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[RomanticHeroX]

There's nothing wrong with a documentary wanting to put forth a particular view on events. That's usually for the best, actually. They clearly weren't objective in the film, but as a result they tell an extremely engaging story. If someone wanted to make a documentary from Prost's perspective I'd certainly be interested in seeing it too.

 

[Shaneus]

Also, what's with the Alosno hate?

Absolutely no idea. It's not even like he's a right cunt or douche off-track so there's no real reason for it.

There's nothing wrong with a documentary wanting to put forth a particular view on events. That's usually for the best, actually. They clearly weren't objective in the film, but as a result they tell an extremely engaging story. If someone wanted to make a documentary from Prost's perspective I'd certainly be interested in seeing it too.

How is it "for the best"? If telling an engaging story and being objective are mutually exclusive, then it ceases to be a documentary. I have the same issue with King of Kong.

 

[Dead Man]

There's nothing wrong with a documentary wanting to put forth a particular view on events. That's usually for the best, actually. They clearly weren't objective in the film, but as a result they tell an extremely engaging story. If someone wanted to make a documentary from Prost's perspective I'd certainly be interested in seeing it too.

A documentary can benefit from a narrative, but it needs to be a true one.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

A documentary can benefit from a narrative, but it needs to be a true one.

I disagree. Or, I guess to be more specific, I think there's absolutely room for both. The people making Senna didn't want to just show the events in Senna's career leading up to his death, they wanted to tell the story of Senna as the mythical figure. And to do that, as was pointed out, you need conflict and villains and dangers. They wanted to tell a narrative using the events of Senna's life, and the result is an incredible film. I have no doubt that someone could make an interesting documentary of the same subject from a purely objective perspective, but it wouldn't be the same mythical story. Without a hero and a villain and obstacles to overcome you lose the conflict and the narrative, and instead just have a recounting of events, which there's definitely room for. What's important in Senna isn't how fairly they show events, it's how you react to the story of the man that they present, and I think that's absolutely valid.

 

[Chris R]

So looking at the official layout for Austin, I think I'll try to get tickets for the "Natural" stand at turn 1. Should have a good view of the straight and first few turns from there. If I can't get a seat there I'll try for the stand at T15. Just wish they would release tickets (or at least when they will be on sale) already so I can see how much it will hurt my wallet

 

[Dead Man]

I disagree. Or, I guess to be more specific, I think there's absolutely room for both. The people making Senna didn't want to just show the events in Senna's career leading up to his death, they wanted to tell the story of Senna as the mythical figure. And to do that, as was pointed out, you need conflict and villains and dangers. They wanted to tell a narrative using the events of Senna's life, and the result is an incredible film. I have no doubt that someone could make an interesting documentary of the same subject from a purely objective perspective, but it wouldn't be the same mythical story. Without a hero and a villain and obstacles to overcome you lose the conflict and the narrative, and instead just have a recounting of events, which there's definitely room for. What's important in Senna isn't how fairly they show events, it's how you react to the story of the man that they present, and I think that's absolutely valid.

If they want to make fiction, they should make fiction. If they want to document the legend, they can do that without making shit up.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

If they want to make fiction, they should make fiction. If they want to document the legend, they can do that without making shit up.

It's not fiction. Using all archival footage more or less ensures that they're not just making things up either. They're presenting their interpretation of events, by letting events tell themselves, and not saying that it's the only view. It's not an uncommon approach, either. Even going outside documentaries, finding purely objective accounts of history isn't that simple. It also doesn't always make for interesting movies.

 

[Dead Man]

It's not fiction. Using all archival footage more or less ensures that they're not just making things up either. They're presenting their interpretation of events, by letting events tell themselves, and not saying that it's the only view. It's not an uncommon approach, either. Even going outside documentaries, finding purely objective accounts of history isn't that simple. It also doesn't always make for interesting movies.

The pictures were not fiction, of course. Their narrative is. If you can't making an interesting movie while remaining truthful, you probably should not make the movie, leave it someone better.

Look, Senna is a great film, and was one of the best drivers of all time, but the neither the movie nor the man is without flaws.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

Absolutely, I agree with that. Where I'm coming from is saying that criticizing the film for being biased isn't really valid since that wasn't their intention. It's not perfect, though I love it for what it is, but it never was supposed to be a completely fair portrayal of Prost and others. Oddly enough, it sorta reminds me of King of Kong in that regard.

 

[Dead Man]

Absolutely, I agree with that. Where I'm coming from is saying that criticizing the film for being biased isn't really valid since that wasn't their intention.

I think if you market yourself as a documentary, you are absolutely opening yourself to criticism if you are biased. If you have modern interviews included with your archival footage, and you present an incorrect view, you are absolutely able to be criticised for that. If someone's intention is to lie, and they do it well, they are still liars. Obviously it is not as simple as them lying, but you cannot use 'that is what they wanted' as an absolute excuse for bias.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

There are always two sides of the story..

imagine a documentary about McLaren in 2007? Some would say Ron was the evil guy who wanted to destroy Alonso, and some would say he's a spoiled brat!

 

[Shaneus]

I'm just imagining a documentary made on Webber... hmmmmm.

