Mass_Pincup
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Can someone please explain this ?
It would be much appreciated
It's Sophisme I think.
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Terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo magazine. 12 dead. 11 wounded.
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It's Sophisme I think.
victreeb3l
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RIP. Journalists in the region should be on alert for copycat attacks.
Baki
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And publishing the cartoons will not deter future terrorism. If anything, it's counter productive because it will only further split up communities when there is a need for communities to be united as a whole.
How about no one here hates you but just your religion?
Guileless
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I would be surprised if this does not have a long term chilling effect on the willingness of publishers to publish similar images due to safety concerns. And of course, the dead artists wont be producing anything else offensive to the murderers or otherwise.
Maninthemirror
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why are you separating me from the rest. is this a us vs you mechanism. most muslims just want to live and not live in fear of people who hate and act on the hate.
BlazingDarkness
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I think your religion is a pile of shit but I respect your right to believe in it.
You are not your beliefs. Being critical of your religion does not mean I'm being disrespectful to you.
Turkcesi varmi? Turkish news makes my head hurt.
FlyingSaucer
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No, not his religion. Some radical expressions of it, and nothing more.
Funky Papa
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Because you just made it about you a few posts back.
Your posts are adding nothing to the discussion this ad hominem on Sam Harris just further proves it. Did you even click the link?
No problem. I wasn't trying to be snarky with just posting a link but the explanation on Wikipedia is pretty good.Thank you
Maninthemirror
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I am my belief. now what do you say. Hate the radical thoughts. not my belief which is directly tied to me and the way I live
What on Earth...
iceatcs
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No, you want separate. Not me, I want everyone equal.
You are the one who fear make it sound like you scare of people will kill you and want everyone leave you alone. Why?
Your issue is in the assumption that because I take issue with conservative and radical islam, somehow I dislike you as a human being. I know nothing of you, other than what I've seen you post on GAF.
What's odd is that you were sparked off by me pointing out that the dude you posted was trotting out a classic fallacy. Nothing to do with 'hatred', 'islamophobia' or any of that shit.
Maninthemirror
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I dont like he represents western people. Most people here in US and Canada respect my faith but not the radicalists
Stereogatari
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Can't find it in Turkish unfortunately. I hope he didn't only comment on the attack in English.
Funky Papa
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You are a person, not a book. As a matter of fact, this allows you to adjust your beliefs and opinions on said book and use it to be either a moderate a radical or a non believer.
This is hardly a complex philosophical discussion.
You don't.
How can you simultaneously talk about paying him respect and call his religion a pile of shit?
That's certainly a convenient theory for some people on the left.
That sounds pretty extreme to me.
victreeb3l
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ANYWAYS
Have they left Paris? So many units are searching for these guys yet no clue about their whereabouts. I really hope theyre caught alive.
ANYWAYS
Have they left Paris? So many units are searching for these guys yet no clue about their whereabouts. I really hope theyre caught alive.
I'm confused, are you saying that the attackers are representative of Islam?
So because you choose to be your belief we are not allowed to criticize Islam?
I'm sorry but that's not how it works.
In a civilized secular society ALL ideas are open for discussion. This is called freedom of expression.
Also you playing the victim here is horrible, the real victims are the 12 man and woman that died yesterday.
Palette Swap
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Well, congrats for liking a guy who thinks that police ethnic profiling is a good thing, that "gay ideology" is turning men into women and is a rabid anti-feminist.
Edit: whoa, what the hell is going on here.
You say this as if your religion does not by definition of monotheist ideas believe I am a bad person for not wanting to follow your god (I accept a god may exist, I do not mean to follow the one described by your Prophet) and generally that I will be punished/I am a second class citizen on this planet.
So fundamentally I have to put up with your hatred of my own believes, it is fundamental to any mono religion. I put up with it and never get bothered much.
They are suspected of robbing a gas station, they are closing in on them.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30721677
Nice to know there were a few newspapers in Turkey celebrating it. Fucking hell.
