Purple Cheeto
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That was pretty fun. Seemed to have a better idea of what it wants to be than Gotham.
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That was a pretty enjoyable pilot; much better than Arrow's. Only problems I had were some corny as hell lines and those dollar store Fitzsimmons lab geeks. Also, that Arrow scene was trash. Ollie's dialogue was so damn corny. "I don't think that bolt of lighting stuck you, Barry. I think it chose you."
I'm curious how big the FX dropoff is going to be after the pilot. Most of it looked excellent, cept the shots where it's a closeup of Grant Gustin running slowly on a treadmill in front of a greenscreen.
Yeah, what's up with that? The previews and trailers logo looks great. The one in the actual show is so bland.
I'm curious how big the FX dropoff is going to be after the pilot. Most of it looked excellent, cept the shots where it's a closeup of Grant Gustin running slowly on a treadmill in front of a greenscreen.
Yeah, what's up with that? The previews and trailers logo looks great. The one in the actual show is so bland.
bearythebear
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Great ep.
I wonder what shooting strategy they have given that Arrow is also shot in Vancouver. Looks like this show will have more daylight action scenes. Good contrast.
I wonder what shooting strategy they have given that Arrow is also shot in Vancouver. Looks like this show will have more daylight action scenes. Good contrast.
That was some good entertainment! Was not going to watch it except Supernatural was on after and I thought what the heck, why not record it.
That ending twist was fantastic. For a pilot it hit all the right notes to me and I am always a sucker for a good mystery (except for Lost).
That ending twist was fantastic. For a pilot it hit all the right notes to me and I am always a sucker for a good mystery (except for Lost).
dead souls
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Damn, that was an outstanding pilot.
The Outsider
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That was a damn good pilot. I was in from the day this was announced, but that was a damn good start.
I was forced to watch it in SD though, which was painful. Can't wait to watch it again in HD glory once it's streaming online.
I was forced to watch it in SD though, which was painful. Can't wait to watch it again in HD glory once it's streaming online.
ilikesanta
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It was a good start.
The one problem with the ending is that in the future, newspapers still exist.
The one problem with the ending is that in the future, newspapers still exist.
CMojicaAce
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That was really, really good! The parts where they cut to Barry's face while he's running is terrible though lol.
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Loved the pilot and looking forward to this season and it's crossovers It's better than Gotham already and maybe up there with AoS and Arrow but gotta give it time to see. It appears that DC is running it with the TV show and Marvel's running it with the movies.
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Wiktor
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TV is pretty much the only way you can do such event. It's too big to fit into a movie. THey ill propably eventually get 3-4 dc shows set in one continuity and with number of side-superheroes appearing on them, making an event like this, spanning multiple shows, could be doable.
PHOENIXZERO
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Not a rumor or anything, just an idea as to why Barry was taken outside and away from his house.
Pretty sure it was exactly the same, maybe a little different or added music in spots but in terms of new/altered scenes I didn't see anything.
EDIT: Okay they altered some minor things.
Surprisingly inoffensive first episode. Not without a fair amount of cheese, but still light-years ahead of most comic book show pilots. A lot more Smallville-ian than ARROW, though without most of Smallville's worst traits. The exception was the whole 'Iris not knowing about Barry's powers' thing. Hopefully that doesn't drag things down too much with cheap drama.
Some of the supporting cast aren't quite there yet, but I could see them growing into their roles. Jesse L. Martin was better than I was expecting.
The trailer left me a little worried that the villains-of-the-week are treading too far into the cheesier side of things, but overall I was impressed enough by the pilot that I'm going to be optimistic.
Some of the supporting cast aren't quite there yet, but I could see them growing into their roles. Jesse L. Martin was better than I was expecting.
The trailer left me a little worried that the villains-of-the-week are treading too far into the cheesier side of things, but overall I was impressed enough by the pilot that I'm going to be optimistic.
Razgriz-Specter
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Absolutely shocked the
reference actually made it to tv.
Wayne Tech
thanks for this! i'll just skip this episode and jump straight for the next then
PHOENIXZERO
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Not unusual for a pilot though.
This show's gonna suck.
I'm seeing a lot of the same patterns that Arrow has. Iris is already being played as the fragile, delicate female that male characters (or atleast most certainly her father, but given Barry's agreement, I'm guessing he's not far behind) patronizingly feel she requires and is under their protection regardless of her will, knowledge, or consent. He got in the way of her career and even though she's a grown ass adult, she feels the need to hide her boyfriend from him. And the whole "don't tell iris" thing...like, Barry hasn't even met anyone yet, he doesn't have any enemies and the weather guy was either killed or captured. And he's the motherfucking flash now, he can run 700 mph, who the fuck can conceivably go after him? He doesn't even know about the other metahumans. Why is he even assuming that a villain will go after her, instead of him, or anyone else? Where would a villain even have that kind of information about his personal life to know Iris is the person he cares about most?
