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[me so Grant]

Yea, I really can't see how you'd be confused by that. that's 100% pure film language there. No "Here's Harvey Dent, guys! he's right here in this warehouse!" until it's absolutely necessary.

Could've been handled better. When Gordon says he didn't make it home, it's a revelation to the audience. It needn't be. There's a better way to communicate this idea than, say, Gordon getting a phone call. Makes for some pretty strange pacing to have the scene before being Dent's rescue/release then Dent's kidnapped again/didn't make it home. Felt like a scene was missing. Would have preferred to have seen Dent not make it home, even just a quick clip to create suspense.

Whatever. I'll concede this point anyway; like I said when I brought it up, its a minor quibble.

Bigger quibbles:

-Silly, silly court room scenes. Cringe worthy.

-Gordon's fake out death.

-Unnecessary Hong Kong

-Underdeveloped ramifications from Rachel's death

-OH! And the guy that finds out Bruce Wayne = Batman? That subplot didn't have a very satisfying conclusion. It wrapped up awfully conveniently. Kinda meh.

-A lot of the dialogue, especially in the beginning. "WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN? WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?" ugh.

-Though this Batsuit was better, it still looks like crap. What can you do.

-Eric Roberts. Honestly, I like Batman vs Mafia, but man o' man, the mob in both of these movies seems kinda weak. Roberts' performance was basically "EY SPAGHETTI", but didn't have much to work with. This is also a pretty minor complaint, spending more time with Maroni would be worse.

Things I liked aside from the big obvious stuff:

-Joker's tic of licking his lips

-The fake Batmen at the beginning

-Dent's back story of being at Internal Affairs was a great idea

-Can you believe this is the first Joker interpretation anything like that? How obvious is it to have Joker just be a crazy dude who applies make up, yet, I can't think of any previous interpretation that did that. Way scarier visually.

-Hell, literally just about everything post-Joker's arrest


Things I want to talk about:

-I hope they don't make a third (yes, I know they will, but right now I'd prefer if they didn't). I like how this one ends. I like how stand alone TDK is.

-If they do make a third, the title "Hunt the Dark Knight" would be perfect (also the name of the third chapter in TDKR if memory serves)

-Maybe having the Jokerz as a villain could work for part of Batman 3. Jokerz are from Batman Beyond - basically gangs that take inspiration from the Joker. Would show how much of an impact a charismatic figure like the Joker would have, just as we saw Batman did.

 

[BigJonsson]

If they hunt Batman, have Superman do it :lol

 

[UltimaPooh]

"and I can't kill you because, well you're just too much fun."

This movies was all kinds of win.

 

[MechaX]

What was your guys' reactions to the batpod doing the 180 at the wall? I was in awe and shock and yelled out OH MY GOD :lol

The truck flip got some pretty big "Oohs."

The Batpod 180 got some applause.

 

[MiamiWesker]

As far as the action goes, it certainly dwarfs BB...but man, don't shit on Begins guys. It's such a masterpiece in its own right.

Loved tonight's show. Great, great stuff. I really thought shit was done after Dent was in the hospital --- nope, one more gigantic final act. Fucking amazing.

I love Begin's, it was my favorite comic book movie ever, but this movie blows it out of the water. This is on another level entirely.

 

[Ephemeris]

Damn the line was long outside the theater on 34th Street. But what can I say, there were about eight or NINE 12:01 shows at that place!

i think everyone shit their pants at the pencil trick

Yup :lol

What was your guys' reactions to the batpod doing the 180 at the wall? I was in awe and shock and yelled out OH MY GOD :lol

The crowd - including myself - loved it.

Awesome movie. Joker was equally hilarious as he was dangerous. I didn't know where the 2 and half hours went :lol

 

[Broadbandito]

I love Begin's, it was my favorite comic book movie ever, but this movie blows it out of the water. This is on another level entirely.

for sure. The first thought about the two films after seeing this is how completely different both films felt. And to me i think that is a good thing.

 

[Windu]

Can someone answer me this question:

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GO TO SLEEP NOW?!

