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[SmokyDave]

Surely, if they collectively decide to publish, there has to be a point where retaliation is beyond futile. If I had a twitter or facebook or anything to publish my terrible mspaint art I would, but I'll just rock my terrible avatar for now.

I'd wager there are more nutters willing to kill newspaper staff than there are newspaper staff willing to upset nutters.

 

[DY_nasty]

Yeah that was American media (i think NBC) citing their "intelligence sources" (Probably stole shit from twitter). French Media always denied any arrests/deaths while american media went with their "sources".

it wasn't NBC either

it was cited as french government officials (internal i think)

 

[LevelNth]

Surely, if they collectively decide to publish, there has to be a point where retaliation is beyond futile. If I had a twitter or facebook or anything to publish my terrible mspaint art I would, but I'll just rock my terrible avatar for now.

I get you, but you have to remember, this is no consolation if your paper is the next to get hit, and people die.

We all strive to not be beholden to fear, but let's not pretend that's just a switch anyone can flick on and off.

 

[Frodo]

Now now, go easy. It's not so easy a choice to make when you feel you might be putting your employees lives at risk, and Charlie Hebdo has shown it's not quite 'might'.

If all newspapers publish the images what will they do? End published media in this country? Why are we even afraid?

Today we don't publish the drawings, what will not be published tomorrow?

 

[ComputerMKII]

A lot did, and a lot didn't. I understand the frustration some might have to those who didn't, but to pretend it's not a horrifically difficult choice to make is just not fair to those who made it.

I understand not wanting to republish the cartoons when Charlie Hebdo where the only ones to do it, but a lot of newspapers are doing it all over the world, today, so I thought the decision would have become easier this time.

 

[Miles Quaritch]

What the fuck is wrong with these people. How does that make them any better than the terrorists.

The slogan "Death to Arabs" was daubed on the door of a mosque in Poitiers, central France, during the night

This doesn't even make sense. Aren't the vast majority of Muslims in France from Africa/Algeria?

 

[spekkeh]

That's a very fair point.

But the way that Islam views imagery and the way Christianity does differ. The reactions of people from one group and another will necessarily be different. You're also, as a Catholic, not obliged to condemn every time a Catholic priest molests a child because it's understood the actions of the individual don't reflect your own personal beliefs.

There's an argument to be made that the reason Christianity views imagery differently is because of a long history of ridicule. Blasphemy was a capital crime over here too before that.

The reason why the priests-pedophile association is made so often is also because of religious doctrines.

 

[FiggyCal]

This doesn't even make sense. Aren't the vast majority of Muslims in France from Africa/Algeria?

The type of people that would do something like that are also not the types to actually be informed about other cultures.

Edit: :X I was assuming you were right...

 

[UnluckyKate]

This doesn't even make sense. Aren't the vast majority of Muslims in France from Africa/Algeria?

I wound say majority is from magrheb (Algeria Tunisia morocco)

 

[Stereogatari]

This doesn't even make sense. Aren't the vast majority of Muslims in France from Africa/Algeria?

North Africa is Arabic speaking, some people there identify as Arab and many have a dual Arab/Berber identity.

 

[spekkeh]

This doesn't even make sense. Aren't the vast majority of Muslims in France from Africa/Algeria?

Why doesn't that make sense? You mean it should have been death to arabs and/or berbers (cross what doesn't apply)?

 

[MacNille]

So some newspaper have the shooting of the police officer on their frontpage instead of the cartoons. Disgusting I think.

 

[| Praxis |]

One of the killed employees was a muslim called Mustafa.

So yeah just showing that this isn't a fight between " muslims " and " the rest ". Same shit with Merah 2 years ago. The guy killed a french muslim soldier saying he was a traitor. But the media focused on the two jewish kids he killed and didn't give a fuck about the soldiers ...

They focused on the two children killed because they were children, as callous as it is to say it, any soldier knows they're a possible target, in uniform or out of it. It's the nature of the job, something I think in Britain we understand a bit more because of the problems we had with the I.R.A. Not saying his death was less of tragedy, but those kids were just going to school, the soldier made a conscious decision to have a dangerous job. I don't know what to say to you if you can't see the difference.

 

[Sickboy007]

So some newspaper have the shooting of the police officer on their frontpage instead of the cartoons. Disgusting I think.

