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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim |OT2| Team Edward's Revenge

Derrick01

Banned
You can literally play any way you want. I'd go with stealth though because stealth archery and backstabs can be ridiculous if you get certain perks and enchantments.

If you want dragon armor all you have to do is level up smithing which is easy. You can screw the system if you hoard iron bars and make iron daggers, they made it so the experience you get making those stays the same even if your smithing skill is like 80 or 90. Many people think Daedric armor is better though.
 

Arjen

Member
So this will be my first Elder Scrolls game and I will be getting it for my 360 come Wednesday. It will also be my first serious WRPG (well besides ME1 and 2). I've seen my friend play it for a couple of hours and the world looks amazing even though the combat seems really jarring. Anyway, what should I expect? And are there any tips for beginners that any experienced players have for me? Should I focus on magic or combat? What are the best skill trees to follow (I want that dragon armor)? How do I get the best weapons? And is there a reliable and accurate wiki for all things Skyrim that I can follow? Thanks!

I would recommend focussing on archery and sneak, it's really powerfull and fun, and not as clumsy as hand to hand combat.
 
I think I need to start doing some main quest. For the first time in 115 hours I actually felt myself becoming a little bored.

Fatigue really only set in while during the leveling up grind for perks (smithing, enchanting, etc). I've had to take a forced break from Skyrim recently. I'm here in the hospital (out of town) with my son who had some complications after a medical procedure. Hope to be home by the end of the week with him healthy before Christmas.
 
Has anyone actually tried to fix their quest glitches by waiting for 30 days in game? Does it work? I'm planning on doing this tonight after work but I want to hear if it has worked for anyone on here. The Companion quest, "Purity of Revenge" is currently f'd up for me because I accepted the Helm of Winterhold quest from Ulfric.
 

ShinAmano

Member
Well...1000/1000.

Only things left to do are other games now ;)

Seriously I want to:
-Get the rest of the Masks
-Get all of the Shouts
-Become a Thane in all regions

With that said I will happily wait to do these things once all of the DLC is out.

Is the main quest the only way to acquire shouts?
You can get them out in the world...random places that dragons live.
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
That's a bummer :( It's a shame that you have to be so careful with quests in Bethesda games. You can always reload an older save, but i guess you already did a lot of other stuff in the meantime.

Might just do another build over Winter break...
 

TTG

Member
Being stuck with quest items in the inventory sucks. Currently carrying something with a weight of 20, looked up when it will be needed and it's wayyyy down the line for me. That along with some random dagger I picked up and those purple floating mystery gems...

I always wonder why I'm at the limit of my carrying capacity no matter what I do and I swear if you count up all the quest items, soul gems and potions I lug around, it's probably around 200 points. I probably have 40-50 points of health potions alone and I haven't bought a single one from a store, lol. I'm just gonna bite the bullet and spend 2-3 points getting to the perk where heavy armor weighs nothing.
 
Being stuck with quest items in the inventory sucks. Currently carrying something with a weight of 20, looked up when it will be needed and it's wayyyy down the line for me. That along with some random dagger I picked up and those purple floating mystery gems...

I always wonder why I'm at the limit of my carrying capacity no matter what I do and I swear if you count up all the quest items, soul gems and potions I lug around, it's probably around 200 points. I probably have 40-50 points of health potions alone and not the minor ones and I haven't bought a single one from a store, lol. I'm just gonna bite the bullet and spend 2-3 points getting to the perk where heavy armor weighs nothing.

Quest items should be weightless, though, no matter what the UI says.

Hah, just found an unmarked ruin in the plains I had found in my first 3 hours of playing, with some weird puzzle that I had forgot about. There's a chest below the grate, but I can't figure how to get to it. It might be bugged because the solution is fairly obvious...

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I found that one back when I first started playing, too. Opened up fine for me,
there's broken-off tablets on the ground that reveal the right combo
.
 

Bisnic

Really Really Exciting Member!
I'm surprised there isn't even an achievement for finding every dungeons/cities/ruins/caves in the world. I'm 99% sure i found everything, yet no achievement.
 