I am so pumped from this film, its 4:15am but I could go watch this movie again right now.

heh i have no idea, i want to go see again right now too.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Awesome Awesome movie

Loved it from start to end. Finally, FINALLY a mainstream movie portrays the characters as they really are in the comics. Great great interpretations of Bruce, Gordon, Harvey, and the Joker. Absolutely nailed it. THIS is why Batman is my favorite character, THIS is why nobody can top the Joker. He is the greatest villain of all time

Also as the big batman fan it as a lot of fun picking out all the batman arcs that influenced the movie.

Ones i picked out:
- The Last Laugh
- Gotham Central's Soft Targets arc (they really leveraged off my favorite Joker story)
- Batman No Mans Land
- Batman year one & Long Halloween
- Dark Knight Returns (the batmen groupies)


After the movie i was having a debate with a friend of mine about the decision Batman had between Rachel and Harvey. His theory was batman was really going after Rachel but Joker switched the addresses when he told Batman. My interpretation was that Batman chose to go for Harvey because he Bruce can be cold like that and for the "mission" he was more important. And he'd trust Gordon to save Rachel.

What did you guys think?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

holy shit only onGAF can you find someone willing to nitpick at this movie :lol Holy Shit

 

[Broadbandito]

heh i have no idea, i want to go see again right now too.

and a third :lol

 

[MiamiWesker]

for sure. The first thought about the two films after seeing this is how completely different both films felt. And to me i think that is a good thing.

Thinking about a next one, how do you top this? Its practically impossible, especially if the Joker is not in it.

 

[Magnus]

Did the Sonar shit irk anyone else a little? haha

I need an animated gif of the Joker sliding down the pile of cash. Fucking great!

 

[Broadbandito]

After the movie i was having a debate with a friend of mine about the decision Batman had between Rachel and Harvey. His theory was batman was really going after Rachel but Joker switched the addresses when he told Batman. My interpretation was that Batman chose to go for Harvey because he Bruce can be cold like that and for the "mission" he was more important. And he'd trust Gordon to save Rachel.

What did you guys think?

its just another game that the joker pulled. It was meant to show what bruce would really do and when he got on the batpod he said he was going for rachel and the others were going for dent. I dont think they switched their minds in the 5 mins of time they had

 

[Ephemeris]

After the movie i was having a debate with a friend of mine about the decision Batman had between Rachel and Harvey. His theory was batman was really going after Rachel but Joker switched the addresses when he told Batman. My interpretation was that Batman chose to go for Harvey because he Bruce can be cold like that and for the "mission" he was more important. And he'd trust Gordon to save Rachel.

What did you guys think?

Joker switched the addresses I believe.

 

[MiamiWesker]

After the movie i was having a debate with a friend of mine about the decision Batman had between Rachel and Harvey. His theory was batman was really going after Rachel but Joker switched the addresses when he told Batman. My interpretation was that Batman chose to go for Harvey because he Bruce can be cold like that and for the "mission" he was more important. And he'd trust Gordon to save Rachel.

What did you guys think?

I thought he choose Dent but that was cause i never got the Joker switch until now. Now that I see the Joker could have switched it I think I lean more toward the he went to save Rachel side.

 

[Resident Guru]

What was your guys' reactions to the batpod doing the 180 at the wall? I was in awe and shock and yelled out OH MY GOD :lol

Yeah, I pretty much did the same thing. This whole movie just floored me. I usually end up disappointed when movies get so much hype. Not this time.

 

[layzie1989]

im seeing the movie at 6 in the morning in imax. I'm leaving at 430 for The Bridge Cinema Deluxe in Culver City.

 

[Windu]

oh and holy shit did two face look freaky. I was kinda shocked when they first showed his face.

 

[Broadbandito]

I need an animated gif of the Joker sliding down the pile of cash. Fucking great!

this

 

[MiamiWesker]

This is a really good review at AICN

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/37515

 

[woodchuck]

After the movie i was having a debate with a friend of mine about the decision Batman had between Rachel and Harvey. His theory was batman was really going after Rachel but Joker switched the addresses when he told Batman. My interpretation was that Batman chose to go for Harvey because he Bruce can be cold like that and for the "mission" he was more important. And he'd trust Gordon to save Rachel.

