I'm not sure what this even means. Star Wars is 30 years old, so if by timeless you mean it stands the test of time, shouldn't we, um, see how Avatar holds up over the next few years at least? As a very, very big fan of the original trilogy, you're overstating its strengths a great deal. Personally, the flying scenes in Avatar are just as - if not more - transporting as anything in Star Wars. I suspect it will hold up, but by definition can't judge something like "legacy" out the gates.TheGreatDave said:
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doktorpeace
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TheGreatDave speaks the truth on Avatar. You would be wise to listen to him.
If I just turned that movie on at home, like selected it from onDemand or something... it would've been off after 20 minutes.
And I'm not a huge Quentin fan, but I did like the writing in Inglorious B's. The pub scene, for instance, was an incredible display of
If I just turned that movie on at home, like selected it from onDemand or something... it would've been off after 20 minutes.
And I'm not a huge Quentin fan, but I did like the writing in Inglorious B's. The pub scene, for instance, was an incredible display of
how to build up tension before all hell breaks loose.
Whether or not she deserves it, I think Bullock is a great winner.
as singular movies, i would give Star Wars: A new Hope a better developed cast and mythology than AvatarJibril said:
Titanic is remembered, but I wouldn't say it's near and dear to a generation heart for being a good movie. Titanic, from what i see is never remembered for having been a great movie. it's remembered for being so incredibly popular and for making leo and Kate's career.
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Dresden said:
Trust me, I agree, but in terms of his work, it's the lowest on most people's lists.
Dead said:I dont see that happening at all.
Avatar will get sequels that will not only keep the film in the public eye for probably the next decade, they will add to the film and to its universe, making the first film a necessary stepping stone into an actual fully fledged franchise.
And if there is one person who knows how to do sequels, its James Cameron
The idea of an Avatar sequel means nothing to me because I can't visualize any follow-up to that movie being handled in a way I could possibly care about. Everything is pretty much resolved in the first movie, and any attempt to bring humans back into it would probably make the movie even more one-sided than it already was.
Maybe I'm missing something obvious (I didn't like Avatar a ton anyways), since other people anticipate a sequel because they actually want one, but I really can't imagine Avatar as an expansive franchise.
District 9 doesn't seem like a "franchise" sort of movie, but I can imagine a compelling follow-up to that much more easily than I can imagine an Avatar 2.
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doktorpeace said:
So opinions are now "truth"?
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Originally Posted by ryutaro's mama: said:
TheGreatDave said:
To reiterate "theGreatDave's" point even further, which two movies you're most likely to give a respectful nod to after hearing their title: "Aliens" and "Terminator 2" or 'True Lies" and '"Titanic"?
My guess is, Avatar will most likely fit better in the latter two as a Jim Cameron legacy ten-fifteen years from now than the former two.
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yeah, she's really likeable.Jibril said:
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Obviously, it's impossible to say for sure we won't be building statues of blue aliens in 30 years. But what I mean is I didn't see anything in the movie that stood out to me as being potentially iconic. The closest you've got is the general design of the N'avi. Character-wise, musically, art design, I just don't see anything that could compete with even the original Star Wars in pop culture. If GAF is still up in 30 years, maybe I'll owe you a Coke.GhaleonEB said:
Yeah AND an Austinite. Represent!julls said:
I'll also add: I'm the only person on earth who thinks Aliens turned the tense, bleak and masterful horror of Alien into a cheesy action flick, but I'm right and america is wrong. I loved it as a kid, but rewatching that shit left me embarrased. Aliens in rubber suits jumping towards the camera in slow motion as crates explode in the background... too bad man. Too bad.
Again, I know ya'll think I'm wrong. But I aint!
well thats just like, your opinion dude.EricHasNoPull said:
Its not like there is a dividing line in Camerons career.
True Lies came out a few years after T2. Titanic, a few years after True Lies. I think Avatar is far better than both of them, and handily stands next to JCs other films, aside from The Abyss maybe, which is his most accomplished film.
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This is why Avatar didn't deserve best picture:
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EricHasNoPull said:
Since neither of us have a time machine, time will tell.
