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Terry Goodkind: The Omen Machine OT [Spoiler warning]
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Wow, those are the Wizard's Rules? Two of them contradict each other, like three of them make no fucking sense and the rest are all obvious to anyone who's over five years old.
Halycon said:
Talga Vassternich, I read, means Deserve Victory in High D'haran, a Germanesque language.
Fuer ost grissa drauka is Richard's High D'haran title - Bringer of Death.
[No, Goodkind did not go to Tolkien's lengths in language creation. I believe that this is gibberish.]
Like many others here, I too read Wizard's First Rule at a relatively young age and I remember enjoying it greatly. It had romance, sex and a lot of (sexual) violence. What's not to like, when you're 15 and horny? The second and third book were okay too, but after that even a young and stupid me started noticing the absurdity of the story and the terrible, terrible writing.
Same thing with Feist. Loved the first couple of books (and Betrayal at Krondor is still one of my favourite games!) and so I decided to stick with the author for a while, until it became clear that I was wasting my time. Of which I had plenty, back then.
Ah, to be young and impressionable. I think for us non-native english speakers the whole 'recognition' process takes more time. And no matter how good you get at understanding a foreign language ... you'll always percieve it as something that's exotic, misterious and fascinating, when compared to your own language. That had a lot to do with me enjoying Goodkind, I think. I hope.
Same thing with Feist. Loved the first couple of books (and Betrayal at Krondor is still one of my favourite games!) and so I decided to stick with the author for a while, until it became clear that I was wasting my time. Of which I had plenty, back then.
Ah, to be young and impressionable. I think for us non-native english speakers the whole 'recognition' process takes more time. And no matter how good you get at understanding a foreign language ... you'll always percieve it as something that's exotic, misterious and fascinating, when compared to your own language. That had a lot to do with me enjoying Goodkind, I think. I hope.
AlphaDragoon
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Salazar said:
ROFL. Guess her powers don't work when she thinks she's fucking someone else, even when it's really him. This Goodkind guy sounds like a real champ at writing.
Hari Seldon
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The series would have been truly awesome had Cinemax picked it up instead of the networks.
icarus-daedelus said:
True. I respect that dude's abs. But this is beyond rescue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMb0rw4QG7Q
This is so badass.
06nbarnhill
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Chiming in for ONE post in this thread to say that this authors work is trash. Poor fantasy at best.......bigoted/predictable/chauvinist/unoriginal at worst. One of the maybe 3 fantasy authors in my entire life whose books have been so subpar that i could not finish them. Goodkind hasn't put a single subtle twist in any writing that I have read.
This is my only post so I am not seen as a troll but I feel compelled to post this by my massive disappointment in his work.
(this is an attack on his writing....not LOTS show....which is ok..../FAP)
This is my only post so I am not seen as a troll but I feel compelled to post this by my massive disappointment in his work.
(this is an attack on his writing....not LOTS show....which is ok..../FAP)
You know what's fucked up? I loved these books all the way up until Pillars of Creation. Faith of the Fallen is my favorite book. What's even more messed up is that I completely stepped over Terry Goodkind's Objectivist bullshit and took his words and spun them a completely different way.
I won't be reading this book. I haven't read any books after the Sword of Truth series (LOL @ the fucking ending)
And god damn at the Mord Sith in the show... so fucking hot.
I won't be reading this book. I haven't read any books after the Sword of Truth series (LOL @ the fucking ending)
And god damn at the Mord Sith in the show... so fucking hot.
Alfarif said:
If they had been fighting the Imperial Order because they were a violent bunch of unwashed brutes bent on rape and conquest, then I would have been entirely on Richard's side. But he hates them for their communitarian ideals. It is, pretty much, a strain of crude egalitarianism that bothers him, at least as much as the fact that these are belching misanthropes and killers.
If Jagang could have been eased out of power, and a less psychotic leader installed, I would have signed up for the Imperial Order in a flash.
Salazar said:
Wholeheartedly agree. How'd you like that all of the "wastes of life" were always old, always poor, always women who had too many children, or always young "hoods," but how Richard and his ilk were always the most upstanding of whatever Goodkind thinks deserves to exist?
I am still laughing hysterically at the final three books. Actually, anything after Pillars of Creation is just plain hilarious: Richard explaining magic to ZEDD for 30 damn pages, Richard preaching the world of Goodkind for 30 pages in Naked Empire... every 100 pages, an entire book dedicated to two of the most worthless characters ever written about, and story lines that were.... pointless. I honestly can't remember what Richard was doing during any of the books after Faith of the Fallen... and can someone explain what the hell Nicholas the Slide was?
(The comment Goodkind said about writing the last 80 pages without re-reading is starting to make all of his books make a LOT more sense now)
Alfarif said:
It is timelessly infuriating that he goes hacking his way into a bunch of people ("MOVE OR DIE") who are in favour of peace.
