Hospitals/physicians cannot legally turn away any emergency. Costs are usually absorbed by the hospital/physicians.
EDIT: This is if they cannot pay for it at all.
The $70 childbirth bill
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Hospitals/physicians cannot legally turn away any emergency. Costs are usually absorbed by the hospital/physicians.
EDIT: This is if they cannot pay for it at all.
grimshawish
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ugh. It ends up cheaper. Its so ridiculous. This is just a way for a local politician not to use the word 'taxes' thats all. They've made it a dirty word and lied to people about what can be afforded.
Now this is the results. Sad as anything. And stupid.
The great American con - the poor pay taxes so the rich don't have to.
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The problem with just looking at inflation is that it doesn't take into account the changes in medical care. We use so many more medicines, equipment, techniques, and different type of specialty personnel in hospitals these days. It isn't just one doctor, a nurse, and a handful of drugs. Things are so expensive because everything involved is so expensive. It's a huge problem.
I would like to see a comparison of the cost of the exact same procedure in the USA vs. say England or Sweden. Not the cost to the patient, but the actual amount of money it costs for the products, equipment, personell, etc.
GraveRobberX
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I'll give you an example of Health Care misfortunes
I have no Insurance, I can't qualify for any governmental assistance due to me being an illegal immigrant
I had an abscess on my right index finger, it grew to huge bulb, that literally started leaking
I went to Elmhurst (Local) Hospital, had to go to Emergency, which then was given a 1 week wait to see a doctor in the Hand department
Went to see him, he did some tests, needed surgery
2 weeks went buy till my surgery date for it
My procedure roughly came it to $5000+
I had to go to war to get it down, it came out to roughly $200 when all shit was said and done
Luckily Elmhurst has an amnesty program in place for these kind of situations
I don't go to the hospital because of the exorbitant fees
I have done multiple self removals (help of my mother) of In-Grown Toe Nails
If I go to the hospital its a $1,000 charge just to see a doctor in the emergency room
(Amnesty Program does not always kick in)
I have no Insurance, I can't qualify for any governmental assistance due to me being an illegal immigrant
I had an abscess on my right index finger, it grew to huge bulb, that literally started leaking
I went to Elmhurst (Local) Hospital, had to go to Emergency, which then was given a 1 week wait to see a doctor in the Hand department
Went to see him, he did some tests, needed surgery
2 weeks went buy till my surgery date for it
My procedure roughly came it to $5000+
I had to go to war to get it down, it came out to roughly $200 when all shit was said and done
Luckily Elmhurst has an amnesty program in place for these kind of situations
I don't go to the hospital because of the exorbitant fees
I have done multiple self removals (help of my mother) of In-Grown Toe Nails
If I go to the hospital its a $1,000 charge just to see a doctor in the emergency room
(Amnesty Program does not always kick in)
33-Hit-Combo
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You're going to get ripped apart...
Delusibeta
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They, along with literally every other developed country on Earth, don't charge at point of service, but rather charge via taxes, and I'd be willing to bet that the average amount of tax money spent on healthcare per taxpayer per year is less than $11,000.
GraveRobberX
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With govt run health care, I think we will be able to control those types of costs a lot more easily.
We absolutely pay way more per item here, no argument there. A single-payer system could help tremendously with that. I was just saying you can't expect it to scale up linearly. I just spent a month in an ICU and it was pretty amazing just how much goes into it. So many highly educated and skilled people as well, not just doctors and nurses.
Honestly, what did you expect? No insurance, as an illegal you're not really subsidizing any of the costs, and your conditions require emergency + surgery.
Delusibeta
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Come to the UK, most hospitals can't charge a point of sale even if it's chemotherapy, never mind in-growing toenails: you'll probably have a nurse remove 'em for free.
scar tissue
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This.
Just got a notification from my medical insurance detailing what costs they paid for me in 2012.
The medical services I got are worth almost 1.500$, and I didn't have to pay a cent for it.
Hell, my insurance is free too, because I'm still at university.
Damn, I love living in a first world country.
CharlieDigital
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Yeah, poor and not even a legal citizen. Death, is too good for him. Sub-humans!
CyclopsRock
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It's not that surprising, is it? There is an episode of the West Wing where Toby talks about how, whilst the cost of the average car hasn't gone down, what you get for that money has gone up. The US infant mortality rate has improved by around 500% since 1950.
Pfft, instigating something by twisting words.
CyclopsRock
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Your sarcasm fueled response doesn't actually answer the question of how a system can support people that are only ever net beneficiaries. Even socialised systems don't work if no one paid tax. No matter the system, every time someone doesn't pay, someone else has to pay more.
But how is that fair for doctors? :/
-Pyromaniac-
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As a canadian I'm once again blown away that someone has the gall to charge another person for childbirth lol. Shit is supposed to be a celebration.
I believe doctors are paid a base wage.
Patrick Bateman
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They should charge some people for producing one.
Dude Abides
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What is someone with a standard normal delivery getting for their markup?
POWERSPHERE
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GraveRobberX
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You do realize illegals do pay taxes right?
We pay taxes and get none of the benefits
Illegal immigrants pay Social Security tax, won't benefit
I wonder if you get a 2 for 1 special if you have twins.
-Pyromaniac-
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coupons!
scar tissue
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The USA are leagues behind other first world countries in terms of health care. So ridiculous.
I suspect you're Dutch seeing the cost of the insurance.
It's important to note that a big part of our coverage is paid by employers.
So yeah our shit is expensive too but at least everybody gets to pay their fair share so that individuals don't have to shell out 10k for their newborn child.
You should compare it to other nations. Europe and Canada have a lower infant mortality rate and dont get jobbered by out of pocket medical costs like we do
Only stupid ones
How is he only a net beneficiary unless he's getting paid under the table (thus no income or employment taxes collected) and never buys anything (no sales tax collected)?
scar tissue
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You mean 48,1% of the population?
I know some people didn't vote, and not every Romney voter is against universal healthcare.
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Delusibeta
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I thought Romney only got 47.4% of the vote?
Fear of death panels (state sponsored review panels run by bureaucrats denying healthcare to the elderly and very ill by boiling it down to a purely economic decision), fear of rationed healthcare and very long waits for procedures, fear of massive tax increases.
Ignorance and misinformation about the quality and quantity of care in systems like the NHS. Also fear of giving handouts to the poor.
scar tissue
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Dunno, I googled the percentage. I really don't care, all I know is that it's somewhere between 45 and 50%, that's enough.
And we're just behind Poland, and North Ireland and Cuba and Hungary and well almost the rest of the first world. All of whom pay much less in healthcare.
Half of that seems like invalid paranoia to me. As for the "massive tax increases", it cost money to put a system like that in place but surely even a shortsighted person can see the benefit to having a system like that in place. Not to mention the money you would save from not paying the insurance company thousands ??
Youre over-estimating Fox News voters
grimshawish
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Tbf a lot of this is connected to lifestyles and education. Not healthcare.
Angelus Errare
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It is invalid paranoia and they are shortsighted.
AARP actually came out in support of Obamacare and they lost thousand of members for it. It's crazy how closed minded people are on this topic.
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