Most of them actually. Weak.

 

[Kup]

My ONE hope for the UK press lies with the next issue of Private Eye...

My thoughts exactly... I walk past their small office in Soho and they always have a large print of the latest issue in the window. I am expecting to see something about this soon (I hope they do something).

 

[maquiladora]

So some newspaper have the shooting of the police officer on their frontpage instead of the cartoons. Disgusting I think.

Yes, somehow a cartoon depiction of a character from a book is far more offensive and controversial than an image of a real man being executed in cold blood in the street.

 

[Klyka]

Yes, somehow a cartoon depiction of a character from a book is far more offensive and controversial than an image of a real man being executed in cold blood in the street.

It's cause millions of people don't believe in the dead police officer offering them an afterlife if they just follow his words

Which, btw, I think were pretty great words to follow: "Non, it's all good chief" should be something way more people follow throughout their lives.

 

[Arksy]

Britain, the birthplace of constitutional liberty. The birthplace of freedom of speech. The birthplace of parliamentary democracy.

What a shadow of their former selves.

 

[Xando]

Assault vehicles now in use in Crépy-en-Valois

https://twitter.com/Marsattaqueblog/status/553199605957939200

 

[Flintty]

Yes, somehow a cartoon depiction of a character from a book is far more offensive and controversial than an image of a real man being executed in cold blood in the street.

Fuck the British press, I am ashamed.

All press mediums and outlets should be united in showing the cartoons. I am angered.

 

[Always-honest]

Yes, somehow a cartoon depiction of a character from a book is far more offensive and controversial than an image of a real man being executed in cold blood in the street.

Have you guys seen those conspiracy theory vids by the way? Where some dude says it's all staged because there was no blood or brain on the pavement when the officer was executed.

 

[Stereogatari]

Have you guys seen those conspiracy theory vids by the way? Where some dude says it's all staged because there was no blood or brain on the pavement when the officer was executed.

Ahhhh yes, the school of movies/video games/tv shows = real life.

 

[Always-honest]

Ahhhh yes, the school of movies/video games/tv shows = real life.

Indeed.

 

[Mimosa97]

They focused on the two children killed because they were children, as callous as it is to say it, any soldier knows they're a possible target, in uniform or out of it. It's the nature of the job, something I think in Britain we understand a bit more because of the problems we had with the I.R.A. Not saying his death was less of tragedy, but those kids were just going to school, the soldier made a conscious decision to have a dangerous job. I don't know what to say to you if you can't see the difference.

I understand the difference and i cried when i heard about the three dead children. And it's normal to focus more on the dead children but you don't really understand what I'm trying to say here. All we heard about in the medias in the next months were leaders of the jewish community talking about those dead jewish kids, nobody gave a fuck about the families of the dead soldiers, until finally the mother of the muslim dead soldier made her voice heard and other families followed and started talking in the newspaper and some of them got invited on tv shows. And yeah those same families said they felt really hurt than even the french government didn't really care about them and their dead sons. Same thing for the medias. You need to understand that when talking about the whole situation, the medias would just say " Mohamed Merah who murdered 2 jewish kids " when in fact whe murdered 7 people including 3 kids.

I'm not blaming the jewish leaders, i'm not blaming anyone involved in that horrible tragedy, I'm blaming the media who didn't try to depict this tragedy for what it was. They only focused on the anti-semitic aspect and what it meant for french jews to be the target of a terrorist, because it's what got them the biggest audience.

 

[Prine]

Fuck the British press, I am ashamed.

All press mediums and outlets should be united in showing the cartoons. I am angered.

Remain angered, publishing wouldnt do any good but raise the threat levels for everyone including muslims. And we have a serious threat with ISIS at the moment, this wouldnt help, especially how we're engaged with muslim countries against ISIS. More recruits for them possibly.

