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[Charlatan]

I've got a preorder but I'm torn between the long range and standard battery versions.

Let's look at the relative prices:

The first model they're shipping is the $49,000 long-range version. If I understand that correctly, that's base model ($35k) + battery upgrade ($9k) + tech package ($5k)

That seems like the load out for that version.

The only options left after those are the autopilot ($5k) and self-driving upgrade ($3k). Plus I suppose an additional $1k for paint, unless you get a black one.

Standard is cheaper, of course. If you elect the standard battery you can subtract $9k from the above price, leaving you with a $49k car (I'm getting not-black, the tech package + full autopilot stuff regardless as to battery choice). I'm torn because while the long range version seems pretty useful, I think I'll end up getting the standard, since that's pushing up against the upper limit of what I want to spend.

FYI, I registered in person on the first day, around 1 PM Eastern, and when I check my Tesla account the delivery estimator says I'll probably get a long-range version in Nov-Dec 2018 or a standard one in Jan-Mar 2018. AWD doesn't appeal to me so that's not on the menu.

I don't do a ton of long-range travel so I think the standard battery will work for me.

 

[GTI Guy]

I've got a preorder but I'm torn between the long range and standard battery versions.

Let's look at the relative prices:

The first model they're shipping is the $49,000 long-range version. If I understand that correctly, that's base model ($35k) + battery upgrade ($9k) + tech package ($5k)

That seems like the load out for that version.

The only options left after those are the autopilot ($5k) and self-driving upgrade ($3k). Plus I suppose an additional $1k for paint, unless you get a black one.

Standard is cheaper, of course. If you elect the standard battery you can subtract $9k from the above price, leaving you with a $49k car (I'm getting not-black, the tech package + full autopilot stuff regardless as to battery choice). I'm torn because while the long range version seems pretty useful, I think I'll end up getting the standard, since that's pushing up against the upper limit of what I want to spend.

FYI, I registered in person on the first day, around 1 PM Eastern, and when I check my Tesla account the delivery estimator says I'll probably get a long-range version in Nov-Dec 2018 or a standard one in Jan-Mar 2018. AWD doesn't appeal to me so that's not on the menu.

I don't do a ton of long-range travel so I think the standard battery will work for me.

You forgot the 1.5k for wheels 😁

 

[Charlatan]

Wheels...ugh.... I don't think I care enough whether they're 18" or 19" so I'm going to stick the standard (plus my little google friend tells me the 18s should last a little longer, and I'm going to be broke after buying this so I need to save cash wherever I can!).

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

I've got a preorder but I'm torn between the long range and standard battery versions.

Let's look at the relative prices:

The first model they're shipping is the $49,000 long-range version. If I understand that correctly, that's base model ($35k) + battery upgrade ($9k) + tech package ($5k)

That seems like the load out for that version.

The only options left after those are the autopilot ($5k) and self-driving upgrade ($3k). Plus I suppose an additional $1k for paint, unless you get a black one.

Standard is cheaper, of course. If you elect the standard battery you can subtract $9k from the above price, leaving you with a $49k car (I'm getting not-black, the tech package + full autopilot stuff regardless as to battery choice). I'm torn because while the long range version seems pretty useful, I think I'll end up getting the standard, since that's pushing up against the upper limit of what I want to spend.

FYI, I registered in person on the first day, around 1 PM Eastern, and when I check my Tesla account the delivery estimator says I'll probably get a long-range version in Nov-Dec 2018 or a standard one in Jan-Mar 2018. AWD doesn't appeal to me so that's not on the menu.

I don't do a ton of long-range travel so I think the standard battery will work for me.

So to correctly understand, I can get the full premium package without wheels and autonomous for $49,000. Can I swap the wheels and update the car to autonomous later on (knowing that autonomous is just a software update)?

 

[Diagol]

Canadian here in Calgary. Pre-ordered during the live event last March when it was unveiled.

No matter which option I pick, it's set for Late 2018 (either the rear wheel drive, rear wheel drive with larger battery or all-wheel drive).

