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Tesla Model 3 will be revealed on March 31st
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In other parts of the world, its very influential to the purchase.
I live in Australia - its about $1.20 a litre or A$4.80 a gallon ~US$4 a gallon.
In the UK its even more. Singapore/ Hong Kong is even more expensive than Australia. There's a lot of savings in the petrol cost alone. I've estimated I could save around A$2000 a year in Australia. Its not insignificant. For the model S it mattered less, but the savings are much greater for the model 3 in proportion to the capital cost.
Air filtration not good enough to get it out of the way? Because normally that's an important part of a laser cutter (given that a lot of things tend to release a noxious fume upon been burnt).
twinturbo2
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Sigh. Let's go over this again. Read this article from the LA Times first.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hil...-20160401-snap-htmlstory.html#nt=oft12aH-1li3
Then this one from the same source.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-tesla-challenges-20160401-story.html#nt=oft12aH-1li3
You'd think that the newspaper of record in one of the most liberal cities in the US would be fawning over the Model 3, but if they published not one, but two stories skeptical of Tesla's success, then that's worth noting, isn't it?
Tesla burned through a lot of cash, has a history of missing deadlines, the Model S and Model X have serious quality issues in the field, and the basically ceded a year-long sales advantage to the Chevy Bolt EV. Elon may be a great showman, but history isn't kind in terms of him delivering the goods, and letting GM have first mover advantage is going to bite him in the ass pretty quickly.
I drive one, it came out like a couple years ago...
100 mile range actually. 30kwh battery (27kwh usable), briefly was the longest range non-Tesla EV (current model year Leaf is competitive now).
kutthoat5150
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not my mock up but I prefer this design. If Tesla offered a HUD as an option as well I'd reconsider cancelling my reservation
Don't you troll Tesla and hype Chevy in nearly every one of these threads lol? I remember you calling Teslas vaporware a while ago. Give it up dude.
This stuff is known by every analyst of the company, even the bulls. Just because the LA Times writes it doesn't mean it's doom and gloom for the company. I don't think anyone has died in a Tesla recently either.
I mean, good on you for hoping against hope that the Bolt will do well and GM will claim the EV crown or whatever, but I can't see it happening. The first mover advantage doesn't make the Bolt an appealing car. Maybe if Tesla goes bankrupt like you're predicting.
No need for a conspiracy. There's a whole lot more money to be made on combustion engine cars since electrical cars need so much less servicing. EVs have way simpler engines, don't have clutches, fuel pumps, exhaust systems and whatever. Even the breaks detoriorate less because of regenerative breaking. Car manufacturers will try to delay the switch to EVs as long as possible because when it does happen, the entire industry will contract by a considerable margin.
Odd that there isn't much, maybe it's a sign?
I think they kept it to a minimum on purpose as the only time in the car was the quick ride.
Mengy
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Musk isn't interested in record profit margins, his entire reason for starting Tesla in the first place was to get the public driving EV's as soon as possible. He's stated in multiple interviews that he WANTS the auto industry to follow and copy him and start selling competitive EV's of their own, that was his goal from the start. He's even selling components to the competition already to help them out! The Bolt is only one example, but it's proof positive of the ways that Elon's Tesla company has pulled the auto industry into FINALLY accepting and marketing EV's that people want. Musk's ideals and truism have given his company something invaluable: consumer respect, and it's paying off for him in dividends despite the missed deadlines and quality issues.
BUT, your argument about the Bolt having first mover advantage isn't a very good one. Elon just sold preorders for 200,000 Model 3's in two days, MORE THAN A YEAR before they are even available. How many Chevy Bolt's do you think are pre-ordered? It's far less than the Model 3. And they are coming out this year! And then there are the rumors of the Bolt simply being a compliance car for Chevy and limited to 30,000 units per year. They aren't going to beat Musk at his own game if that's true.
So, can you please stop trolling this thread about the unveiling of the Model 3 now and start your own thread about how Tesla Motors is going to fail? Thank you.
Yes, all of this. Auto industry was due for some major innovation and Tesla has done that. This is a shot to the entire industry. Job well done.
At the moment, still about 140k (of the original 200k limit). By the time the Model 3 releases, who knows?
Some napkin maths: Tesla plans to ship 90k vehicles this year though keep in mind that's the international goal, the tax credit only applies to cars sold in the US (obviously). If we say that half of that 90k goes to the US, then that means they'll hit 100k left by the end of the year. If they ship 100k S's and X's next year and the 3 actually ships on time, then they'll be down to about 60k by launch time and that 60k will still be shared amongst all three vehicles whilst the 3 is still ramping up production. Realistically, I guess we can expect that maybe only 40k 3 owners will qualify for the full credit.
What will really be interesting to see is how many owners Tesla can accommodate for in the 1 year phase out period that follows. How quickly can Tesla ramp up production.
The purpose of the tax credit is to spark demand. Clearly there is no issue with demand here.
