Well wouldn't that be a twist. Defeating RF changes the timeline such that Barry progresses at a more normal pace (potentially with help from real Wells) ... and we spend the rest of the series basically getting him back to where he is now.
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broncobuster
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Makes me curious if the OG Psycho Thawne will come back. In theory there's an Eobard Thawne in the current timeline's 25th century waiting to travel back in time to meet The Flash. Same time, alternate timeline Thawne's meddling likely prevents Eobard from ever existing. Time travel is messy.
I think i would hate this lol
I'm not saying I would either
Given the speed of this show, I doubt she'll be in the dark much longer. Can't see them bothering to pull some Smallville shit here, especially when it's essentially only one main character that doesn't know.
Freewheelin'
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Just a reminder.
never fails
mechashiva
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Metroidvania
People called Romanes they go the house?
I've been catching up with this show, and I'm of two minds.
The Flash/comic stuff is a really, really fun modern take on the powers/lore/villains, no question about it.
But the relationship stuff, like in one scene where just prior to Barry being told not to go interfere with Iris, (who is essentially his foster sister, albeit him already liking her before he was taken in by Joe)....which is then followed by a scene at Jitters where the Flash immediately asks 'did you guys break up' in response to Iris saying she and Eddie are in a snit over Eddie having misgivings about the flash....
It's cringe worthy, lol.
Also was wondering about the whole transference of motion to people Barry saves, but then I saw the GIF above, and was reminded of just how OP the speedforce is.
The Flash/comic stuff is a really, really fun modern take on the powers/lore/villains, no question about it.
But the relationship stuff, like in one scene where just prior to Barry being told not to go interfere with Iris, (who is essentially his foster sister, albeit him already liking her before he was taken in by Joe)....which is then followed by a scene at Jitters where the Flash immediately asks 'did you guys break up' in response to Iris saying she and Eddie are in a snit over Eddie having misgivings about the flash....
It's cringe worthy, lol.
Also was wondering about the whole transference of motion to people Barry saves, but then I saw the GIF above, and was reminded of just how OP the speedforce is.
The answer is always speedforce
Actually the answer might be 'Cisco is amazing'? Could be attributed in the same way Reed Richard's outfits work with the FF?Somehow I knew that was the answer
Miles Quaritch
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Spoilers confirm this or speculation?
IIRC the reason was to protect Iris. Now that they're onto Wells, they realize anyone looking into him is gonna get RF'd. If Iris keeps picking at the Mason disappearance, eventually she's going to find enough shit on Wells to get herself killed.
They needed Eddie to lie about Mason, and it was going to be near impossible to convince him to do that without some serious ammo. Telling him about Flash / RF was pretty much the most viable move in a short timeframe.
Speculation about end of all this:
Flash will fail to stop reverse flash from killing his mother but be will succeed in stopping him before he kills Wells. He meets Wells so Wells knows who he is and maybe somehow travels back to his own time. STAR Labs and Wells are still geared to helping the Flash but Reverse Flash is back to his old self and now known by the team. Maybe to counter this Reverse Flash helps Eddie along.
Jest Chillin
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As unlikely as it is.. the time travel aspects of the show have to be kind of scary for fans. If the writers ever feel like it, they now have an in-universe canon reset button. They can speed through the plotline as fast as they want to then boom, reset.
More_Badass
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Well the time travel has been involved since the opening scene of the show so it's not like something they shoehorned in. The entire plot of the show has happened because of the timeline being manipulated by Thawne. I think the writers are aware that falling back on a reset like that will lessen the show's storyline.
OdysseusVA
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I wish Arrow had a reset button.
It's confirmed.
PHOENIXZERO
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That's what I've expected to happen since the first few episodes of the season aired. I wouldn't be surprised if it did, might help with the budget too if it (and it probably will) gets cut.
The Technomancer
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Looking back at the episode list is kind of surreal. Anything before The Man in the Yellow Suit just slides out of my memory as a serviceable but generic CW superhero show. Its crazy how fast it accelerated (ha) after that
Jest Chillin
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Oh I know, I'm just sort of putting it out there as a the scariest possibility.
Cold blooded.
http://flashtvnews.com/flash-episode-19-spoilers-who-is-harrison-wells-description/19758
Some spoilers for episode 19 that explains certain things we've seen in recent trailers. Again if you have no interest in knowing anything about the episode don't click the link though it's really only small spoilers.
Some spoilers for episode 19 that explains certain things we've seen in recent trailers. Again if you have no interest in knowing anything about the episode don't click the link though it's really only small spoilers.
Yep also explains
the flash fighting the flash
On another note we've all seen the flash and reverse flash fight it out but now see them dance it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz-PTMHQ9Hc
If he succeeded then he would snap back to his normal timeline since he wouldn't have been trapped in the past due to chasing Berry.
BKatastrophe
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So how the hell is Barry so old in the future? Does that accelerated healing factor keep him basically immortal, Wolverine-style?
Also, this made me laugh
Also, this made me laugh
BKatastrophe
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I was hoping someone would catch it.
PHOENIXZERO
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He has accelerated healing but probably not a healing factor that includes regeneration.