The first production with rear wheel drive with the larger battery is showing a price of $49,000, whereas the first production with the standard battery is showing a price of $35,000. I thought the larger battery was supposed to be $9,000 (thereby the total being $44,000), unless the $49,000 is going to be the CAD price?

EDIT: Just saw the above. The tech package would make sense, but wish they would disclose that in the option itself. If only we could see official CAD prices soon!

 

[brochiller]

Wheels...ugh.... I don't think I care enough whether they're 18" or 19" so I'm going to stick the standard (plus my little google friend tells me the 18s should last a little longer, and I'm going to be broke after buying this so I need to save cash wherever I can!).

If you don't care definitely get the 18s. They'll last longer and give you a smoother quieter ride. The only thing better about bigger weels is maybe the look, and that's debatable.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Canadian here in Calgary. Pre-ordered during the live event last March when it was unveiled.

No matter which option I pick, it's set for Late 2018 (either the rear wheel drive, rear wheel drive with larger battery or all-wheel drive).

The first production with rear wheel drive with the larger battery is showing a price of $49,000, whereas the first production with the standard battery is showing a price of $35,000. I thought the larger battery was supposed to be $9,000 (thereby the total being $44,000), unless the $49,000 is going to be the CAD price?

You're adding $5k for premium package (wood trim, speakers, glass roof).

 

[DrEvil]

I pre-ordered pre-reveal on the 31st, in Canada. I think all canadian orders are "late 2018" regardless of trim choice.

 

[East Lake]

Can I ask why the fuss about this? Is there one single big thing or is it a combination of factors? We wouldn't be getting all this hype about a new leaf or bolt, yet Musk is seemingly getting all the plaudits for inventing electric vehicles even though he clearly didn't.

I can't see what is such a big jump over other options to warrant quite this gap in reaction.

Combination of factors. Has access to superchargers, which is Tesla exclusive, will at some point be self driving capable, despite the polarizing design they're going for a different look instead of generic econobox car, better software capability, and the list goes on...

There's a lot of reasons Tesla is still the only manufacturer taking electric cars seriously at this point. You can call the Bolt a serious electric car but compared to Tesla there's really basic drawbacks that still handicap it. No superchargers and no potential for autonomy ever for example. Model 3 will undeniably get better the longer you own it just by virtue of software updates.

 

[GTI Guy]

You're adding $5k for premium package (wood trim, speakers, glass roof).

It's more than that....

Premium Upgrades

Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout, including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs
12-way, power adjustable front seats, steering column and side mirrors, with custom driver profiles
Premium audio system with more power, tweeters, surround speakers and subwoofer
Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection
Auto dimming, power folding, heated side mirrors
LED fog lamps
Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones

 

[h1nch]

Combination of factors. Has access to superchargers, which is Tesla exclusive, will at some point be self driving capable, despite the polarizing design they're going for a different look instead of generic econobox car, better software capability, and the list goes on...

There's a lot of reasons Tesla is still the only manufacturer taking electric cars seriously at this point. You can call the Bolt a serious electric car but compared to Tesla there's really basic drawbacks that still handicap it. No superchargers and no potential for autonomy ever for example. Model 3 will undeniably get better the longer you own it just by virtue of software updates.

Agreed. I think the Model 3 is a different class of car to the Bolt. While both are EV, the Bolt stylistically has more in common with a Honda Fit or Ford Fiesta (I personally find the design of those cars appalling) The Model 3 looks to be closer to an entry level luxury sedan like a BMW 3 series or Audi A4, which is more my style.

Plus I like the fact that Teslas are designed from the ground up as EVs, rather than taking a regular car and swapping the gas engine for an electric one.

Obviously interior design preference is purely subjective, but judging from the pictures it seems like the Model 3 will have far superior trim/materials/finish compared to the Bolt, which has a super cheap shitty interior.

Tesla just seems to be ahead of the curve in so many areas. I love the idea of OTA software updates, fully autonomous driving, supercharger network, not having a key fob, fully glass roof, etc.

 

[Laekon]

They are charging $1k for an color besides black? That is crazy.

 

[Kaako]

I really want a Tesla and this one seems to be the perfect fit. Gonna wait a bit more for better user impressions.