Joel Was Right
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Crucially, Musk has always advertised this car as a 35k one and not 27.5k. But you're right, people could save 20% of the cost were Congress to subsidise it. I don't think its necessarily a deal breaker though. Anyone who has reserved this car has done on the mindset that they can afford the 35k.
forknknife
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That actually looks nicer than the actual design, fuck :/
It can damage the machine too is what I've always been told.
SteveMeister
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Well, the full tax credit doesn't drop instantly -- two calendar quarters (6 months) after the 200k mark is reached, the credit drops by half. 2 quarters later, it drops by half again, and finally two quarters later it drops to zero. So people will be getting some tax credit until 18 months after 200k is reached.
Yeah if tesla can crank these out, hundreds of thousands will get some credit.
AstroNut325
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I prefer the no grill.
LordOfChaos
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Elon tweeted some Model 3 concept sketches they did
He also effectively released his patents to anyone who wanted to build electric cars as well. The dude is cool.
Oh really, didn't realise that there was 6 months before the first drop (I thought that happened straight away). That makes a lot more sense logistically when you think about it.
That varies dramatically depending on where you are.
Yeah, would be unfortunate otherwise. "Sorry, some other guy bought one a couple hours ago."
Should give you a kWh cost in your electric bill. Multiply that by size of the battery.
Elon tweeted some Model 3 concept sketches they did
So I guess they actually do intend for the interior to be like that
not my mock up but I prefer this design. If Tesla offered a HUD as an option as well I'd reconsider cancelling my reservation
Wow, this looks a lot more visually balanced and would be in line with how the Model X looks. While I prefer the "full grill" mockup that was posted earlier in this thread, it appears Tesla is moving away from faux grills since there is no need. I was thinking that the front of the car is just missing something - even just moving the Tesla logo from the top of the hood to the front may look better than having a blank space.
That being said, my state requires a front license plate, so the lines of the car are going to be disrupted with that for me anyway.
SteveMeister
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I'm on the east coast and got my email 19 hours after making my reservation.
Are you sure a spam filter didn't grab it?
Can you log into my tesla and see the car?
Banjo Tango
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I'd probably cancel my preorder if the credit disappeared... I have a hard time justifying more than 25k on a car, and I don't think I drive enough to make it up in gas / maintenance savings.
That said, the car looks great!
I didn't have a MyTesla account until the day after I ordered. I have no one, but it isn't showing up.
I do have the $1000 charge on my credit card, so I know that went through.
Nothing in my junk folder..
edit: Actually, the $1000 charge still shows as pending. Could this be holding up the process? I seriously hope I don't get pushed to the back of the line just because my bank is slow at processing things.
I've read almost everything regarding Tesla and the LA Times has an obvious bias against the company. And Elon Musk fails to deliver? First American car company to succeed in 90 years, first entity that isn't a country to launch a spacecraft to orbit, single handedly established the quickest and best supported fast charging network for EVs in the world, first long-range electric car, first long range electric SUV. The list goes on and on.
Keep latching on to the Bolt and you'll see GM is woefully prepared to sell the car en masse. To sell a lot of EVs you need a huge amount of batteries and GM has to share their supply. It won't beat the Model S in sales next year, most likely ever. You need to read up on the innovator's dilemma.
Are you sure about that? I asked about dropping money on a preorder, and the reason I got here and reddit was that the deposit of 1k is refundable, and more crucially, that people want to take advantage of the 7.5k credit before it expires.
So there's an 18 month period between the credit expiring and the credit becoming zero. If there's a failure to renew this tax credit during that period and Tesla is not able to ramp up production considerably, there will be a lot of preorder customers faced with the prospect of paying 35k at the absolute minimum for their cars. If that credit was a factor in preordering their vehicle, why wouldn't there be a wave of cancellations for those who can't take advantage of it?
SteveMeister
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The tax credit is not a rebate, and it's not deducted from the purchase price of the vehicle. You claim the credit when you file taxes for the year in which you bought the car, and the amount is credited towards the taxes you owe, reducing that amount.
Everyone who buys an ev or hybrid that qualifies for a tax credit pays the "full" price, but the net cost is eventually reduced when they file their taxes, assuming they didn't under pay their taxes over the course of that year.
Missing that tax credit would suck but on the other hand you'd own an instant collector's item of a car
Yessir, On another note that's a big reason to lease an EV - savings are already included
Yessir, On another note that's a big reason to lease an EV - savings are already included
Yes, but Teslas can charge on standard chargers as well.
SteveMeister
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And even though they're proprietary, Tesla is open to the idea of licensing the tech to other automakers.
This is from last September:
Elon Musk said:
EatinOlives
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This. The Bolt has no hope of selling even a fraction of what the Model 3 will, and even if they do approach that amount they'll be incredibly under-prepared to produce that many cars.
The harsh reality is that the Bolt will not be able to compete on the Model 3's level. Dissenters can quote LA Times op-eds all they like, it won't change that fact.
metareferential
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And the Bolt is ugly as fuck anyway xD
Musk himself said he can envision Tesla rivaling Porsche's margins. Of course he wants this.
http://www.valuewalk.com/2013/06/tesla-motors-inc-tslas-gross-margins-to-surpass-porsche-musk/
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