 

[chadskin]

Figaro reports a man armed with a screwdriver tried to gain access to the editorial office of the "Valeurs Actuelles" magazine. He was surprised by two police offers and fled but was quicky caught. Police reportedly found several screwdrivers on him.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fr...rect-Charlie-Hebdo-Paris-fusillade.php#125012

 

[Hanmik]

this has probably been posted allready.. but here are 76 cartoons in honor of #CharlieHebdo #JesuisCharlie

https://storify.com/RebeccaAguilar/cartoonist-unite-in-tribute-charliehebdo-jesuischa

 

[captainnapalm]

It would be nice if one of these incidents can finally lead to the West and its media to actually take stock of what it has been doing in the Middle East, how it has contributed to this problem. Instead, it only leads to the kneejerk "fight the terrorist" "the muslim is our enemy" stuff that those in charge have been using to justify their dirty work for the last 15 years. And all the right wing hate mongers and the bigots can come crawling out and say "I told you so", eternally oblivious of the larger narrative.

As if the act itself isn't horrible enough, the only result we get is that we carry on even more resolutely down the wrong path. It gives all the wrong people the ammunition they need.

 

[Palette Swap]

This doesn't even make sense. Aren't the vast majority of Muslims in France from Africa/Algeria?

Ethnic Berbers from North Africa view themselves as Arabs and are viewed as such by the rest of the world. I guess in that case, Arab is more an identity than an ethnicity.

 

[| Praxis |]

Have you guys seen those conspiracy theory vids by the way? Where some dude says it's all staged because there was no blood or brain on the pavement when the officer was executed.

Stupid to even give these videos any attention, but the lack of blood is what would tell me it wasn't faked, because if you were to fake it you'd add blood because that's what you'd expect. Logic!

 

[guggnichso]

We were discussing the topic of good vs. bad satire. It's fine to make either, and I was just making the argument that bad satire is to me something that involves racist stereotypes of oppressed minority groups.

Why does this have to be discussed in a thread about some fucked up maniacs killing people?

 

[ComputerMKII]

I'm starting to wonder why it's taking so long to arrest the terrorists. They were reportedly spotted last night, yet still nothing.

 

[wachie]

I'd like to thank bish and the rest of the moderation staff for taking hold of this situation, the last thread was a total disaster and I felt uneasy reading some of the (hateful) posts in there.

Again, a big thank you from one human to another.

 

[Lender]

Don't know if this been posted already.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

I'm starting to wonder why it's taking so long to arrest the terrorists. They were reportedly spotted last night, yet still nothing.

Could be a diversionary tactic while they follow up on every possible lead or move in on an actual location. Dat OpSec yo.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Figaro reports a man armed with a screwdriver tried to gain access to the editorial office of the "Valeurs Actuelles" magazine. He was surprised by two police offers and fled but was quicky caught. Police reportedly found several screwdrivers on him.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fr...rect-Charlie-Hebdo-Paris-fusillade.php#125012

#JesuisVA (just kidding)

 

[lefantome]

I've stumbled upon this video on the internet, is this real?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU

 

[Kenshin001]

The newspapers in the UK not publishing the cartoons is a disgrace to journalism and western society. The terrorists have won

The image of the cop on the ground moments before he is executed is a lot more powerful than some poorly drawn cartoons. I don't think it is necessarily out of cowardice.

 

[Maninthemirror]

there's quite a few people who criticize their king but can't do so openly, it's against the land even. He isn't uniformly loved by everybody

that reminds me that I sort of miss those anthems

oh, I'm quoting lemmykoopa heh

A king usually has no connection to God, Prophets, all thousands of them are considered as a direct link between God and the people in Islam. the mocking of and joking of messengers of God when they were alive was done by people who opposed them strongly to the point of physical abuse. This is the primary reason its frowned upon as well along with reverence

 

[Alx]

I'm starting to wonder why it's taking so long to arrest the terrorists. They were reportedly spotted last night, yet still nothing.

Spotting someone is one thing, catching him is another. The target is always at least a few minutes ahead, and that's enough for him to change location. It's like playing the board game "Scotland Yard", if they're on the move it can take some time until they're cornered.

 

[Mimosa97]

Ethnic Berbers from North Africa view themselves as Arabs and are viewed as such by the rest of the world. I guess in that case, Arab is more an identity than an ethnicity.

100% untrue. What makes you say this ?

I have many north african friends who take it as an insult to get called Arabs. They are bebers or Kabyles ( berbers from Algeria ). They say they have an arab cultural heritage and that they are muslims but that's about it. They don't view themselves as ethnic arabs.

 

[ResidentDante]

Spotting someone is one thing, catching him is another. The target is always at least a few minutes ahead, and that's enough for him to change location. It's like playing the board game "Scotland Yard", if they're on the move it can take some time until they're cornered.

