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[Trilobit]

This is 100 years before TPM. The High Republic was a time when the Jedi weren't like what they were in the Prequels, but this is at the tail end of that era and their decline has to start somewhere.. Hell, the first scene on Coruscant in the show is Vernestra trying to cover up a murder just because it makes the optics look bad to the politicians.

At some point we need to see jedis actually being competent and good as an organization. At this point what with the Disney trilogy, the prequels and now The Acolyte it seems like they have always been crappy.

Whenever I rewatch A New Hope I'm struck by its wonderful idealism. It fills me with an optimism few movies do. I like how Kenobi has an aura of wisdom about him and how Luke starts to believe in himself with his help. Those things are some of the core parts of Star Wars which the prequels sadly ditched.

 

[DeafTourette]

At some point we need to see jedis actually being competent and good as an organization. At this point what with the Disney trilogy, the prequels and now The Acolyte it seems like they have always been crappy.

Whenever I rewatch A New Hope I'm struck by its wonderful idealism. It fills me with an optimism few movies do. I like how Kenobi has an aura of wisdom about him and how Luke starts to believe in himself with his help. Those things are some of the core parts of Star Wars which the prequels sadly ditched.

I think when any organization made up of flawed individuals has been in a position of power for too long, even with the best of ideals and intentions, they're destined to fall apart or be subject to exploitation. ESPECIALLY if they are rigid and unchanging in the way they do things.

 

[Trilobit]

I think when any organization made up of flawed individuals has been in a position of power for too long, even with the best of ideals and intentions, they're destined to fall apart or be subject to exploitation. ESPECIALLY if they are rigid and unchanging in the way they do things.

Dogmas are easily created in such environments. Perhaps we need to get a movie in the Old Republic era or whenever the jedis were reasonable people. I'm getting a bit tired about the bashing of them considering how they were portrayed in the original trilogy.

 

[BadBurger]

So I am rewatching this episode. The writers I feel did good in reminding the viewers that the Sith are a terrifying threat and much more powerful than any single Jedi. But I don't they stuck the landing.

Like the Stranger is practically Palpatine levels, but he also comes off as corny. Maybe it's just me.

Edit: there is def some horrible things going here

 

[ManaByte]

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

That's two hours

Not watching that

 

[AJUMP23]

I cannot wait to hate tonight's episode.

 

[AJUMP23]

That's two hours

Not watching that

90 minutes not 2 hours.....you can handle it. Watch it at 1.5 speed.

 

[ManaByte]

New Data Shows 'The Acolyte' as Second Most Successful Star Wars Show Ever - Surpassing Nearly All Others

Even before its release, 'Star Wars: The Acolyte' sparked considerable controversy. This stemmed from its premise, perceived lack of quality, and the backlash

fictionhorizon.com

 

[FunkMiller]

New Data Shows 'The Acolyte' as Second Most Successful Star Wars Show Ever - Surpassing Nearly All Others

Even before its release, 'Star Wars: The Acolyte' sparked considerable controversy. This stemmed from its premise, perceived lack of quality, and the backlash

fictionhorizon.com

What a weird article. Claims good news, but then:

For the past few weeks, we’ve been monitoring viewer data closely. Initially, ‘The Acolyte’ showed strong numbers just slightly below last year’s ‘Ahsoka.’ However, over the past two weeks, there has been a decline in “minutes watched,” with a drop of 31% followed by an 11% decrease. These statistics come from Luminate.

While some of this decline can be attributed to shorter episodes, recent episodes have been of similar duration. Therefore, the decrease is likely indicative of a slight waning interest in the show.

‘The Acolyte’ showed remarkable success, outperforming the average top 100 TV show by a factor of 6, which is a significant achievement. It was only surpassed by ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi,’ which outperformed by a factor of 8. However, despite these high scores, there’s a discrepancy with Luminate’s data showing a sharp decline in minutes watched.

 

[IntentionalPun]

New Data Shows 'The Acolyte' as Second Most Successful Star Wars Show Ever - Surpassing Nearly All Others

Even before its release, 'Star Wars: The Acolyte' sparked considerable controversy. This stemmed from its premise, perceived lack of quality, and the backlash

fictionhorizon.com

This is some company measuring “engagement” which wouldn’t be surprising if it was high.

The same article notes that this show started behind Ahsoka and has dropped fairly significantly since from another data source measuring solely viewers.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Anyways I dislike this show because I think both the writing and acting are bad. Not all Star Wars media is like that but a lot of it is. I don’t like most of that stuff lol

This show also just doesn’t have a cool vibe like for instance I think Mandalorian does. The only cool thing about this show is Darth Grinious.