I should've been clearer. On individual quests, I usually travel on foot to give 'em more meat. I also travel on foot to new areas (you have to, basically). I fast travel when I clear the required dungeon and have to return to the person to collect my reward. After I finish the dungeon, at that point I just want to get the quest done with and I'm really impatient to see the conclusion of the story and/or get on to something else.

I'm six hours into the game, and I have to say, my two biggest complaints are the following:

1. The atmosphere. Don't get me wrong. Traveling on the tops of the highest mountains, snow on the ground, snow blowing in the wind, the ambient forest sounds with star-crowded sky overhead, those moments are awesome.... It's the lower altitudes I have a problem with. Places like Riverwood and Whiterun. I never see the breath of people, or anybody shiver when they're outside. I feel like I go from the 70s-60s to the 30s-20s very quickly.

2. This is the harder complaint to deal with. The atmosphere I can brush aside, but the combat seems like it does its very best to stop me from playing. On my way to the dungeon to retrieve
the horn the Greybeards wanted me to completed as my first task, I encountered a dragon. And unlike the first dragon I encountered outside of Whiterun, this dragon was a lot harder to take down. Maybe a little too hard.
I previously said that I was going to be an archer because the melee combat in this combat is, at best, clumsy. While certainly less clumsy than the melee, being an archer sports its own clumsy aspects. Most of the combat in the game I end up walking backwards as an enemy charges, sometimes zapping me with a power, zapping me and beating me down, or just beating me down, while I'm hoping that I can get off enough arrows into 'em before they kill me. I don't have the maneuverability to go around the enemies (I can't jump that high and I walk very slow). I'm sure this'll get better as I level up, but during my fight with the dragon, the game was really trying my patience as I felt like it was forcing me to be more maneuverable than I could be at the moment. The combat is "What can I do to make it so my enemies aren't able to retaliate while I kill them?" when instead it should be "How best do I take out my enemies?" There isn't a nice push-pull scenario, merely push or pull.

Fortunately, I was able to lure the dragon
to an area with a couple people camping. The dragon concentrated on them, distracting it long enough for me to deal enough damage that I was able to finish him on my own when he finally returned his attention to me. Which was awesome.

I'm a level five. Is there anything I can do at this point to make the combat less clumsy?

It depends on your playstyle. You're playing as an archer. It's obvious that archery isn't as competent on enemies that are close by. Try and make the most of critical hits you can get while in Sneak mode: on higher levels you can take out a lot of enemies with one or two hits. You're only level five, your character's still a 'newb', basically: he'll get stronger, better and tougher as you level up more. If you want to be more maneuverable, invest in Stamina so you can sprint more, take the archery perks that allow you to move around with a bow faster, wear light armor and search for the Steed stone to the south of Solitude, which makes your armor weightless. If an enemy draws too close, backing away to shoot it is obviously going to feel clumsy: archery isn't really meant to be a close-quarters fighting style. Have a sword with you, maybe a sword and a dagger, so you can deal with enemies that come too close. Maybe taking one or two perks in the one- or two-handed tree will help with that, too.

Playing as a high-level character with specializations in one-handed and block is quite the revelation. The perks you can get with those trees are just amazing. You can charge into battle, bashing enemies out of the way, make enemies stagger by smacking them with your shield, paralyze them if you hit them just right, and chop of their heads with a single stroke of your blade. I love being a tank.

In contrast, I found that I didn't enjoy being a sneaky archer for my assassin character. Something about archery just didn't do it with you, pretty much as you're describing it now. Maybe my tips will help you, but I ultimately switched over to dual daggers and just went around slitting throats. Clearing an entire bandit lair without anyone ever knowing you're there is just badass.

As for the atmosphere, that's basically because places like Whiterun and Riverwood are close to the ground and closer to the more temperate Cyrodiil. Not all of Skyrim is a frozen wasteland. As you move further north, you've got cities like Windhelm that are just freezing every single day of the year.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
I stumbled on the outpost far to the north that (I think) starts the quest for Blackreach. I decided right then and there to start my new character tonight.