Damn, you just made me remember that boardgame!#90sFlashback

 

[Real Hero]

The image of the cop on the ground moments before he is executed is a lot more powerful than some poorly drawn cartoons. I don't think it is necessarily out of cowardice.

It is when that's the image the people who did it would want on the front of the papers.

 

[ComputerMKII]

Eric Zemmour's reaction (no translation yet, sorry)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91k6k22ykAY

 

[Xando]

I'm starting to wonder why it's taking so long to arrest the terrorists. They were reportedly spotted last night, yet still nothing.

There are supposed to be multiple thousand special forces (Intelligence and Millitary are probably involved aswell) nvolved in this operation. I think they don't know where they are and searching every house.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

The image of the cop on the ground moments before he is executed is a lot more powerful than some poorly drawn cartoons. I don't think it is necessarily out of cowardice.

Read the interview with Amol Rajan posted on the previous page. It's absolutely down to cowardice, or at the very least 'fear'.

I disagree that the image of a cop getting shot is more powerful than the simple cartoons this whole event was based on. There's too many in the UK press happy to say 'Je Suis Charlie' but not willing to back it up. They should be called out for it.

 

[Joni]

I'm not saying that they should be exempt from criticism. Nothing should be exempt from a critical eye. But we should be tactful of innocent Muslims who had nothing to do with any of this. Running offensive pictures of their prophet and turning him into a joke or a terrorist or whatever; insulting them and putting them on the defensive is not a great way to make them see the errors of their ways. It's harassment to the people that had nothing to do with this attack. But are receiving it as some sort of punishment for being associated with them via religion.

I think any sane muslim would comprehend it has nothing to do with them. The one that are saying: 'I'm not a terrorist and I'm not saying they deserved it, but they shouldn't have made those pictures' on the other hand will be pissed. Any Muslim that is using this tragedy to say how comics like this shouldn't be made, is part of the problem.

 

[Maninthemirror]

This is a book, Murder in the name of Allah published in 1988, the first chapter is a message to Muslims and non-Muslims alike and pretty much a message for today

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/mna/chapter_1.html

Did our history begin with the curse of Cain? It is a gory tale of murder, assassination and torture in any event. So much blood has been spilled throughout history that the whole world could be painted red with it–with plenty to spare. When will man stop killing his fellow men? When will his thirst for blood ever be quenched?

Abel was the first man to be killed, by his brother, for no reason. The story of that murder has been preserved by the Quran and the Bible as a lesson to us all—it will remain as an example till the end of time. Study history, and one thing becomes clear: that man is an aggressive creature. His aggressiveness has been untamed by the growth of civilization. Man is as cruel today as he was thousands of years ago. The story of his ruthlessness, his tyranny and his aggression is long and painful. The fire of human aggression has not been quenched even after thousands of years of savagery.

Assassination of individuals and the annihilation of whole groups of peoples are a repetitive theme of history. States have attacked states; countries have fought against their neighbors and against nations far from their borders. Hordes of people living in the steppes and deserts conquered nations with ancient civilizations; blood was shed by Caesar and by Alexander; Baghdad was destroyed by Hulagu and Gengiz; the soil of Kuruksherra ran red with the blood of Kauravas and Pandavas.

Sometimes blood was spilled in the name of honor, sometimes in the name of revenge for supposed wrongs. Sometimes angry hordes overran peaceful lands in search of food, sometimes in search of world domination. But more often the blood of man—created in God’s image—was shed in the name of his Creator. Religion was used as an excuse for mass murder. Seeing this aspect of human nature makes one wonder if mankind is not the basest and most ruthless species on earth. One expects religion to teach man to be civilized, yet religion itself drips with blood. This fact recalls the incident which took place at the time of the creation of Adamas, described by both the Quran and the Bible. The Quran says:

And when thy Lord said to the angels, ‘I am about to place a vicegerent in the earth,’ they said, ‘Wilt Thou place therein such as will cause disorder in it and shed blood?—and we glorify Thee with Thy praise and extol Thy holiness.’ He answered, ‘I know what you know not’. (2.31)

This dialogue between the angels and God is baffling because any book on religious history would seem to prove that the angels were right. If so, why did God refuse to accept their ‘advice’ or uphold their objection to His plan? It was, in fact, an objection to prophecy itself and ultimately to the prophet hood of the Seal of Prophets, Muhammadsa

The history of religion in any part of the world at any time is the history of torture, repression, execution and crucifixion. It is disappointing indeed to find that religion, which is supposed to be the last refuge of peace in a world of war and conflict, is a cause of destruction and bloodshed. Religion itself is not the real cause of mass murder, however, and it is a mistake to think it is. Religion was not given to man to encourage killing.

