been spotted in Picardie,(l'Aisne) in a gray clio with blacked licence plate on the highway to Paris, they are still armed.
Source: BFMTV
thenight11
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Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP 3m3 minutes ago
#BREAKING Two armed suspects in Paris magazine shooting 'located' in north France: sources
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#BREAKING Two armed suspects in Paris magazine shooting 'located' in north France: sources
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Dark_castle
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Jesus Christ. RIP.
Well that wouldn't draw attention.
Palette Swap
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Le Monde has been super careful about him, not mentioning his name but mentioning he's apparently the brother in law of one of the 2 guys. No idea how he's implied though. In these hard times, I do appreciate that kind of carefulness (yes, I actually care about ethics in journalism)
Just got an update from Les Echos, my go to paper, that says the 2 guys have been found in Aisne.
ComputerMKII
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Le Gorafi (satirical news site): Toll Rises to 66 Million Hangovers http://www.legorafi.fr/2015/01/08/charlie-hebdo-le-bilan-salourdit-a-66-millions-de-gueules-de-bois/
FlyingSaucer
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And on a highway, to boot.
thenight11
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Live streams in case anyone needs them
http://news.sky.com/watch-live
http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/
http://www.bfmtv.com/static/static.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/live-video/
http://news.sky.com/watch-live
http://www.france24.com/en/livefeed/
http://www.bfmtv.com/static/static.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/live-video/
Seriously. It's very power. I hope they kill whoever did this. Regardless of what religion. Killing innocent people is unforigivable no matter what is the reason behind it.
lazer_bean
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this is so sad and revolting.
Those people were pacifists, some were 76 years old ffs
It's cowardice, stupidity and brainwashing that killed them
Those people were pacifists, some were 76 years old ffs
It's cowardice, stupidity and brainwashing that killed them
He's kind of missing the point. It's not about "not liking it here", it's one action in a broader war that's currently underway in a number of different places globally - Afghanistan, Syria, France.
Participants don't see it as a fight against France, in France, but rather as defending their values against Western imperialism. Yes, they're not just defending, but attempting to propagate their values, but we also attempt to propagate our values. We take a different approach though.
On a highway to Paris? Why would they go back...?
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