 

[brochiller]

Can I ask why the fuss about this? Is there one single big thing or is it a combination of factors? We wouldn’t be getting all this hype about a new leaf or bolt, yet Musk is seemingly getting all the plaudits for inventing electric vehicles even though he clearly didn’t.

I can’t see what is such a big jump over other options to warrant quite this gap in reaction.

In my opinion no other electric car is even on the same playing field as a Tesla without a widely available fast charging network.

 

[Quotient]

In my opinion no other electric car is even on the same playing field as a Tesla without a widely available fast charging network.

The fast charging network is only beneficial if you are doing long distance trips. If you primarily drive within your town/city then it doesn't have as much value.

 

[mcfrank]

They are charging $1k for an color besides black? That is crazy.

Tesla has always done this (as does BMW and a ton of other people)

 

[Draper]

Hm, but I want a white interior

 

[killertofu]

Idk I kinda like the interior?

But the exterior somehow reminds me of a Caviler... or at least just gives me the same feeling. It's just...there

 

[SteveMeister]

The fast charging network is only beneficial if you are doing long distance trips. If you primarily drive within your town/city then it doesn't have as much value.

...and you're not supposed to use SuperChargers for "regular" charging. They're meant for road trips, which is why many of them (in the US anyway) are at highway rest stops. Tesla expects owners to charge at home most of the time, and the cars come with a variety of adapters so owners can plug in at most types of public charging stations.

 

[mcfrank]

Hm, but I want a white interior

Said that is coming in Fall, so I think it will be there for most people.

 

[Draper]

Said that is coming in Fall, so I think it will be there for most people.

Did I read it wrong somewhere that it's only included in the non-premium package?

That would be awfully weird.

 

[Doodis]

I really wanted AWD, but I'm not going to wait until next fall and lose the full tax credit. So, It looks like I'll be getting:

• Standard battery
• Premium upgrade
• Enhanced autopilot
• Pearl white or midnight silver color

Sticking with the 18" aero wheels (I actually like them—most people seem to hate them) and I'll unlock full self driving later when it's ready for prime time. Waited in line on day one and my estimated delivery is Jan-Mar.

 

[duderon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiv9esQ3Glw

Nice overview of the interior from Bjorn.

 

[hohoXD123]

God these options are so expensive. The glass roof was one of the features I was looking most forward to, so that's more money, then there's the extended battery which is too useful to pass up then the autopilot features....urgh

Living in the UK too so this will probably end up being pretty damn expensive.

 

[therealist]

I'm saddened by this but I can't get this car at this time. I was a day 1 reservation holder but will have to cancel. With my commute length and charging situation, the things that I'd have to do to make this vehicle work for me is too burdensome. Owning a car like the Tesla is supposed to make my life easier, but if I get it now, it'll make my life harder.

Maybe in a couple of years I can do it, but not at this time.

Gonna check out the Ioniq from Hyundai during the meantime.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

You can now check your deliver estimate via here:

https://3.tesla.com/model3/delivery-estimate

Says Late 2018 for me for all standard, extended and AWD model. I'll stick to AWD.

Gonna check out the Ioniq from Hyundai during the meantime.

I love Ioniq, I was an inch away from buying it but the 200km range is too shallow for me. The features and interior is amazing though! I'll see if 2018 Ioniq comes with a bigger battery.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

If you don't care definitely get the 18s. They'll last longer and give you a smoother quieter ride. The only thing better about bigger weels is maybe the look, and that's debatable.

In general, bigger wheels are some of the most impractical things on a car ever.

The difference in tire lifetime is astounding. The tires on the regular 19" wheels on the S last typically 30,000-40,000 miles. The tires on the 21" wheels last about 4,000 miles. I didn't just typo that. The tires last 10 times longer on the smaller wheels! There just isn't enough rubber stretched across those giant rims.

The enormous rim to rubber ratio on the 21" wheels also creates a problem if you should ever bump into a curb or drive over a pothole in your life, and the odds are at some point you will. On the 21" wheels, touching a curb or driving over a pothole will gouge an enormous road rash into your rims and enjoy the expense of repairing or replacing your rims. On the 19" wheels, you can bump the curb or drive over a pothole and not immediately trash your rims though I would strongly not recommend driving straight at a curb with 45-degree angle of attack to test this. You can still fuck your rims up with the 19" wheels.