The Quran’s religious history is full of examples of force and violence used in the name of religion by people who had no religion. People were tortured in the name of Allah by those who had not the faintest clue about God. Noahas who called people to righteousness and piety, was not an oppressor—those who wished to suppress his voice were in the wrong. On hearing Noah’sas message they said: ‘If you don’t desist, O Noah, you shall surely be one of those who are stoned.’ (26.117)

The history of religious persecution, as told by the Quran, clearly shows that followers of true religion are the victims of violence. The Quran gives the example of Abrahamas, who called the people to God by using love, sympathy and humility. He had no sword… not a single weapon. But the elders of his people did exactly what the anti-religious opponents of Noahas had done. Abraham’sas father, Azar, said: ‘If you do not desist from your belief I shall stone you.’ The words used by Azar were virtually identical to those used by Noah’sas enemies. Both Noahas and Abrahamas were insulted and humiliated, both were beaten and tortured, yet both accepted it all with patience and fortitude. Having lit the fire of oppression and mischief, the tormentors of Abraham as tried to burn him alive.

Those who opposed Lotas knew nothing whatsoever about religion. Yet they were his enemies and opposed him and his followers in religion’s name. They threatened him with violence; they warned him that he and his followers would be banished. They did their best to stop him teaching his religion.

The persecutors of Shuaibas did the same and told him: ‘Assuredly we will drive you out and the believers with you from our town and you shall have to return to our religion.’ (7.89)

By citing these examples, the Quran proves there is a pattern of conversion to true religion and also to the force used by the enemies of truth against such conversion. Shuaib’sas reply to the threats typifies the attitude of all God’s prophets. He said: ‘Even though we be unwilling?’ Is it possible to change hearts by force, can a man be reconverted to a religion he has discarded after discovering it to be false? And can he be reconverted after he has discovered the truth of a new religion?

No dictator has ever been able to escape this logic. The historical fact is that the sword has never ruled and will never rule men’s hearts. If the human body can be subdued by force, then the soul cannot. Belief is a thing of the heart. It is human nature which never changes. Innocent people who are sentenced to death in the name of religion by those who do not understand it will continue to raise their voice against this injustice. They will forever pose the question: ‘Do you want us to stick to the beliefs our intelligence has rejected?’ Whenever this question has been asked, enemies of religion across the world have accused the prophets of apostasy and sentenced them to death. Inhuman torture and punishments were invented… the story of violence is one which never ends.

Mosesas and his followers met the same fate at the hands of the so-called religious heads of the time—Pharaoh, Haman and Korah—who said: ‘Slay the sons of those who have believed with him and let their women live.’ (40.26) Conversion from one religion to another was not punished by the prophets, yet they and their followers were punished for the so-called apostasy. After Mosesas, Jesusas endured similar torture and violence which culminated in an attempt to kill him on the Cross. Bloodshed and violence have always been carded out in religion’s name: their victims have throughout time been those found guilty of apostasy. Yet not a single revealed book sanctions the punishment of those who changed from one religion to another. If the texts of revealed Books have been altered by dishonest people, one can hardly blame the Books themselves. By their very nature, Books revealed to God’s prophets cannot teach violence.

Making reference to the history of religions, the Quran proves that the prophets and their followers were victims of violence; victims who, nonetheless, accepted brutality with patience. It is beyond one’s belief that people who change faiths can be tortured in the name of religion, and prophets of God, who are sent to convert us, cannot accept it either. It makes nonsense of their own mission. The Quran also tells how a prophet’s followers are punished for conversion not only during his life, but for hundreds of years after his death. Such oppression has no sanction from God.