I'd cleared nearly all but the 8-10 broken Misc. tasks from my queue, and most of the quests I have lined up weren't that interesting.

Luna is retiring at level 46, a master archer and sneak thief, with mid-level enchanting, alchemy and smithing skills, but otherwise untalented. I was going to grind smithing and enchanting high enough for the Achievement for hitting level 50, but decided I wanted to experience more of the world and quests while working up through the skill ladders again; the only way I can die is if someone one-hits me (which I do to 90% of the enemies).

My plan is to plow through the main quest with relatively few interruptions (which will take about a week), and then juggle the Companions/College of Winterhold/Civil War from the Imperial side, while I chip away at dungeons and side quests I set aside the first time around. I'll slot in Blackreach just after the main quest.

My new character will be similar to the last, an expert sneak and archer, but with an emphasis on Alternation and Illusion to screw with people. Those skills will help me hit level 50 without having to grind. Oh, and Master difficulty from the get-go.

Luna got about 150 hours into the game, and I'm sitting here pretty excited to start my new character tonight.

This game.
It depends on your playstyle. You're playing as an archer. It's obvious that archery isn't as competent on enemies that are close by. Try and make the most of critical hits you can get while in Sneak mode: on higher levels you can take out a lot of enemies with one or two hits. You're only level five, your character's still a 'newb', basically: he'll get stronger, better and tougher as you level up more. If you want to be more maneuverable, invest in Stamina so you can sprint more, take the archery perks that allow you to move around with a bow faster, wear light armor and search for the Steed stone to the south of Solitude, which makes your armor weightless. If an enemy draws too close, backing away to shoot it is obviously going to feel clumsy: archery isn't really meant to be a close-quarters fighting style. Have a sword with you, maybe a sword and a dagger, so you can deal with enemies that come too close. Maybe taking one or two perks in the one- or two-handed tree will help with that, too.

To add to this. Archery and Sneak go together as naturally as any two skills in the game do. If you are playing an archer, and find yourself backing up while guys charge you, I suggest putting more emphasis into Sneak and taking long stealth shots. You can mix it up with a secondary weapon as Blue suggested, which worked well for my character until I unlocked the god-tier Archery perks (stagger, slow time, rapid movement with bow drawn). After that, I didn't do much hand to hand, other than to back stab (30x damage FTMFW), because no one could get to me - or find me when they did.

I found Archery to be richly rewarding, so much so that I'm rolling a second character that will use it.

I'll roll a third character for the expansion.
 

Bisnic

Really Really Exciting Member!
That would be cruel. Besides Bethesda likes their games to have relatively easy achievements.

Coming from WoW where you have achievements for discovery every parts of a zone and even an achievement for fully discovering every zones, i guess i was expecting too much yeah.
 

Jeff Chen

Banned
I stumbled on the outpost far to the north that (I think) starts the quest for Blackreach. I decided right then and there to start my new character tonight.

I'd cleared nearly all but the 8-10 broken Misc. tasks from my queue, and most of the quests I have lined up weren't that interesting.

Luna is retiring at level 46, a master archer and sneak thief, with mid-level enchanting, alchemy and smithing skills, but otherwise untalented. I was going to grind smithing and enchanting high enough for the Achievement for hitting level 50, but decided I wanted to experience more of the world and quests while working up through the skill ladders again; the only way I can die is if someone one-hits me (which I do to 90% of the enemies).

My plan is to plow through the main quest with relatively few interruptions (which will take about a week), and then juggle the Companions/College of Winterhold/Civil War from the Imperial side, while I chip away at dungeons and side quests I set aside the first time around. I'll slot in Blackreach just after the main quest.

My new character will be similar to the last, an expert sneak and archer, but with an emphasis on Alternation and Illusion to screw with people. Those skills will help me hit level 50 without having to grind. Oh, and Master difficulty from the get-go.

Luna got about 150 hours into the game, and I'm sitting here pretty excited to start my new character tonight.

This game.