TL;DR: Don't get bigger wheels, they are like throwing money in the toilet and flushing.

 

[Vanillalite]

I'd like to get the long range model, but my current car isn't that old. Plus the pricing on the long range model while not model s pricing isn't exactly cheap.

It's definitely in a class above the Bolt and such, but IDK if I am comfortable swinging the total cost with add-ons and doing the work to get a charging station at home. :/

 

[Unknown Soldier]

All you need is a standard NEMA 14-50 240v outlet in your garage. This is the same standard outlet used for electric ranges, welders, and RVs. Your local electrician should only charge you around $200-400 for an outlet in your garage close to your breaker box, assuming a short wire run and no need to upgrade your house's electricity service. If the electrician comes and tells you it's $1,000 to put a NEMA 14-50 in, smile and say thank you and call an electrician who isn't trying to rip you off.

 

[Culex]

I'm assuming the D version is going to have a large premium over non awd version. It's a 5k extra cost for the model S. sucks because that puts it bare bones at 41k with no hope of tax credit!

 

[Vanillalite]

All you need is a standard NEMA 14-50 240v outlet in your garage. This is the same standard outlet used for electric ranges, welders, and RVs. Your local electrician should only charge you around $200-400 for an outlet in your garage close to your breaker box, assuming a short wire run and no need to upgrade your house's electricity service. If the electrician comes and tells you it's $1,000 to put a NEMA 14-50 in, smile and say thank you and call an electrician who isn't trying to rip you off.

I'm in an older house that was built in the 1960s. So I'm affraid it might take more of an upgrade for me, but I'd have to get an electrician out.

Even still not sure I'd want to shell out basically 50K. Like I want something slightly bigger and nicer than the Bolt, but to get the range I want you gotta pay a heafty fee to get the larger battery. Idk... I guess in terms of my mind/wallet if I could pay the standard model price and get the range of the long range version I'd be in.

 

[FinKL]

You can now check your deliver estimate via here:

https://3.tesla.com/model3/delivery-estimate

Says Late 2018 for me for all standard, extended and AWD model. I'll stick to AWD.



I love Ioniq, I was an inch away from buying it but the 200km range is too shallow for me. The features and interior is amazing though! I'll see if 2018 Ioniq comes with a bigger battery.

Thanks for this! Wondering if everyone's else looks the same for preorders:

First Production
310 mile range with Rear Wheel Drive
$49,000
Mar - May 2018

Standard Battery
220 mile range with Rear Wheel Drive
$35,000
May - Jul 2018

Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive
Choice of 220 or 310 mile range
Dec 2018 - Feb 2019

 

[therealist]

All you need is a standard NEMA 14-50 240v outlet in your garage. This is the same standard outlet used for electric ranges, welders, and RVs. Your local electrician should only charge you around $200-400 for an outlet in your garage close to your breaker box, assuming a short wire run and no need to upgrade your house's electricity service. If the electrician comes and tells you it's $1,000 to put a NEMA 14-50 in, smile and say thank you and call an electrician who isn't trying to rip you off.

I'm in an apartment building, no dice.

 

[RustyNails]

You can now check your deliver estimate via here:

https://3.tesla.com/model3/delivery-estimate

Says Late 2018 for me for all standard, extended and AWD model. I'll stick to AWD.



I love Ioniq, I was an inch away from buying it but the 200km range is too shallow for me. The features and interior is amazing though! I'll see if 2018 Ioniq comes with a bigger battery.

Why does it say my preference couldnt be saved?

Thanks for this! Wondering if everyone's else looks the same for preorders:

First Production
310 mile range with Rear Wheel Drive
$49,000
Mar - May 2018

Standard Battery
220 mile range with Rear Wheel Drive
$35,000
May - Jul 2018

Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive
Choice of 220 or 310 mile range
Dec 2018 - Feb 2019

First Production
310 mile range with Rear Wheel Drive
$49,000
Jan - Mar 2018
Standard Battery
220 mile range with Rear Wheel Drive
$35,000
Apr - Jun 2018
Dual Motor All-Wheel Drive
Choice of 220 or 310 mile range
Nov 2018 - Jan 2019

But I cant get the darn thing to save.