Then there is the Quranic story of the people of the cave. These Christians were persecuted for 300 years, and I have seen the places where these poor people were tortured—the amphitheatres intended for gladiatorial combat with bulls and lions. It was in these places that naked Christians were thrown to hungry wild animals. The animals howled and made short shrift of the defenseless Christians. Sometimes these ‘apostates’ were thrown to bulls which had been starved for several days. The starving creatures bellowed and snorted and, with hissing screeches, attacked. The Christians were gored or trampled to death. And after this festival of blood, the laughing Romans returned joyfully home. The ‘apostates’ had been fittingly punished. But while the Christians’ legs trembled, their hearts beat strongly with faith in God.

Their persecution went on intermittently for three centuries. And when they found no place to hide, they fled underground to the catacombs. These long labyrinths exist today and they remind us that the Christians could live with insects, scorpions and snakes but not with religious leaders in their fine clothes.

The enormity of these atrocities is made worse because of the so-called religious protectors who actually prevent worship of Allah; their victims feel a greater anguish from being prevented from worshipping than they do from torture itself. The Quran says: ‘And who is more unjust than the man who prohibits the name of Allah being glorified in Allah’s mosques and seeks to destroy them?’ (2.115) So the Quran totally rejects the use of force to suppress religious freedom. It declares that though such suppression takes place, true believers never use force to preach the name of Allah.

So far we have told the story of the persecution of prophets who came before the time when God’s light was to illuminate the world. But eventually the sun of eternal truth rose on the skies of the Arab peninsula and the world was soon to bask in the light of Muhammad’ssa message.

For thousands of years the world had awaited the greatest prophet. One hundred and twenty-four thousand prophets had lived and died in the hope of welcoming this Seal of the Prophets. The man for whom the whole world was created finally appeared, reflecting the full glory of his Creator. He was greater than all the prophets; his religion was complete. But he, too, was persecuted and his persecution was without precedence. Our Master and Lord, Prophet Muhammadsa, endured every conceivable form of punishment, torture and torment suffered by the earlier prophets and their followers.

Early Muslims were laid out in the blazing sun. Burning stones were put on their chests; they were dragged through the streets of Mecca like dead animals. They were shunned, and kept hungry and thirsty. They were thrown into dungeons, their belongings were seized and their families were broken up. Pregnant women were thrown off camels, their inevitable deaths the cause of merriment. Their dead bodies were cut asunder—the liver of the Prophet’s uncle was even eaten. They were cut down with swords and pierced by arrows. The Prophetsa was stoned by ruffians and vagabonds and was chased and pelted by urchins till the cobblestones of Taif ran red with his blood. And at the battle-ground of Uhud the Prophetsa was seriously wounded.

This bloodshed took place in the name of religion, because Muslims said Rabbunallaha, our Lord, is Allah. This persecution and torture was perpetrated in the name of religion because, according to the polytheists of Mecca, the Prophet’s and the Muslims were apostates. The polytheist called the Prophet and his followers ‘Sabi’—people who discard their ancestral religion and adopt a new one. In order to put down this ‘evil’, the Meccans adopted methods of torture and suppression which had been used by their predecessors. Muhammadsa and his followers suffered patiently and with fortitude for a long time to prove that evil is caused by anti-religious people and not by followers of the truth.

The Prophetsa, exalted by Allah to a position with no equal, showed his persecutors only unsurpassable love, mercy and forgiveness in return for their evil. When victory finally came and the polytheists of Mecca were subdued by the Prophetsa, he ordered a general amnesty. There was no massacre and no punishment for his persecutors. No arrests were made. No executions took place. Instead of retribution there was the Quranic proclamation: ‘Let no reproach be on you this day. May Allah forgive you. He is the most merciful of the merciful.’

That day the cruelest of the cruel were pardoned. Those who had tormented helpless slaves on the burning sand were forgiven. Those who had dragged Muslims through the streets like dead animals were absolved. Those who had breached the peace were pardoned, as were those who had stoned defenseless Muslims—even the woman who had eaten the liver of the Prophet’ssa uncle.

If the history of the world from Adamas to the present day were ever lost—and with it the record of every persecution and of every charter of human rights—a glance at the life of the Prophetsa would more than prove that true religion does not cause hatred, persecution, repression or the suppression of thought.