Oh and here's some food for thought: You named T2 and Aliens ( both sequels). Cameron does sequels very well and AHBUHDAR is getting a sequel.
Dresden said:
So where's the conflict, now that humans have basically left the planet?
Dead said:
I'd say Terminator had room to grow (I mean, there's a whole resistance we don't know about at the end of the first one), but Aliens is a pretty bold leap away from the original.
As I said, I guess it's possible, but I don't know how it would work.
I haven't been following Avatar news super-closely, but is the idea of an Avatar 2 something that has the suits at Fox excited, or is it something that Cameron actually wants to create?
Cameron has said he has plans for Avatar 2 and 3 since well before the movie was released. He's also said there are scenes in the first movie that have specific lead ins to a sequel. Not to mention he has some things that didn't make it from the original scriptment that he said would most likely be featured in the sequels.sonicmj1 said:
Its not something they started talking about once the movie became a hit.
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sonicmj1 said:
Both.
People are saying it won't have a legacy. I disagree completely. It is the best selling movie of all time. Getting that achievemetn at least confirms that your movie will have a legacy post mortem. It will be a franchise. And people will see the next two movies. The fact is Harry Potter movies, LOTR movies, spiderman movies, the batman movies, and even transformers movies will be seen 20 years from now similar to how jurassic park, back to the future, indiana jones, ghostbuster, and home alone was in the late 70s-early 90s. The fact is those movies were the movies of our generation, similar to how the movies above were the movies of our parents.
Didn't Cameron pretty much say that he didn't think the humans would just leave it like that. They would return to stir more shit.sonicmj1 said:
Anyways, I'm happy The Hurtlocker won.
Avatar was a fantastic spectacle and a great movie going experience but I thought The Hurtlocker was the better movie.
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they're very different films, but i don't know how anyone could call aliens 'cheesy'.Staccat0 said:Yeah AND an Austinite. Represent!
I'll also add: I'm the only person on earth who thinks Aliens turned the tense, bleak and masterful horror of Alien into a cheesy action flick, but I'm right and america is wrong. I loved it as a kid, but rewatching that shit left me embarrased. Aliens in rubber suits jumping towards the camera in slow motion as crates explode in the background... too bad man. Too bad.
Again, I know ya'll think I'm wrong. But I aint!
and i dont think that ever happened! (slo mo aliens)
but that's for another thread
maybe ill look up some videos on youtube :lolBowieZ said:
edit you found it! haha... "see that guy... kinda out of focus and obscured in the background...'
ill search for more !
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True Lies is probably my second favorite of his.
I don't want to derail because I know I'll just get thrashed, but it suprised the shit out of me. That said, I don't have a nostalgic bone in my body. I tend to tear things I liked as a kid apart.julls said:they're very different films, but i don't know how anyone could call aliens 'cheesy'.
and i dont think that ever happened! (slo mo aliens)
but that's for another thread
maybe ill look up some videos on youtube :lol
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Dresden said:
That doesn't surprise me, but if that's how it goes, I'm not sure how you make a relatable story about, "Humans attempt to destroy beautiful, enlightened aliens, are beaten back by awesome alien hero." At least the first one had Jake's story to give it some human grounding.
Betting against Cameron is always dangerous, so he probably has something in mind. It doesn't seem to be a simple puzzle to me, though.
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wizword said:
This is true. Avatar will be remembered and I would disagree with anyone that says other wise. It will be a sci-fi classic, it will be a move other generations see. But I think it will be just viewed as one of those fun movie experience films like a Jurassic Park. I don't expect a legacy anywhere near the level of a Star Wars.
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sonicmj1 said:
He also said it will be a "stand alone" sequel so that, in 4 years if MIMIC is still trying to convince himself to go see AHBUHDAR, he won't need to to enjoy the sequel!!!
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i do that a lot, but every time i watch that movie i'm on the edge of my seat. ebert's review sums up my feelings about it pretty well. it's completely draining and exhausting. in a good way.Staccat0 said:
anyway... oscars! woo!
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