Fenderputty
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Who said it will deter anything? We as a society need to stick together and not be scared. That's the point of terrorism, to scare us. Society needs to continue on like normal flying a big middle finger at this shit. Head on. It's as much about our own mental state as it is for the terrorists.
Maninthemirror
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well sorry but I am a person adherent to my faith. thats what you call a religious person. By saying your faith is evil people directly say the way you believe and live your life as an adherent muslim person, are basing it off an evil idea. The difference between your thinking and mine is I know there is a separation of radicalists and moderates, Radicalists being new. People who say Islam is evil also assume its Holy Founder was violent thus creating an argument that Islam was built on an evil idea with a violent founder and if I am not violent, I am not following Islam as it was meant to be. Am I wrong in this?
Previous history indicates yes he is
you can but where is the truth when people say the founder built the faith on violence. if that is not the truth, that is no criticism is it?
ComputerMKII
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I didn't know we even had that many special forces.
For everyone linking to those videos showing these muslims in Norway. Last year there was hundreds of muslims mobilising and demostrating in the streets of Oslo and Grenland in Norway against these xtremist groups.
These groups (Islam Net and profetens Ummah) does not represent muslims in Norway, they are a minority.
Pictures form the demo:
"Sammen mot terror = Together against terror"
"Ikke i mitt navn = Not in my name"
More here: http://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4586-muslims-in-norway-marched-against-isis-and-extremism
Linking to those videos here is disgusting imo.
These groups (Islam Net and profetens Ummah) does not represent muslims in Norway, they are a minority.
Pictures form the demo:
"Sammen mot terror = Together against terror"
"Ikke i mitt navn = Not in my name"
More here: http://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4586-muslims-in-norway-marched-against-isis-and-extremism
Linking to those videos here is disgusting imo.
Spiegel reported they are closing in on them and are searching a 20 square kilometre area. Going from house to house, searching cars etc. Apparently one was seen in Corcys earlier today.
edit: https://twitter.com/MaximeGoldbaum has some pictures of special forces searching Corcys.
Hunt the dogs down.
Funky Papa taking the words out of my head and putting them down.
I'm saying the attackers were muslims and acting in accordance with what they believe islam requires of them. They avenged their prophet.
So when you get lines like 'I stopped calling these people Muslim terrorists. They're about as Muslim as I am' and 'Europe has an enormous radical problem. I think ISIS is a cult. Not an Islamic cult', well, I'm going to point out the obvious fallacy.
That's how Le Pen ends up sounding like the sensible one when she says We must not be scared of saying the words: this is a terrorist attack carried out in the name of radical Islam,.
The telegraph is not, in any way shape or form, a left wing paper. There's a reason its also called The Torygraph. Also what was said was quite true. It's not about satire etc its about causing terror and sowing the seeds of hatred and violence.
Funky Papa
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They are representative of a small but significant portion of it.
It's not as convenient as real. The original outrage about the Danish cartoons was sparked by radical Imams who sneaked made up and old caricatures in order to set people off. They knew they were fake; instead, they just wanted to create a ruckus. Al-qaeda was also known to attack Russian troops back in the day from civilian positions in order to spark outrage when the Russians retaliated in the expected Russian Bear way.
Radical muslims have been used inflamatory tactics to spark unrest and increase support for the longest time.
link?
Baki
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I agree that's it important to be united. Publishing the cartoons will not do that.
The Technomancer
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I feel like this exchange here, in thousands of various iterations across the world, gets right to the heart of why this dialogue is so thorny
The Telegraph is a Right leaning paper.
Alx
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Seems likely. There have been conflicting reports about it. The police has been searching several smaller cities that are between Paris and Reims (the city where yesterday's operation occured). Either the guys are expected to be somewhere in the area, or the police is trying to disrupt their "network".
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/charlie-hebdo-newsblog-zum-anschlag-von-paris-a-1011790.html (in German but based on "Figaro" reports)
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