To add to this. Archery and Sneak go together as naturally as any two skills in the game do. If you are playing an archer, and find yourself backing up while guys charge you, I suggest putting more emphasis into Sneak and taking long stealth shots. You can mix it up with a secondary weapon as Blue suggested, which worked well for my character until I unlocked the god-tier Archery perks (stagger, slow time, rapid movement with bow drawn). After that, I didn't do much hand to hand, other than to back stab (30x damage FTMFW), because no one could get to me - or find me when they did.

I found Archery to be richly rewarding, so much so that I'm rolling a second character that will use it.

I'll roll a third character for the expansion.

At least, finish the civil war story first. If you progress too far you will be unable to obtain one of the archivements. I had to load a very very old save in order to recover that archivement. More then 2 hours were wasted for that one.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
At least, finish the civil war story first. If you progress too far you will be unable to obtain one of the archivements. I had to load a very very old save in order to recover that archivement. More then 2 hours were wasted for that one.

I finished the Civil War from the Stormcloak side, taking Solitude and getting an Achievement. I didn't see a way to advance things further after that. I won't be deleting the last save from this character so I can always go back. Thanks for the heads up.
 
So after an almost two-week hiatus from Skyrim, I started a legit second character (besides the other shitload of them I've made and quit since the 11th...)

I made a Witch.

Completely focused on powering up magic and causing chaos. It's my eventual goal with this character to walk into each city and just lay waste. Fire, zombies, lighting bolts, skeletons, daedra, the works.

But going by this character's morality guidelines, I'm finding it tough accept any quests at all. It's just a case of roaming and finding new spell books, journeying through the odd cave, gathering mushrooms..

I'm enjoying it to be honest. Unlike any character I've played before.
 
It depends on your playstyle. You're playing as an archer. It's obvious that archery isn't as competent on enemies that are close by. Try and make the most of critical hits you can get while in Sneak mode: on higher levels you can take out a lot of enemies with one or two hits. You're only level five, your character's still a 'newb', basically: he'll get stronger, better and tougher as you level up more. If you want to be more maneuverable, invest in Stamina so you can sprint more, take the archery perks that allow you to move around with a bow faster, wear light armor and search for the Steed stone to the south of Solitude, which makes your armor weightless. If an enemy draws too close, backing away to shoot it is obviously going to feel clumsy: archery isn't really meant to be a close-quarters fighting style. Have a sword with you, maybe a sword and a dagger, so you can deal with enemies that come too close. Maybe taking one or two perks in the one- or two-handed tree will help with that, too.

Playing as a high-level character with specializations in one-handed and block is quite the revelation. The perks you can get with those trees are just amazing. You can charge into battle, bashing enemies out of the way, make enemies stagger by smacking them with your shield, paralyze them if you hit them just right, and chop of their heads with a single stroke of your blade. I love being a tank.

To add to this. Archery and Sneak go together as naturally as any two skills in the game do. If you are playing an archer, and find yourself backing up while guys charge you, I suggest putting more emphasis into Sneak and taking long stealth shots. You can mix it up with a secondary weapon as Blue suggested, which worked well for my character until I unlocked the god-tier Archery perks (stagger, slow time, rapid movement with bow drawn). After that, I didn't do much hand to hand, other than to back stab (30x damage FTMFW), because no one could get to me - or find me when they did.

I found Archery to be richly rewarding, so much so that I'm rolling a second character that will use it.

I'll roll a third character for the expansion.
Okay. Thanks guys. Just a couple of questions.

What is sneak? Is that crouching while firing your bow?

Invest in lighter armor and stamina. Gotcha. I've been mainly investing in health and magicka. I'm assuming steel armor doesn't count as light armor. Is that like fur and iron? But if I find this Steed stone I guess it doesn't matter what armor I wear.

The archery perks...that's in the constellation leveling thing right?

Do you guys think, for close-range combat, investing in destruction magic like fire would be a good substitute for melee weapons? Because I like using fire. Do you get more magic powers like fire later on?
 
Okay. Thanks guys. Just a couple of questions.

What is sneak? Is that crouching while firing your bow?
Sneak is the mode you enter when you press the right stick. When you sneak, your reticle changes to an 'eye' that's closed when you're undectected (so it looks like a flat line), and opens up more and more if you're in danger of being detected. Once it's fully open and has the word 'DETECTED' underneath, people/enemies can see you and know where you are. If you're succesfully sneaking, you can steal items, pickpocket people and even silently murder them, if you're skilled enough.