I’ll keep watching for him though, just curious how it turns out. I’m not into Star Wars lore, dont care how many minorities are in a show, and certainly don’t care about lesbian witches. That is hardly some new “woke” thing, witches having lesbianism intertwined is as old as witch stories.

In the end it’s just kind of boring, but the episodes are short, can literally finish one while I do my stretching / warmup before I get all buff.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

90 minutes not 2 hours.....you can handle it. Watch it at 1.5 speed.

Still too long

 

[Billbofet]

What a weird article. Claims good news, but then:

That's called trying to sell a shit sandwich

 

[jason10mm]

That's called trying to sell a shit sandwich

Yeah, that article is just trash, reporting on trash metrics from other sources. I think it is trying to say that Acolyte is second only to Ahsoka for viewers? Well, hate to break it to ANYONE but only Mando got any real penetration for Star Wars and generate any merch, even obi-wan was in the shadow of that show, though of course mando was a while ago before there were some of these metrics to be compared. But I can show a pic of mando and grogu to ANYONE on the street and get a positive response, ain't no one know anyone from Acolyte or ahsoka (other than, didn't she give baby yoda to luke?)

Disney knows EXACLY the numbers, they presumably have the server feeds that show which accounts access each show, when they pause, stop, rewind, which accounts watch the show immediatly on drop, which ones rewatch the show over and over, and how many accounts watched part of 1 ep and never another second. So they don't need these "analytics reports", they have clean data. Trying to measure "engagement" sounds like a PR company struggling to sell news, I bet it's mostly predicated on how quickly a show is watched from release or how much it is watched versus other shows deemed "competitors".

At this point Lucasarts just needs to split the Star Wars production into a straight "Bridgerton" clone full of female empowerment , love triangles, men constantly admitting they were wrong, the force as a menstruation analogy, all that stuff, but on a shoestring budget and then let the rest of it be classic star wars for the real audience.

 

[IntentionalPun]

J jason10mm : it is actually saying that only Obi-Wan outdid that one companies “engagement” tracking.

The Ahsoka thing is from a different tracking company that is just focused on views.

Funny 2 of the most hated Star Wars things ever track the highest…. Gonna take a wild guess and say their metric is interpreting people talking shit as engagement lol

 

[BadBurger]

Really good episode. I like where things are going - things are being telegraphed pretty damned heavily. Manny Jacinto is going to get a lot more work after this.

 

[ManaByte]

Really good episode. I like where things are going - things are being telegraphed pretty damned heavily. Manny Jacinto is going to get a lot more work after this.

Confirmed that Sith aren’t even in the Jedi’s mind. They just think a Jedi has gone rogue. Those people crying about Ki-Ad-Mundi and “breaking canon” look like even bigger fucking idiots.

Qimir is probably Vernestra’s former Padawan.

 

[AJUMP23]

Back to garbage.


Bad is good good is bad let’s kill Star Wars with a stupid mask.

This show is slow, and boring and poorly written.

 

[BadBurger]

probably Vernestra’s former Padawan.

That seems to be the case, and he thinks she betrayed him (that whip shaped wound) although I get the feeling it was justified. because the guys is a proper villain through and through

Sol immediately changing his plans when he found out it was Mae, and then choosing to come clean to her and have the heart to heart he never had with Osha reveals that he feels more guilt over Mae than his former padawan. I am guessing it was because he truly did think that he accidentally killed Mae, and took on Osha as a padawan as a kind of penance. This is a guy who cares deeply for others, displayed by the director lingering on his anguish for a long time for a 60-ish (edit: I meant 30-ish) minute show.

The allusion with Osha putting on the helmet, the heavy Vader breathing, and then it fades to complete dark was right on the nose.

The only thing that throws me is Vernestra's line of "something to tip the scales". What scales? Does she secretly know of the Sith working with some rival political faction or something? I admit I zoned out on all of her political-related scenes.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Decent episode. Kind of obvious where it’s going though. That green chick is bad, man. Throwing Sol under the bus knowing it’s actually her old Padawan killing everyone.

Could be a red herring I guess, but she’s conveniently leading them in a direction away from it being a sith plus dude looked to have whip marks.

 

[ManaByte]

The only thing that throws me is Vernestra's line of "something to tip the scales". What scales? Does she secretly know of the Sith working with some rival political faction or something? I admit I zoned out on all of her political-related scenes.