What did you guys think?

Batman wanted to save Rachel. the joker switched the addresses

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Thinking about a next one, how do you top this? Its practically impossible, especially if the Joker is not in it.

yea i don't know where you go from here. The Mr. Freeze, Mad Hatter, Poison Ivy are probably the best villians around that could have interesting interpretations. But i don't know if there's enough to carry a film with them. Plus i wonder what the theme of the next one would go.

 

[Hitokage]

Did the Sonar shit irk anyone else a little? haha

Yeah, mono speaker with mono mic doing 3D spacial mapping? Please.

Oh, and a four-prop breaking the no fly zone over downtown Hong Kong also bugged the hell out of me.

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Batman wanted to save Rachel. the joker switched the addresses

i'll have to rewatched it. Was there an indication which adress he was going to? One was ave X and the other 25 something. But in the chaos i didn't pick up which was attributed to Harvey

 

[ZeoVGM]

So my friend is telling me he's pretty sure Two Face isn't dead.

But he's dead, isn't he? I thought that was fairly clear.

 

[Windu]

i'll have to rewatched it. Was there an indication which adress he was going to? One was ave X and the other 25 something. But in the chaos i didn't pick up which was attributed to Harvey

i think gordon asked which one he would go after and he said rachel

 

[MiamiWesker]

yea i don't know where you go from here. The Mr. Freeze, Mad Hatter, Poison Ivy are probably the best villians around that could have interesting interpretations. But i don't know if there's enough to carry a film with them. Plus i wonder what the theme of the next one would go.

I guess redemption would be the next movie, something nice has to happen after this, this was one of the most dread heavy movies I have ever seen.

Those villains, they would just be there to serve as someone for Batman to beat up. Joker is the anti-Batman, no one else can ever match that, nothing they can do can match the feeling of Batman going up against the Joker.

 

[Broadbandito]

i'll have to rewatched it. Was there an indication which adress he was going to? One was ave X and the other 25 something. But in the chaos i didn't pick up which was attributed to Harvey

right after the addresses were mentioned gordon asked batman which one he was going to and says rachel

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I really could not believe how this film moved past the hype. Literally, if you think this film is 5/10 or something, there is something wrong with you. The Dark knight works on every level, from Pop Culture to Cerebral Subtext. Everything works, there is no fat, it's 100% gold. Ledger was fantastic. Eckhart was fantastic. Oldman was fantastic. Gyllenhall was fantastic. Freeman was fantastic. Caine was fantastic. Bale was fantastic. Film was fantastic.

 

[FiRez]

THIS WAS A TRIUMPH

 

[Magnus]

I could have sworn I saw his CG eye roll toward the camera as they showed his corpse on the ground. :lol

 

[ZeoVGM]

i'll have to rewatched it. Was there an indication which adress he was going to? One was ave X and the other 25 something. But in the chaos i didn't pick up which was attributed to Harvey

Yeah I brought this up already.

He said to Gordon that he was going to save Rachel.

But Gordon ended up where Rachel was.

Very obvious that the Joker tricked them.

 

[me so Grant]

i'll have to rewatched it. Was there an indication which adress he was going to? One was ave X and the other 25 something. But in the chaos i didn't pick up which was attributed to Harvey

Joker switched. The 25whatever was supposed to be Dent, which Gordon barks to his men

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

Yeah I brought this up already.

He said to Gordon that he was going to save Rachel.

But Gordon ended up where Rachel was.

Very obvious that the Joker tricked them.

Ah ok. The center speaker in my theater was pretty low, so i missed that. Cool thanks for the clarification

 

[Broadbandito]

So my friend is telling me he's pretty sure Two Face isn't dead.

But he's dead, isn't he? I thought that was fairly clear.

