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Terrorist attack at Charlie Hebdo magazine. 12 dead. 11 wounded.
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ClosingADoor
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Dude, what the hell are you talking about? Let the actual professionals there take care of it. This is an unpredictable and messy situation. Of course it won't be resolved in a few hours. Hell, I'm surprised police can even find people like this, considering the amount of ground to cover.
Because they're up against assailants who are heavily armed, with basic training, no real agenda other than death and destruction, nothing to lose and are escaping from an intricate, ancient metropolis like Paris into a sprawling countryside - there isn't a special forces team in the world who could end this without a mess.
QuicheFontaine
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Yeah, this seems irresponsible by the press. I know people want to follow along 'as it happens' but giving away sniper positions is dumb, and dangerous. Wait until it's over to post that stuff.
I was thinking the same thing.
Dammartin-en-Goëlle, is about 40km away from Paris.
As for preventive action, they exist. Yesterday on French news, they said that prevention need around 25 persons for one suspect in order to bring them to justice before they act. They need to build the case. I don't expect any news for those prevention act though, hence the skewed perception that the only action are reactive.
Chittagong
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Cut the water, hope the printing company doesn't have a vending machine and wait them starve? These guys were into pizza and pot, the munchees will flush them out.
Psychotext
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This is never a question that needs asking. WHY NOT A TANK?!?!
maniac-kun
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I hope they dont need the tank.
These guys will get shanked in jail bigtime.
jakonovski
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Yeah, that must be it. I'm starting to think that's just what was nearby, because an AMX-10 is not designed to shrug off hits like an MBT, it's a light vehicle with a big gun.
Or it could be a convoy unrelated to the hostage situation, like someone said.
I kind of want to see it bust through the wall Expendables style.
Too blunt for a hostages operation
causing damage in millions of euros while possibly harming the hostage or other police men.
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Have you seen Die Hard?
Clearly being serious.
hobblygobbly
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ATLAS Network is exactly that. It's an association of European special forces that train/share expertise and if needed work together on operations.
Can read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATLAS_Network
GSG 9 is very specialised in hostage situations and counter-terrorism in Europe. GSG 9's services are also offered internationally.
(Fun fact, in Ghost in the Shell a major security department Section 9 is based off of GSG 9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Ghost_in_the_Shell#Public_Security_Bureaus and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Security_Section_9)
Easy enough to do xD
ComputerMKII
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Life in prison without the possibility of parole:
http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affic...Texte=LEGITEXT000006070719&dateTexte=20120331
(Sorry, I'm not good at translating legal jargon)
Shmuppers
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You can't imagine the psychological effect of seeing a tank rolling your way. It's probably an intimidation effort, along with it's obvious purpose.
As far as i know they train together multiple times per year.
ComputerMKII
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BFMTV says that law enforcement is still using the negociation approach and nothing will happen as long as that's the case.
ComputerMKII
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This could anger the terrorists even further.
BaronLundi
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Where this offence causes the death of one or more persons, it is punished by criminal imprisonment for life and a fine of €750,000.
And a free tip: http://legifrance.gouv.fr/Traductions/en-English/Legifrance-translations
Y'a d'autres langues aussi
I wonder if the hostage is the client mentioned in the story of the sales agent that met with one of the terrorists
I don't find it that strange GER-FR-BE agents/spec ops works together. Maybe it is from a US point of view, but those terrorists are currently at less than 2 hours driving from our border (belgium) and 2.5 from germany.
They often operate together, since criminals sometimes cross the border - especially in the north of FR region.
It's a positive thing they work together so closely.
They often operate together, since criminals sometimes cross the border - especially in the north of FR region.
It's a positive thing they work together so closely.
BrassDragon
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They should have called it Rainbow.
They just said he's probably the owner of the printing works.
Always-honest
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Probably the owner
They faced criticism the last time they weren't able to take alive a terrorist. I think they'll do everything they can as long as it doesn't reduce the chances of the hostage.
And as much I'd like to see them catch alive, I'm fine with that.
This is a time I hope god exists (any religion) and there is an afterlife. Just to explain them in afterlife that they were incredibly stupids, not the heroes they think.
My two cents:
Satire is often done wrong and often lacks any class or genius
Satire is very often openly racist and that's because noone is clean and noone has the right to say "I'm without Guilt" because that's a lie
Any of us would LOVE satire when reflects our thoughts and would HATE satire when it goes against our dogmas
But this is its beauty and the only problem with satire is OUR dark side and OUR mediocrity
Satire is often done wrong and often lacks any class or genius
Satire is very often openly racist and that's because noone is clean and noone has the right to say "I'm without Guilt" because that's a lie
Any of us would LOVE satire when reflects our thoughts and would HATE satire when it goes against our dogmas
But this is its beauty and the only problem with satire is OUR dark side and OUR mediocrity
ComputerMKII
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Where this offence causes the death of one or more persons, it is punished by criminal imprisonment for life and a fine of 750,000.
And a free tip: http://legifrance.gouv.fr/Traductions/en-English/Legifrance-translations
Y'a d'autres langues aussi
Thanks m8
Looks like they were hiding in the woods last night. The woods are bigger than the paris are a so it should be hard to find 2 suspects with only 5 thermal choppers.
They probably don't plan to shoot with it, but it's a great cover for approaching a building with men armed with a RPG.
Edit: I'm guessing, I don't actually know
the suburbs and surrounding of paris are actually quite huge - outside of the city there are a lot of acres/forrests/small villages, and most importantly a lot of roads they could take.
Just knowing they are "heading north" they could take 6 main roads and all those are connected with smaller highways and normal roads in between. If you open up google maps and zoom out of paris you'll get a pretty good idea how complex the area is.
I'm surprised they found them within 2 days to be honest (and it took a gigantic police force to do it). Overall though, I think the french police did a good job handling the situation until now.
ComputerMKII
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IT security expert says Anonymous' appeal to vengeance could disturb the investigation
"Launching DDoS attacks won't solve anything. Attacking the networks where the (terrorists) communicate interferes with the investigators' work."
"Launching DDoS attacks won't solve anything. Attacking the networks where the (terrorists) communicate interferes with the investigators' work."
That wouldn't make them martyrs. They'll want to go out with a last fight.
Well then just shoot them in the knees or something
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