She’s fighting with an ambitious senator who wants to disband the Jedi. If she can show a Jedi can go rogue and the Jedi are needed to police them, then that’s something that can tip the scales on her favor.

 

[jason10mm]

She’s fighting with an ambitious senator who wants to disband the Jedi. If she can show a Jedi can go rogue and the Jedi are needed to police them, then that’s something that can tip the scales on her favor.

I dunno, an argument that "we need cops because when a cop starts killing cops only cops can stop the cop from killing cops" isn't gonna make me loosen the tax pursestrings.

Though now that I think about is, a jedi version of Internal Affairs and a mcarthy-esque witchhunt might be cool.

If they didn't think they had purged themselves 1000 years ago, of course.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Liked it, but I hate that shit where finally we're going to hear what happened on their planet with the woke witches, the scene gets interupted like with the power turning on.

 

[InterMusketeer]

Confirmed that Sith aren’t even in the Jedi’s mind. They just think a Jedi has gone rogue. Those people crying about Ki-Ad-Mundi and “breaking canon” look like even bigger fucking idiots.

Did they bring up the Nihil you were theorizing about? Or are you just as "fucking idiotic" as everyone else interpreting that scene?

 

[ManaByte]

Did they bring up the Nihil you were theorizing about? Or are you just as "fucking idiotic" as everyone else interpreting that scene?

It’s a rogue Jedi. Which people here dismissed and randomly inserted Sith into the scene. This episode confirmed that was what they were worried about. Not Sith. The “something worse” is an idea of one of their own (a former Padawan) gone rogue and killing people.

 

[InterMusketeer]

It’s a rogue Jedi. Which people here dismissed and randomly inserted Sith into the scene. This episode confirmed that was what they were worried about. Not Sith. The “something worse” is an idea of one of their own (a former Padawan) gone rogue and killing people.

You "randomly inserted" the Nihil yourself. That's why I asked what makes your different from anyone else "randomly inserting" things to interpret a scene. Perhaps you could answer that question?

Also, no one dismissed anything. You should really read what people actually write, rather than arguing against whatever you dreamed up yourself.

 

[AJUMP23]

this is a good take

 

[ManaByte]

this is a good take

Funny how it’s always Weinstein’s assistant and always ignoring Russian Doll.

 

[AJUMP23]

Funny how it’s always Weinstein’s assistant and always ignoring Russian Doll.

What is Russian Doll?

 

[ManaByte]

What is Russian Doll?

The Netflix series that got her the job.

Russian Doll | Rotten Tomatoes

Emmy-nominated actress Natasha Lyonne stars in this comedy-drama series as Nadia, a young woman who is on a journey to be the guest of honor at a party in New York City. But she gets caught in a mysterious loop as she repeatedly attends the same event and dies at the end of the night each time...

www.rottentomatoes.com

 

[AJUMP23]

The Netflix series that got her the job.

Russian Doll | Rotten Tomatoes

Emmy-nominated actress Natasha Lyonne stars in this comedy-drama series as Nadia, a young woman who is on a journey to be the guest of honor at a party in New York City. But she gets caught in a mysterious loop as she repeatedly attends the same event and dies at the end of the night each time...

www.rottentomatoes.com

Never heard of it.....never going to watch it now knowing there is a correlation.

 

[DeafTourette]

Never heard of it.....never going to watch it now knowing there is a correlation.

My friends loved it. But if your hate for Acolyte is driving your decision, then oh well.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

My friends loved it. But if your hate for Acolyte is driving your decision, then oh well.

It might be more because of being the assistent of a pedo ring boss.

 

[ManaByte]

It might be more because of being the assistent of a pedo ring boss.

I think you’re confusing Nerdrotic with Weinstein. Weinstein was the Hollywood “casting couch” rapist who inspired MeToo, Nerdrotic is the guy who went to prison for selling meth to kids.

 

[IntentionalPun]

It might be more because of being the assistent of a pedo ring boss.

She worked for him for a year, employed by Miramax.

I seriously doubt she had anything to do with his sexual assault shit.

Also since when was he even accused of being a pedo?

 

[DeafTourette]

It might be more because of being the assistent of a pedo ring boss.

Oh. Guilt by association. I guess...

 

[BadBurger]

It’s a rogue Jedi. Which people here dismissed and randomly inserted Sith into the scene. This episode confirmed that was what they were worried about. Not Sith. The “something worse” is an idea of one of their own (a former Padawan) gone rogue and killing people.