Because it's CW, and they know they are going to do with her as a character. They're going to make her damsel in distress, she's going to fail several times whenever she tries to take things into her own hands....this is par for course for what happens with Arrow. And gawd, the drama with her, I can see it coming already. Barry is going to get closer to the Star Labs girl, and that's when she'll realize *gasp* maybe she does like Barry as more than a brother for the first time. I'll wear a flash avatar for a month if I'm wrong. Good on them for making them black, I guess. It fills the diversity quota and I don't think I remember the last time the main couple was an interracial one. I appreciate the diversity, if nothing else.
Anyway, Barry is going to annoy me a lot, I can tell you that right now. Because he's smarter (or supposed to be) than the writers are capable of writing, which just means there's stupid shit to come. The best example is the opening crime scene, where they do the sherlock thing to try and show how smart he is. And I don't mean sherlock thing as in "They're just showing he's smart at deduction", I mean they straight up plagerized the scene from A Study in Pink, or atleast their own bastardized version of it.
Okay, the thing about smart people is that they don't just 'know' things. It may seem like that when you meet someone who is an expert in a particular craft that in which you are a novice, but when they work, the answers don't merely pop into their head, it's experience guides them to make insights they wouldn't know otherwise. That's why the scene the Flash writers are plagerizing is so impressive. Sherlock writers had intentionally had him go over each piece, and even give pop up information about the specific details he is noticing, but they don't immediately give the audience the answer. They wait a few minutes, Sherlock even encourages everyone to give it their best try. this is done intentionally because the audience at this point has all the knowledge of the case that Sherlock has and could easily come to the same conclusion sherlock does if we just think about it enough. That is raw, organic intelligence at work. That's how you write a smart character.
That is a stark difference between that and looking at a tire mark and pulling an answer out of thin air. To do that, he must have a LOT of experience with cars to draw on. Like, an insane, encyclopedic amount that not even my friends who are car enthusiasts could hope to touch, which is definitely not how the episode characterized him, given how it specifically stated he didn't have a car. In fairness, an argument could be made that perhaps he's familiarized himself enough with detective work that he can spot car patterns through the fact that he examined various cases where he used this. That's...not likely, but fine, maybe he's worked a lot of cases where the tracks are involved and he is familiar with the practice. That argument could be made....
That argument, however, is defeated by the fact that he can apparently also identify animal poop by smell. Just.....Oh my god. I can just imagine how much the writers must have been patting themselves on the back for finding such a clever way of characterizing Barry's intelligence, when all they did was imply, because this is the only plausible way for Barry to know this, that he must have spent hours, weeks... MONTHS even... literally sniffing shit after shit from various animals just in case there came such a time he needed to identify a clue by what kind of poop it left.
And then there's the technobabble. Anyway, this is more of a pet peeve, but...look, there are right ways and wrong ways to write technobabble. For reference on how to do it right, does anyone remember that scene in Avengers where the possessed doctor talks to Loki about the tesseract? Or when Tony and Bruce talk to each other about the dimensional portals? They're not just talking bullshit. That's actual science. And they had far more leeway in making shit up for convienence since they were dealing with alien technology, but they didn't, because they gave a shit about respecting the audiences intelligence. Flash's technobabble is annoying because they are so obviously talking about nothing whatsoever. "What does the particle accelerator do?" "Well, okay, do you see this dot? that's what we know. And do you see this circle? that's what we'll learn!" "...so we'll know more? No, shit. That's every experiment ever. What is this thing actually going to do though?" "Did you not see the dot?" In particular, I had to laugh at that bit at the end about dark matter being 'theoretical'. They could have atleast gave it a better name than Particle Accelerator. Particle accelerators actually exist. Particle accelerators are in the monitor you are using to read this post on. I'm not even a physicist, I literally took 3 seconds to google it to make sure it's bullshit. If they atleast claimed it's a unique thing, they could make up anything they wanted to about it.
And I try not to rag on the effects too much, but...yeah, they're really not very good. This show isn't off to a good start overall. I can see the imprints of the worst of Arrow, and plenty of new little tortures devised just for me because I'm the kind of guy that actually doesn't like to be treated like an idiot. Maybe a decent villain in this can salvage it, but I don't see it happening.