 

[vehn]

All you need is a standard NEMA 14-50 240v outlet in your garage. This is the same standard outlet used for electric ranges, welders, and RVs. Your local electrician should only charge you around $200-400 for an outlet in your garage close to your breaker box, assuming a short wire run and no need to upgrade your house's electricity service. If the electrician comes and tells you it's $1,000 to put a NEMA 14-50 in, smile and say thank you and call an electrician who isn't trying to rip you off.

My breaker box was in the basement, and they had to run wire across that room, then upstairs through a den, and then into the garage. Had 4 people come out and it was always 1300 - 1700, including the 190 permit work

 

[RustyNails]

My breaker box was in the basement, and they had to run wire across that room, then upstairs through a den, and then into the garage. Had 4 people come out and it was always 1300 - 1700, including the 190 permit work

Is NEMA 14-50 outlet a must? Cant I use any old regular outlet in my garage?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Is NEMA 14-50 outlet a must? Cant I use any old regular outlet in my garage?

Curious as well.

 

[vehn]

Is NEMA 14-50 outlet a must? Cant I use any old regular outlet in my garage?

If you use a regular outlet, you charge at 4 miles / hour. I did that for 2 months with my model s, since I only had a 10 minute commute to work and lived 25 min away from a supercharger. But as soon as you want to drive a whole bunch in a weekend over consecutive days... you pretty much can't without having to go to the supercharger which can be annoying as that's 1-2 hours taken from your day.

So the 14-50 allows 25 miles per hour, meaning you can pretty much drive wherever. Was worth it for me to spend the 1,300... plus Maryland offers tax rebate of 40% off the installation, so that will help next year.

 

[duderon]

Is NEMA 14-50 outlet a must? Cant I use any old regular outlet in my garage?

You'll want some sort of 220v outlet, otherwise charging at home isn't practical.

 

[mcfrank]

Was 20th in line at Santa Monica Tesla store.

 

[shwimpy]

waiting for the AWD full package in 2019.

 

[hateradio]

You can now check your deliver estimate via here:

https://3.tesla.com/model3/delivery-estimate

Says Late 2018 for me for all standard, extended and AWD model. I'll stick to AWD.

I love Ioniq, I was an inch away from buying it but the 200km range is too shallow for me. The features and interior is amazing though! I'll see if 2018 Ioniq comes with a bigger battery.

Nice.

 

[The Iron Yuppie]

I'm in an apartment building, no dice.

I'm curious if there's any EV veterans here who lived in an apartment and successfully convinced their management company to install the necessary outlets in an individual garage. I'm going to have to have that fight, and I just moved. I'm not looking to rent/buy a house at this point.

 

[RustyNails]

Thanks for the outlet info. Guess I'll schedule an appointment with an electrician.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Too bad I can't give this to someone who wants it short of buying the car outright and then turning around and selling it.

 

[mercenar1e]

teslas remind me of the unlicensed/fake vehicles they use in video games. they need to come up with a better looking dashboard.

 

[toohectic]

Is there any external badge on the car that differentiates between the two versions? I couldn't see anything on the various release photos. Since they never discussed battery capacity in terms of kWh, I doubt they use that as the identifier... but perhaps they have an LR badge or something to identify the long range version.

Also, I wonder if the dual motor version will be identified as a "P" performance model. I'm really debating waiting for the dual motor, but that's another bump to the price. I'm a SoCal resident, so I don't need it for snow or anything, but I would like the improved performance / acceleration.

 

[RastaMentality]

So since this car has no HUD or instrument cluster, you can't see how fast you're going unless you look to your right? crazyyy.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

So since this car has no HUD or instrument cluster, you can't see how fast you're going unless you look to your right? crazyyy.

Yeah, that kind of blows my mind. Not even a small dash with digital readout.

Interested to see how tge first owners like that.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Yeah, that kind of blows my mind. Not even a small dash with digital readout.

Interested to see how tge first owners like that.

A HUD would've done it wonders.