Well from perhaps one of the character's perspectives, and that's being generous. However Qimir has literally been spouting the precise Sith creed in almost all of his scenes. Like to the letter. So he's a Sith, period, regardless of how any character may view things.

 

[ManaByte]

Well from perhaps one of the character's perspectives, and that's being generous. However Qimir has literally been spouting the precise Sith creed in almost all of his scenes. Like to the letter. So he's a Sith, period, regardless of how any character may view things.

They also said using Kylo Ren’s theme was intentional

 

[BadBurger]

Funny how it’s always Weinstein’s assistant and always ignoring Russian Doll.

In some cases these people are like "wait for the evidence". But when it comes to someone working for Disney, it's "lets just assume they're guilty of something because they worked for a bad dude for a year-ish".

Just ignore them.

 

[jason10mm]

She worked for him for a year, employed by Miramax.

I seriously doubt she had anything to do with his sexual assault shit.

Also since when was he even accused of being a pedo?

I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that she was a PERSONAL assistant to Weinstein and had NO IDEA what he was up to. All those "closed doors meetings" with starlets where they left in disarray didn't tip her off? What exactly were they doing in there that got them roles in Miramax films? How dumb is she supposed to be about this?

She was 100% aware of it. Likely complicit in covering it up, if even RECRUITING for it or at least getting some side action off it. Durrrrty as hell.

I saw Russia Doll and ain't NOTHING in there that should earn you a seat at the Star Wars table, much less be a showrunner for 180 MILLION dollars worth of show. That should be the capstone of a long and illustrious career, not the "proving ground" for new talent! I think it is important to safeguard young actresses and make sure they ALL know her history before they walk into a room alone with her.

 

[ManaByte]

I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that she was a PERSONAL assistant to Weinstein and had NO IDEA what he was up to.

Assistance (play) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Alex11]

And we're back to the snooze fest, because why not, at least the vibe on the unknown planet was nice, the music as well.

We're 2 episodes left and still don't know what Smiley Sith wants from life, other than the obvious, cliche stuff.
Again with the idiocy of the Jedi's and their Order, I guess this is the trend then, to have them be like anybody else, flaws, corruption, bla bla bla.
But Jesus, is there one Jedi left in that house that isn't dumb as a rock or does some sketchy stuff?

Nothing against the main actress, but Jesus, she either can't act or the director and all the production staff have it in for her.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that she was a PERSONAL assistant to Weinstein and had NO IDEA what he was up to. All those "closed doors meetings" with starlets where they left in disarray didn't tip her off? What exactly were they doing in there that got them roles in Miramax films? How dumb is she supposed to be about this?

She was 100% aware of it. Likely complicit in covering it up, if even RECRUITING for it or at least getting some side action off it. Durrrrty as hell.

I saw Russia Doll and ain't NOTHING in there that should earn you a seat at the Star Wars table, much less be a showrunner for 180 MILLION dollars worth of show. That should be the capstone of a long and illustrious career, not the "proving ground" for new talent! I think it is important to safeguard young actresses and make sure they ALL know her history before they walk into a room alone with her.

This shit happened over decades. And a big part of what Weinstein did was arrange meetings in his residence or hotel rooms while he was traveling.

And you’ve imagined some scenario where she’s like a secretary waiting at a desk seeing starlets leave upset after a closed door meeting… so what? What exactly is a new PA gonna do?

Never mind that’s probably not something she witnessed.

 

[KyoZz]

Welp, another boring episode. I was hoping to see the Jedi at their prime, Dark Plagueis, just... SOMETHING! Not this snoozefest.

It’s a rogue Jedi

Maybe if you keep repeating this to yourself it will become true.

 

[Mattdaddy]

I'm an official Disney Star Wars hater (exception: Andor), but I can't deny that lightsaber fight was pretty sick. Probably one of the better ones we've had in a while.

Whoever did the fight choreography for this was solid.

 

[AJUMP23]

oh ya. This is amazing.

 

[BearNecessity]

The sith reveal wasnt the most shocking thing but was still a pretty badass scene.

Compare that to the saurons non-event reveal in RoP... *sigh

 

[AJUMP23]

This week it is the same dumb story.

 

[BlackTron]

Confirmed that Sith aren’t even in the Jedi’s mind. They just think a Jedi has gone rogue. Those people crying about Ki-Ad-Mundi and “breaking canon” look like even bigger fucking idiots.

Qimir is probably Vernestra’s former Padawan.

Former Jedi who go rogue and use the Dark Side don't count as Sith now? Thanks for letting me know so I can put a massive white out over ep3. Since we already did ep1