Well, I think judging by the major reveals this season I think wouldn't be too far off to bet that she finds out before the season ends.
BKatastrophe
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I doubt it includes regeneration as well. Which is why my only conclusion is that Thawne somehow decided that it would be best to travel into a time where Barry was still the Flash (albeit older), and then said "Fuck it, Imma kill him as a kid," fucked that up as well, and then got stranded.
That's the only way I can comprehend Barry fighting Eobard, a man who is from multiple centuries into the future.
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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When do
to the show what episode ?
Laurel & Captain Lance come
BodiesWithoutOrgans
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OK that also explains
Barry (Grant Gustin) races to catch a meta-human named Hannibal Bates (guest star Martin Novotny) who can transform himself into every person he touches which includes Eddie
Eddie not really shooting the cops its the bad guy
Cool next two Flash Episodes are crossovers in some way I love it
I'm not so sure he really the jealous type though? I mean think of the circumstances. Barry and Iris are incredibly close ... and have been since kids. Barry clearly has feelings for her, and it's not a jump to assume he realizes there's at least something there on Iris' side as well.
Even with that though, he hasn't really tried to harm their relationship. He's taken it in stride. The only time he's really showed any concern was in a situation like at the bowling alley. And clearly that wasn't just him ... Linda was like wtf as well. I think even a confident person would take pause at how close / comfortable those two were there.
Like I posted yesterday, I think defeating RF will reset the timeline ... and the rest of the show will involve him getting back to his current level and beyond. You kind of have to. If not, the only options are:
Power up the villains to make them an actual threat since he's so OP. Viable, but a little odd. Where were all these guys up until now? Unless instead of RF's defeat (likely in the past) resetting his powers, that timeline change also powers up everyone else to?
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Superman dilemma - you need to even the playing field rock/paper/scissors style by giving him his kryptonite. I'm not a follower of the comics so I don't know if he has one. If he doesn't, creating one for the show is crap. Even if it is cannon, it's still kind of lame and gives me Smallville flashbacks.
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Heroes dilemma - massive imbalance of powers throws the writers in the corner. Their only way out? Make the OP characters dumb fucks that regularly make terrible choices and / or don't use their powers even remotely effectively. We all know how well that works :\
Wait, I'm getting really confused now, lol. Isn't it all the same guy? What do you guys mean by "OG Thawne"?
Thawne kills Barry's Mom --> takes Wells's identity --> lives as Wells until present day
Right?
I think you guys are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that The Flash will never actually operate at his full potential all the time. It happens plenty in the comics. Sure, sometimes you get Flash doing something super cool like rebuilding an entire building in a couple of seconds, or outrunning teleportation but then next week he's back and running into Deathstroke's stationary sword. If The Flash ever worked to his full potential every single comic or episode would spend the first panel/minute showing The Flash solving every problem everywhere and then the rest would be him just sitting around eating a million donuts.
Poodlestrike
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Can't speak for everybody, but to me the old Thawne seems different. It's possible that it's just a question of acting choices, but he genuinely comes across as colder, more... well, evil than the one we're familiar with. My (wild) guess is that it's because he picked up some of Well's personality when he took his identity, as well as a little bit of becoming the mask, as it were, over the years.
Septimus Prime
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Uh...it sure does!
I could see either/both of those being the case, for sure, though since he's technically still that same person I don't see how there would be any different "OG Thawne" who could come back. Unless we're talking about the future Thawne prior to killing Barry's mother coming to present day to affect things somehow.
It was worded oddly, but I think what he was implying is that the color of the streak you're going to see is based on the suit color, not the electricity. Which physically is true.
If it was simply a reference to a prior role (even a relatively popular one) ... yes that alone would be kind of lame.
This is kind of a special case though. The entire 'xxxx, I am your father' is part of the fabric of modern culture ... and has been for decades. It's incredibly well known, to the point many people that don't even know where the reference came from are aware of it and even use it.
So given the original actor who made such a famous line is there I find it pretty funny. Even if it happened alone, I'd still find it amusing regardless of it possibly breaking suspension of disbelief. It's kind of one of those 'they had to' sort of things. For me personally, I actually knew it was coming. Seemed too perfect not to (I literally assumed they'd make him his son just to use the line).
Is it corny, well sure. It's obviously fan service ... but how many opportunities are there for it to happen? As a writer you have to do it IMO.
To take a little bit of the pain away though, I would actually argue it's kind of in character. Trickster making a pop culture reference was set up by the Breaking Bad season 5 stuff, etc. So I think one could make the argument he'd do it even if he wasn't Mark Hamill.
Septimus Prime
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Whoa, hold up there!
1. Vader never says, "Luke, I am your father."
2. Luke certain never says it.
Poodlestrike
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Well... this is a bit of a philosophical fine point, but they're not really the same person, in the same way that none of use are the same person we were 15 years ago, but moreso. It's not all that unreasonable to refer to them as different people.
And yeah, the time travel aspect of original timeline Thawne coming back to start causing havoc again is what I was alluding to.
PHOENIXZERO
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Vader didn't but that's what it turned into within pop culture.
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