Seriously. The meathead who chops down categorically innocent people (THERE IS NO PEACE. MOVE OR DIE. MOVE OR DIE), and who is basically a Dalek with a charisma-bypass, is the heroic ideal.
The more I think about it, the more I am lured into resolving: yes, let's rid the world (and any new worlds Richard pulls out of his ass) of magic. I'll kill the fucken magical firefly creatures myself.
The Slide was like a more powerful dreamwalker. Instead of stepping into and seeing a mind, he completely took control and became the body. Though now that I think about it he may not have been more powerful since he had to leave his body to do so. Been a while though so I may be misremembering.
ComputerMKII
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I stopped watching after five or six episodes (I couldn't care for the plot) but being this sexy should be illegal. Is there a way I can watch a collection of all the Mord-Sith scenes without the rest? I don't find Kahlan attractive, by the way, and I don't remember seeing that many of them in the book (I think there were just Denna and a couple other Mord-Sith, which did not even include Cara).Salazar said:
That's not bad, is it ?
I tend to like adaptations that don't stick to the original works (I didn't read GRRM's books, but think the Game of Thrones series is one example of such wasted potential) but the Legend of the Seeker seemed so different from the book that I had a hard time feeling immersed in it. I don't even mind not having pedophile wizards and Blood Rage Kahlan making them eat their own testicles, but it could have been more faithful.
This ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEJq17bN3w
Or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=678HJXdvLRo
That second pic might be epic cosplay. Not sure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEJq17bN3w
Or this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=678HJXdvLRo
That second pic might be epic cosplay. Not sure.
ComputerMKII
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Yes, although I suspect there are more of those scenes. Thanks.Salazar said:
Computer said:
I'll confess that I would also appreciate a LotS comprising only Mord Sith scenes.
I wonder if Raimi considered a film. It probably could have got backing. And it would perhaps have been more true to the fairly straightforward contours (such as they are) of Goodkind's storytelling, whereas the episodic form turns it into an even more offputtingly didactic jumble of morally obvious lessons played out with swords and magic. Which is of a piece with Goodkind's temperament and mission, but it's a fate that the books somehow managed to avoid.
rofl. I just saw a gar in the first episode. That's what Gratch is going to look like ? Fuuuck. I was picturing a winged wookie.
Watched the first two episodes of LotS.
So much slow motion. Lots of it with boobs.
Zedd is one cold motherfucker, sealing up those D'harans in a cave with whatever a Shadrin is.
And they did manage to make Michael Cypher an insufferable dick. I'm really not sure if they nailed Darken Rahl, though. He's supposed to be unbearably handsome, to take one obvious deficiency.
So much slow motion. Lots of it with boobs.
Zedd is one cold motherfucker, sealing up those D'harans in a cave with whatever a Shadrin is.
And they did manage to make Michael Cypher an insufferable dick. I'm really not sure if they nailed Darken Rahl, though. He's supposed to be unbearably handsome, to take one obvious deficiency.
Husker86 said:
Yeah. Didn't he have to kill someone to slide into another body, as well? I don't know, that whole damn book was stupid.
My wife and I were discussing the books years ago (8... 9? I don't remember) about how Goodkind pisses away 90% of the book doing nothing then rushes to finish it up in the last 10%. For most of the series, it works, just because you want to see what's going to happen (LOL @ spinal cords getting snapped but you still being able to fight... ok man), but the last half of the series... made absolutely no sense. It was like he just gave up trying to tell anything resembling a story and just vomited his entire ideology onto the page. What the hell, Goodkind?
Salazar said:
That was probably the coolest thing Goodkind has ever done. I was like "Damn, son, you gonna get fucked by some cave paintings!"
However, I did like when Richard kicked Violet in the jaw and shattered her FACE. LOL I can't believe I read the first six books more than 11 times each... sigh.
The best character in the entire series was Dalton Campbell.
I know he has an editor, but Goodkind certainly likes to give the impression that he has an Anne Rice degree of autonomy. And you can tell, with some of the alliteration in particular, that he believes he can really craft a fucking sentence. If I remember right, his longtime editor is the dude who does his trolling for him at conventions.
My favourite character is probably Jagang. Daaaaaarrrrlinnnn. He had some boss moves. Killing someone and having the body jerk around, reflecting their torment in the underworld, until it decayed. That is next-level.
My favourite character is probably Jagang. Daaaaaarrrrlinnnn. He had some boss moves. Killing someone and having the body jerk around, reflecting their torment in the underworld, until it decayed. That is next-level.
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Not gonna lie. I really enjoyed the first and sixth book, but getting to the Faith of the Fallen was a chore, and I quickly dropped Pillars of Creation.
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