Invest in lighter armor and stamina. Gotcha. I've been mainly investing in health and magicka. I'm assuming steel armor doesn't count as light armor. Is that like fur and iron?
Steel is heavy armor. So is iron. You can see the armor rating in your inventory, when you examine your item. Your apparel will either be 'HEAVY', 'LIGHT' or no armor at all. Light armor weighs less than heavy, so you'll make less noise when you're sneaking and are harder to detect. You'll also be able to move faster, though if you activate the Steed stone later on your armor will become weightless, so you'll run just as fast with Daedric as you would with fur.

Light armors are studded, fur, hide, leather, scale, elven, glass and dragonscale.
Heavy armors are iron, steel, plate, dwarven, orcish, ebony, daedric and dragonbone plate.

The archery perks...that's in the constellation leveling thing right?
Yep. You can pick 'em when you level up. Perks in archery range from 'do more damage' to 'run faster with your bow drawn' and a lot of stuff in between.

Do you guys think, for close-range combat, investing in destruction magic like fire would be a good substitute for melee weapons? Because I like using fire. Do you get more magic powers like fire later on?
Destruction's a handy tool, but I wouldn't recommend making it your go-to defense unless you decide to invest in magicka. The basic flame spell is pretty weak, and you need a lot more magicka to make the higher-level options viable.

At this point, Dax, I would recommend giving the manual a read. It explains basic stuff like sneaking and whatever else you may have missed.
 
Wait, did Beth patch in a new quote so people stop making that arrow to the knee joke?

Just had a dude say he used to be one of the best soldiers in something, then he took a sword to the chest.

Never heard anyone say that before. lol
 

Esch

Banned
Okay. Thanks guys. Just a couple of questions.

What is sneak? Is that crouching while firing your bow?

Invest in lighter armor and stamina. Gotcha. I've been mainly investing in health and magicka. I'm assuming steel armor doesn't count as light armor. Is that like fur and iron? But if I find this Steed stone I guess it doesn't matter what armor I wear.

The archery perks...that's in the constellation leveling thing right?

Do you guys think, for close-range combat, investing in destruction magic like fire would be a good substitute for melee weapons? Because I like using fire. Do you get more magic powers like fire later on?

I'm assuming you play on 360. Sneak is crouching yes. You will be invisible if your crosshair is a line. As you become more visible/detected it opens to an eye.

Light armor is the left hand side of the smithing tree. Leather, hide, elven, glass, and dragonbone. Perks for that and archery are in that screen with the constellations, ya. I dont recommend using archery and destruction, since they are essentially both long range methods of attack with a few changes. I dont recommend destruction with an archer or stealth character, no real good overlap there. I DO recommend conjuration with an archer, because summons will allow you to handle big crowds easily.

If you must have a closeup damage dealer, go with 1h as you'll be able to do stealth backstabs for lots of damage with the the dark brotherhood armors.
 
At this point, Dax, I would recommend giving the manual a read. It explains basic stuff like sneaking and whatever else you may have missed.
Dude...I completely forgot about the manual! I'm so used to games explaining everything in-game that I just completely forgot about it.

I'll make the adjustments when I start the game up tonight. Thanks. I'll read the manual asap.
 

TTG

Member
To add to this. Archery and Sneak go together as naturally as any two skills in the game do. If you are playing an archer, and find yourself backing up while guys charge you, I suggest putting more emphasis into Sneak and taking long stealth shots. You can mix it up with a secondary weapon as Blue suggested, which worked well for my character until I unlocked the god-tier Archery perks (stagger, slow time, rapid movement with bow drawn). After that, I didn't do much hand to hand, other than to back stab (30x damage FTMFW), because no one could get to me - or find me when they did.