Well the whole hero speech at the end with dent's photo behind gordon, pretty sure hes dead

 

[TheDarkKnight774]

I guess redemption would be the next movie, something nice has to happen after this, this was one of the most dread heavy movies I have ever seen.

Those villains, they would just be there to serve as someone for Batman to beat up. Joker is the anti-Batman, no one else can ever match that, nothing they can do can match the feeling of Batman going up against the Joker.

ooh good theme. If its redemption than Mr. Freeze would be a good villian. He's probably the most tragic of them. Although you would start to creep into more of a fantastical villian.

I'm thinking Mad Hatter can't be a follow up (even though he would be cool) because he'd be too similar to Joker as far as the "crazy" goes.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Yeah I brought this up already.

He said to Gordon that he was going to save Rachel.

But Gordon ended up where Rachel was.

Very obvious that the Joker tricked them.

Hm, it didn't seem so obvious where the two (gordon & batman) were in relation to each other when the explosions hit. And Batman wasn't surprised at all when he found Dent.

 

[me so Grant]

The Dark knight works on every level, from Pop Culture to Cerebral Subtext.

Its great. Loved TDK.

But its not exactly the brainiest thing around. For comics movies, maybe yes.

Although I think I'll probably have to wait a few days before GAF is ready to actually talk about the movie's highs and lows.

 

[Ephemeris]

Well the whole hero speech at the end with dent's photo behind gordon, pretty sure hes dead

A pity if he is.

 

[Broadbandito]

Hm, it didn't seem so obvious where the two (gordon & batman) were in relation to each other when the explosions hit. And Batman wasn't surprised at all when he found Dent.

it really wasnt shown but u gotta believe he was pissed, but he did the only thing he could, act on what was at hand

 

[ZeoVGM]

Hm, it didn't seem so obvious where the two (gordon & batman) were in relation to each other when the explosions hit. And Batman wasn't surprised at all when he found Dent.

What?

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Nolan will be the next Cameron.

 

[Rahxephon91]

Yeah Joker switched the addresses on purpose. Thats a fact because if Dent died his plan would have failed.

 

[MiamiWesker]

Well the whole hero speech at the end with dent's photo behind gordon, pretty sure hes dead

I guess looking back that is what I should have assumed but in my mind I thought Dent is alive but they have to hide him somewhere cause he cant be in public the way he was. So that speech was about the man he once was and how he can't serve anymore, they never once said he was dead (plus no casket). Looking back I guess its wrong but thats what I got out of the scene. Its mainly cause no one says he is dead, plus Batman and Gordon were not talking about a dead guy when they were discussing his future, if he was dead I thought they would say something, not stand around his corpse discussing his future.

 

[Ephemeris]

Yeah Joker switched the addresses on purpose. Thats a fact because if Dent died his plan would have failed.

Yup. And he was really pushing the Rachel button (with Bats playing into his hands) during the interrogation scene.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Maybe Anarchy Could be the next villian?

Obviously some of his attributes would have to be changed (12 lol) but he could be rather interesting.

Also if there is going to be a thrid film, I would imagine that it would also be alot more about Bruce Wayne and what he is going through now that Gotham hates Batman.

 

[Demigod Mac]

Anyone know the EXACT pencil quote as used in the film?

"I'm going to make this pencil disappear!"
"Watch as I make this pencil disappear!"
"I will make this pencil disappear!"

 

[Broadbandito]

I guess looking back that is what I should have assumed but in my mind I thought Dent is alive but they have to hide him somewhere cause he cant be in public the way he was. So that speech was about the man he once was and how he can't serve anymore, they never once said he was dead (plus no casket). Looking back I guess its wrong but thats what I got out of the scene. Its mainly cause no one says he is dead, plus Batman and Gordon were not talking about a dead guy when they were discussing his future, if he was dead I thought they would say something, not stand around his corpse discussing his future.

you do have a point

 

[Sallokin]

Just got back and all I can say is WOW. Loved it. Couldn't be happier with the way it turned out. This easily trumps Begins in my opinion but both movies are amazing.

Also, the Watchmen trailer was magnificent on the big screen.