But the Prophetsa did not confine his teachings to calling for religious tolerance. Since the Prophetsa of Islam is ‘A Mercy for the Universe’ (21.108), a general proclamation is made by the Quran: ‘There shall be no compulsion in religion.’ Compulsion is unnecessary because, ‘Guidance and error have been clearly distinguished’ (2.257) and there is no possibility of confusing the two. On the face of it, this proclamation seems unusual and anomalous. On one hand there was an arbitrary authority, hell-bent on wiping out a small group of people because of their ‘apostasy’ with every means at its disposal. And when this group of ‘apostasy’ gained power, it was told by the Quran to proclaim that:

“There shall be no compulsion in religion, for guidance and error have been clearly distinguished; so whoever refuses to be led by those who transgress and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle—one which knows no breaking.” (2.257)

But it must be noted that this proclamation is made in the second chapter of the Quran, Al-Baqarah, which was revealed in the first two or three years after the Prophet’ssa arrival in Medina, a place where Muslims were not only free from Meccan persecution but also held power. What could be a more human and generous proclamation of peace from a prophet who, only a year or two earlier, had been persecuted for ‘changing his religion’?

People who persecute in the name of religion are totally ignorant of the essence of religion. Religion is a metamorphosis of hearts. Religion is not politics and its adherents do not make up political parties. Neither is it a nationality with limited loyalties, nor a country with geographical borders. It is the transformation of hearts—transformation for the good of the soul. The home of religion is in the depths of the heart. It is beyond the sway of the sword. Mountains are not moved by the sword, nor are hearts changed by force. While persecution in the name of religion is the repetitive theme in the history of human aggression, freedom of conscience is the Quran’s repetitive theme.

The Prophetsa was asked again and again to proclaim: ‘This is the truth from your Lord; let him who will, believe, and let him who will, disbelieve.’ (18.30) Truth is obviously a matter of the heart; it has nothing to do with force. Once it has been seen it cannot be blotted out by any power. Hence the Quran’s assertion that once truth is known it is our choice to accept or reject it. Yet, elsewhere, the Quran says: ‘Verily, this is a reminder: so whosoever wishes may take to the way that leads to his Lord.’ (76.30) No charter of human rights can surpass the clarity of the Quranic phrase faman Shaa’ (whosoever wishes). The word ‘whosoever’ is all inclusive. It is surprising that after such a clear declaration anyone could possibly think that Islam supports the use of force.

Again, in the 39th chapter of the Quran, the Prophetsa is ordered to tell unbelievers: ‘It is Allah I worship in sincerest obedience.’ Now, as far as you are concerned, ‘Worship what you like besides Him.’ (39.16)

Since freedom of conscience—freedom to believe and to preach—is the cornerstone of religion, and repression of religious heresy is the aim of antireligious forces, the Quran lays great emphasis on the freedom of conversion. The last line of Chapter 109 of the Quran sums up the basic principle of a true religion. ‘For you, your religion and for me, my religion.’ In an earlier passage (10.108), God refers to the same principle by asking a rhetorical question. Addressing the Holy Prophetsa, He says: ‘If thy Lord had enforced His will, surely all those on earth would have believed, without exception? Will thou, then, take it upon thyself to force people to become believers?’ In the scheme of creation, man must have complete free will to believe or otherwise; there is no compulsion; a man must use his reason and understanding. After all, faith is a gift given by God to those He thinks deserve it.

One hundred and twenty-four thousand prophets were sent by God and showed, by their teaching and example, that the bearers of the divine message are the oppressed, not the oppressors. The prophets won over hearts by moral and spiritual strength, not by physical force. It is a great tragedy that the ordained priests and the turbaned Mullahs with their flowing robes of ‘piety’ became the tormentors of the innocent in the name of oppressed prophets. They monopolized religion, yet they knew nothing of it. They claimed to protect the honor of their prophets by maligning others, by spreading malicious lies and, above all, by perpetrating crimes of violence which shamed humanity. They did it before the birth of the Holy Prophetsa. They do it still.