A sneaky archer sounds awesome. I'm at level 35 and tired of beating everyone over the head with blunt objects. I've been doing so exclusively from the start and now that I've finally hit 100 at one handed stuff, I should change it up. The only threat in the game at all is if someone is able to do a LOT of damage really quickly and that was only possible with high level mages. Now that I have the Spellbreaker shield, even that goes out the window.

Currently at the end of the thieves guild quests and sneaking around has been lots of fun, plus I have some good enchanted stuff too. I gotta ask though, how often do you still have to reload because of being spotted? It's pretty common for me(but then again, I think my sneak just barely hit 40 and I haven't put any perks into it).
 
At this point, I'm just about done with Sul. I'm going to finish the final Daedric quest I still need to do (Peryite's, I'd saved up a lot of Flawless Sapphires for that quest, only to realize at the end that I needed a Flawless Ruby instead. I just sold one an hour before I realized that. ><), get that '1000 bounty in every Hold'-achievement, and then take a break from the game, I think. I'm the the mood for some Halo anniversary.
 

ShinNL

Member
Ohh, I was worried I couldn't get more Ancient Nord armors since I want to change my set. Now I'm reading you can actually make those yourself :D

Time to join the companions!
 

Jeff Chen

Banned
I finished the Civil War from the Stormcloak side, taking Solitude and getting an Achievement. I didn't see a way to advance things further after that. I won't be deleting the last save from this character so I can always go back. Thanks for the heads up.

The bugged one I was talking about is
War Hero
. If you went too far with the main story, you won't be able to get this one. But loading an earlier save can always fix it - just you can't stand the crappy stats and equippments anymore ;-)
 

TTG

Member
What is the best side story quests to aid in a character based around heavy armor / two handed?

Look for an orc compound thing on your first trip to Riften for a great 2 handed weapon and a full set of heavy orc armor(that you may have to steal). Just make sure your level is in the teens and it's not an easy quest.


Boethiah's Calling for the former.

I don't think that quest even shows up until level 30.
 

Jeff Chen

Banned
What is the best side story quests to aid in a character based around heavy armor / two handed?

I dunno about quests but... here's how to grind it if you are interested:
Set the game to novice difficulty, wear your best heavy armor, find a wolf, stand against a wall, let the wolf bite you over night and you should get heavy armor 100.

Same method applies to light armor and blocking (tho you have to keep the blocking button stuck). Sneaking can be grinded too but you have to find the correct store.
 
Thanks for the tips guys a couple things I should have told you.
I am lvl 42 and I guess I am more looking for bad ass armor that I can't make and such. I just completed the thieves guild and the armor you get for that is fantastic but not suited to my character much.
 

Hawkian

The Cryptarch's Bane
Wait, did Beth patch in a new quote so people stop making that arrow to the knee joke?

Just had a dude say he used to be one of the best soldiers in something, then he took a sword to the chest.

Never heard anyone say that before. lol
My jaw dropped when I heard that yesterday too. Weird...
 

Dresden

Member
Thanks for the tips guys a couple things I should have told you.
I am lvl 42 and I guess I am more looking for bad ass armor that I can't make and such. I just completed the thieves guild and the armor you get for that is fantastic but not suited to my character much.

Boethiah's quest gives you a really badass chestpiece so you should spring for that, imo.
 
Should I even get Skyrim? I dont want some glitchy ass game that locks up and prevents me from doing a lot of quests.

I'm 30 hours in and I've only had one instance of the game locking up on me (framerate just died as there was a ton going on on screen). It's totally worth it.

I also haven't had any quest-breaking bugs either (knock on wood).
 
So I killed a female Draugr Scourge with a beard. I look down, and see her decrepit draugr rack. I look up, and I see here majestic, knotted beard. I assume this is an unfortunate bug? Are draugr randomized from a bunch of random parts? If so, I doubt beards are supposed to enter into the she-draugr equation. Anyone else experience this?
 

Dresden

Member
So I killed a female Draugr Scourge with a beard. I look down, and see her decrepit draugr rack. I look up, and I see here majestic, knotted beard. I assume this is an unfortunate bug? Are draugr randomized from a bunch of random parts? If so, I doubt beards are supposed to enter into the she-draugr equation. Anyone else experience this?

Nord women.
 
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