I'm seeing a lot of the same patterns that Arrow has. Iris is already being played as the fragile, delicate female that male characters (or atleast most certainly her father, but given Barry's agreement, I'm guessing he's not far behind) patronizingly feel she requires and is under their protection regardless of her will, knowledge, or consent. He got in the way of her career and even though she's a grown ass adult, she feels the need to hide her boyfriend from him. And the whole "don't tell iris" thing...like, Barry hasn't even met anyone yet, he doesn't have any enemies and the weather guy was either killed or captured. And he's the motherfucking flash now, he can run 700 mph, who the fuck can conceivably go after him? He doesn't even know about the other metahumans. Why is he even assuming that a villain will go after her, instead of him, or anyone else? Where would a villain even have that kind of information about his personal life to know Iris is the person he cares about most?
Because it's CW, and they know they are going to do with her as a character. They're going to make her damsel in distress, she's going to fail several times whenever she tries to take things into her own hands....this is par for course for what happens with Arrow. And gawd, the drama with her, I can see it coming already. Barry is going to get closer to the Star Labs girl, and that's when she'll realize *gasp* maybe she does like Barry as more than a brother for the first time. I'll wear a flash avatar for a month if I'm wrong. Good on them for making them black, I guess. It fills the diversity quota and I don't think I remember the last time the main couple was an interracial one. I appreciate the diversity, if nothing else.
Anyway, Barry is going to annoy me a lot, I can tell you that right now. Because he's smarter (or supposed to be) than the writers are capable of writing, which just means there's stupid shit to come. The best example is the opening crime scene, where they do the sherlock thing to try and show how smart he is. And I don't mean sherlock thing as in "They're just showing he's smart at deduction", I mean they straight up plagerized the scene from A Study in Pink, or atleast their own bastardized version of it.
Okay, the thing about smart people is that they don't just 'know' things. It may seem like that when you meet someone who is an expert in a particular craft that in which you are a novice, but when they work, the answers don't merely pop into their head, it's experience guides them to make insights they wouldn't know otherwise. That's why the scene the Flash writers are plagerizing is so impressive. Sherlock writers had intentionally had him go over each piece, and even give pop up information about the specific details he is noticing, but they don't immediately give the audience the answer. They wait a few minutes, Sherlock even encourages everyone to give it their best try. this is done intentionally because the audience at this point has all the knowledge of the case that Sherlock has and could easily come to the same conclusion sherlock does if we just think about it enough. That is raw, organic intelligence at work. That's how you write a smart character.
That is a stark difference between that and looking at a tire mark and pulling an answer out of thin air. To do that, he must have a LOT of experience with cars to draw on. Like, an insane, encyclopedic amount that not even my friends who are car enthusiasts could hope to touch, which is definitely not how the episode characterized him, given how it specifically stated he didn't have a car. In fairness, an argument could be made that perhaps he's familiarized himself enough with detective work that he can spot car patterns through the fact that he examined various cases where he used this. That's...not likely, but fine, maybe he's worked a lot of cases where the tracks are involved and he is familiar with the practice. That argument could be made....
That argument, however, is defeated by the fact that he can apparently also identify animal poop by smell. Just.....Oh my god. I can just imagine how much the writers must have been patting themselves on the back for finding such a clever way of characterizing Barry's intelligence, when all they did was imply, because this is the only plausible way for Barry to know this, that he must have spent hours, weeks... MONTHS even... literally sniffing shit after shit from various animals just in case there came such a time he needed to identify a clue by what kind of poop it left.
And then there's the technobabble. Anyway, this is more of a pet peeve, but...look, there are right ways and wrong ways to write technobabble. For reference on how to do it right, does anyone remember that scene in Avengers where the possessed doctor talks to Loki about the tesseract? Or when Tony and Bruce talk to each other about the dimensional portals? They're not just talking bullshit. That's actual science. And they had far more leeway in making shit up for convienence since they were dealing with alien technology, but they didn't, because they gave a shit about respecting the audiences intelligence. Flash's technobabble is annoying because they are so obviously talking about nothing whatsoever. "What does the particle accelerator do?" "Well, okay, do you see this dot? that's what we know. And do you see this circle? that's what we'll learn!" "...so we'll know more? No, shit. That's every experiment ever. What is this thing actually going to do though?" "Did you not see the dot?" In particular, I had to laugh at that bit at the end about dark matter being 'theoretical'. They could have atleast gave it a better name than Particle Accelerator. Particle accelerators actually exist. Particle accelerators are in the monitor you are using to read this post on. I'm not even a physicist, I literally took 3 seconds to google it to make sure it's bullshit. If they atleast claimed it's a unique thing, they could make up anything they wanted to about it.