It is a strange world where a man can rise to the heights of prophethood and talk with his Creator, then sink to the depths of becoming a priest and questioning Joan of Arc about her visions of angels. He can sink even lower and become an inquisitor. The instruments of torture shown at Madame Tussaud’s tell the tragic story of the Spanish and French Inquisitions. Innocent people were tortured for their so-called apostasy; they were forced to confess that they had recanted from the true religion. When they refused, they were whipped and flogged, put on the rack, lynched, impaled, pilloried, branded and burned. The victims either confessed or died a miserable death. These dignitaries of the Church in all their finery, who tortured innocent Christians, remind one of Christas with his crown of thorns, bleeding on the Cross and crying with a loud voice: ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ (Matthew 27:46). These were the people who symbolically consumed the flesh and blood of Christas at Communion services, yet could not recall that the Pharisees had asked Pontius Pilate to crucify Christas because he had ‘apostatized’ and abandoned the religion of his forefathers. But the crucifixion of Christas pales into insignificance when compared with the Inquisition of medieval Christians. It is with a sense of relief and, indeed, pride that Islam, with its declaration of ‘no compulsion in the matter of belief’, has finally closed the door on such atrocities in religion’s name. But this sense of relief and pride is only short-lived. Any Muslim will lower his head with shame when he sees today’s ulema vying with what the Christian priests of medieval Europe did to devise new ways of suppressing freedom of thought and conscience. And yet these are the very ulema who claim to protect the honor of the Holy Prophetsa whom the Quran describes as a ‘Mercy for the Universe’.

These ulema claim to be the very personification of mercy, but their hearts are without compassion. Instead, they are filled with anger. The use of force in the name of religion has now become part of their faith. In the name of God’s holy water—sent to cool our tempers—they kindle the fires of hatred and anger in the hearts of the innocent. The followers of the Prince of Peacesa, whose blood cleansed barbaric Arabia, are now being persuaded to murder helpless people. In the name of the protector of poor people’s unguarded homes his followers are encouraged to rob the homes of people who are powerless to defend themselves. In the name of the Prophetsa who protected the honor of even ruffians’ wives, the happy and loving marriages of Muslim women are annulled and transformed into adulterous relationships. In the name of the builder of the first mosque in Medina, who offered it to the Christians of Najran for Sunday services, in the name of the Prophetsa who taught his followers to respect the temples of other faiths, today’s ulema incite the masses to destroy the mosques of a small group of people whose lives are devoted to the spreading of shahada2.The unjust acts the Prophetsa condemned and banned forever are now being perpetrated in his very name. What would the Holy Prophetsa think if he could see the ulema of his umma falsely accusing the elders of other Muslim groups of all sorts of misdeeds and shouting abuse about women and housewives? How will an agnostic react to this demonstration of ‘religious zeal’? What Muslim could think, even for a moment, that our Prophetsa, would have advised the ulema of his umma to deliver provocative, disruptive speeches; or that he would have ordered them to deliver such fiery sermons that entire villages of poor and helpless people were set ablaze? Not satisfied with all this, could the Prince of Peacesa have told religious leaders to treat as apostates all those Muslims whose understanding of Islam did not conform to their own? Would he have sanctioned the killing of them and their women and the destruction of their mosques—said to be the only divine way to blot out apostasy?

These are the questions we should all think seriously about. Muslims should consider the attitude of these ulema. For suppression, torture, execution, arson and the razing of mosques are not the Prophet’ssa tradition. Every stone in the streets of Mecca over which the so-called apostates were dragged bears witness to this. Every grain of burning Arabian sand where helpless people were tortured for accepting Islam does the same. The cobbles of Taif, where the blood of the Holy Prophetsa was spilled, bear witness to the fact that our great Master—mercifully did not teach that religious belief was compulsory, that he did not order the burning of houses of worship in the name of worship or the dishonoring of women in the name of honor. Muslims hang their heads in shame and their souls cry out over today’s religious leaders who preach violence in the name of the Prophetsa.

poignant

 

[-duskdoll-]

Eric Zemmour's reaction (no translation yet, sorry)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91k6k22ykAY

I wish i paid more attention in french class

 

[pulsemyne]

I'm starting to wonder why it's taking so long to arrest the terrorists. They were reportedly spotted last night, yet still nothing.

Welcome to the world where social media reports on every little thing and thinks that police and organisations move at the same pace as they do. There are very good reason why police don't just barge in in situations like this, one being the potential for boobytraps etc. There is also the possibility that these people maybe being observed to see if they meet up with anyone, a possible handler or money man for example. This operation is likely to have had some degree of financial assistance, due to training/logistics etc.