And I try not to rag on the effects too much, but...yeah, they're really not very good. This show isn't off to a good start overall. I can see the imprints of the worst of Arrow, and plenty of new little tortures devised just for me because I'm the kind of guy that actually doesn't like to be treated like an idiot. Maybe a decent villain in this can salvage it, but I don't see it happening.
Wreck-It Ralph
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Gonna guess
Riot for the villain. Don't know many DC villains who can multiply beyond him.
Wiktor
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I wouldn't worry. This is CW show. Those things move fast as hell. Her father already knows and I would be shocked if Iris wouldn't also by the time S1 ends. Especially after the experiences those writers had on Arrow.
Seasons are 23 episodes, aren't they? I'd very much call that dragging things out.
Even in season 2 of Arrow, it took them a while to out everyone.
Wiktor
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Nah. 23 episodes isn't that much dragging out. I mean, he already has a big support crew going on. It makes sense to leave someone who's in the dark (and who's not going to become a villain), just to give the show the perspective of an outsider.
Iris does feel like a bit of a drag though and I hope they will find her something to do. Or, if they can't, limit her presence heavily. Otherwise you can bet by the time half of season is done people will be shipping Barry with that lab chick and treating Iris as obstacle to that.
That said, I wonder if they didn't make a mistake with choosing which family member to bring in on the truth first. I think it would work better if she would know, while her father would be left in the dark. Since this would make her be more natural part of the whole superhero craziness, while the father would still remain that because of his police role.
Iris does seem like the one weak link in the show so far, but nothing is perfect I guess and with this much supervillainery going on, I guess she could appear rarely.
Hahaha, that has no chance of happening. She's his best friend. She's the equivalent to Laurel in Arrow. She's going to get the most screen time out of anybody other than Grant.
Discotheque
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i left the theaters after gone girl lookin like
and somehow my arms stayed in the air after i watched this on tv.
loved the tone of this. similar to sam raimi's spiderman in tone. barry reminded me a bit of maguire parker, and the music (when he's outside of the police station after finding out he has powers) was ripped straight from danny elfman's drumkit.
the cgi didn't look too bad for budget tv, the tornadoes especially were very passable. love the light-hearted vibe of this, and green arrow's bootleg batman "inspire them" speech was glorious. cheesy as hell but enjoyable, much better than the scene that was teased months ago.
so much better than arrow's pilot.
and somehow my arms stayed in the air after i watched this on tv.
loved the tone of this. similar to sam raimi's spiderman in tone. barry reminded me a bit of maguire parker, and the music (when he's outside of the police station after finding out he has powers) was ripped straight from danny elfman's drumkit.
the cgi didn't look too bad for budget tv, the tornadoes especially were very passable. love the light-hearted vibe of this, and green arrow's bootleg batman "inspire them" speech was glorious. cheesy as hell but enjoyable, much better than the scene that was teased months ago.
so much better than arrow's pilot.
BigJonsson
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Oops, completely forgot this started tonight and didn't set PVR
Wiktor
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But Laurel got limited in screen time like crazy as time passed by. If they will concentrate on superheroics (and it looks like they will), you can bet she won't get as much screen time.
And Diggle has more screentime than Laurel in Arrow...come on
Are you trolling now?
I mean we get it 'Arrow and Flash aren't good and are sexist and I like The Avengers.' But dude, cut out the absolutes please. You don't speak for all of us, you aren't possessive of facts, and the whole 'I know better than everyone' thing is becoming incredibly patronising.
Discotheque
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breh likes gotham too apparently. between that and avengers...... scust.
though i think arrow (and probably flash) would benefit more from like a 15 episode length. the CW-mandated relationship filler in arrow got tiresome.
though i think arrow (and probably flash) would benefit more from like a 15 episode length. the CW-mandated relationship filler in arrow got tiresome.
unholyrevenger72
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The close ups of him running don't look very good, the medium length shots look the best.
call_kotaku
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Barry's on some whole other friendzone tier, holy shit
OdysseusVA
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Why did they change the logo? It was great 
Wiktor
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Even the fastest man alive can't escape the friendzone ;D
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Discotheque
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i don't want him to be that guy that passive-aggressively insults iris' choice of partners though.
he's too good for that and yet i saw a hint of it in this episode already when he's talking to iris about her dad's partner
he's too good for that and yet i saw a hint of it in this episode already when he's talking to iris about her dad's partner
i don't want him to be that guy that passive-aggressively insults iris' choice of partners though.
he's too good for that and yet i saw a hint of it in this episode already when he's talking to iris about her dad's partner
We'll get Iris doing it when Felicity shows up.
I'm afraid any love scenes will end in a flash. Poor Barry.
The guy can vibrate through molecules.
I think he'll be okay.
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