 

[Dead Man]

There are always two sides of the story..

imagine a documentary about McLaren in 2007? Some would say Ron was the evil guy who wanted to destroy Alonso, and some would say he's a spoiled brat!

That's sort of my point. Any doco that only had one of those views would be a bit suspect to me, they are both true!

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

There are always two sides of the story..

imagine a documentary about McLaren in 2007? Some would say Ron was the evil guy who wanted to destroy Alonso, and some would say he's a spoiled brat!

...and as a documentary, it would explore both viewpoints.

Senna wasn't a documentary, it was [entertaining] propaganda.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

...and as a documentary, it would explore both viewpoints.

Senna wasn't a documentary, it was [entertaining] propaganda.

I see that you've answered yourself.

But I bet most of you have watched the theatrical version which is crap.

Watch the extended version that has interviews with Prost and the rest, I don't really see it as biased, even Prost was talking about how Senna wanted to portray him in a bad way (IIRC)

 

[Lucius86]

The theatrical version is heavily biased. But as F1 fans, we should watch the extended version, which at least gives some support to Prost.

I'm glad it won. I loved both versions.

 

[Shaneus]

So, my brother and I will be somewhere around where the red circle is:

Not *quite* the view of the main straight that I'd hoped, but still should be an awesome view. Just found out there's this thing called "Fanvision" as well where (I think) you hire some portable LCD thing to watch the TV broadcast with (I'd imagine it'd be Sky as that's the main broadcast without ads, not the Australian one). Anyone used this before? The way it's advertised, it's a worldwide thing and not unique to the Australian F1.

 

[Lucius86]

So, my brother and I will be somewhere around where the red circle is:

Not *quite* the view of the main straight that I'd hoped, but still should be an awesome view. Just found out there's this thing called "Fanvision" as well where (I think) you hire some portable LCD thing to watch the TV broadcast with (I'd imagine it'd be Sky as that's the main broadcast without ads, not the Australian one). Anyone used this before? The way it's advertised, it's a worldwide thing and not unique to the Australian F1.

I saw it too when looking at tickets for other GPs... quite expensive though. Not sure if I would go for it myself when I hit Spa, I'd rather watch the GP back home when I have it recorded and just live for the moment with the cars in front of me.

 

[Shaneus]

I saw it too when looking at tickets for other GPs... quite expensive though. Not sure if I would go for it myself when I hit Spa, I'd rather watch the GP back home when I have it recorded and just live for the moment with the cars in front of me.

I didn't actually see prices, but if it's a bit exxy I think I'll give it a miss. Especially considering that where the seats are, there's no cover so anything on an LCD wouldn't be easy to see. Be handy for the audio though!
Maybe there's a way I could muck around with my iPhone, load it up with some extra data packages and score a Sky stream somehow onto it...

 

[Dead Man]

So, my brother and I will be somewhere around where the red circle is:

Not *quite* the view of the main straight that I'd hoped, but still should be an awesome view. Just found out there's this thing called "Fanvision" as well where (I think) you hire some portable LCD thing to watch the TV broadcast with (I'd imagine it'd be Sky as that's the main broadcast without ads, not the Australian one). Anyone used this before? The way it's advertised, it's a worldwide thing and not unique to the Australian F1.

I doubt it will be Sky, since that is just the UK commentary over the world feed. Everyone gets the same pictures, just different ads and commentary.

 

[Salamndar]

So the Mercs are the only Big ones left without a new car, 21st of feb. is the showing of the new Merc.

What are you expecting to see from them, an ugly duck or a beauty like McLaren ?

Also, now that the teams are back to the drawing boards to modify what can be modified, what are you expectations ?

I would say an over all improvement from Red Bull, some for McLaren and very little to the Ferrari.

 

[Shaneus]

I doubt it will be Sky, since that is just the UK commentary over the world feed. Everyone gets the same pictures, just different ads and commentary.

But surely they wouldn't have ads on a device rental service? Are there any Australian broadcasts at all that don't have ads? I don't even think there was any way to watch it (legitimately) ad-free last here over here

 

[brotkasten]

I'm just imagining a documentary made on Webber... hmmmmm.

Dude, http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35044529&postcount=3255

 

[Dead Man]

But surely they wouldn't have ads on a device rental service? Are there any Australian broadcasts at all that don't have ads? I don't even think there was any way to watch it (legitimately) ad-free last here over here

No, what I mean is that it will be the raw feed with some FIA or track provided commentary. Shouldn't be any ads, that would be silly, you're right.

 

[Septimius]

So guys, I have HD signal, but I have poopy commentators. How can I listen to Brundle in all his glory? Also, who's doing BBC this year?

 

[Edmond Dantès]

So guys, I have HD signal, but I have poopy commentators. How can I listen to Brundle in all his glory? Also, who's doing BBC this year?

1. Brundle; A stream would be your best bet.
2. BBC; David Coulthard and Ben Edwards are the commentary duo.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I'm going to miss Brundle and DC. Great duo

Fuck Sky!

 

[Lucius86]

I'm going to miss Brundle and DC. Great duo

Fuck Sky!

I just typed 'Fuck Sky' into Google here at work to get an interesting image to post - that was not the best idea I have ever had.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Lotus bosses say team atmosphere will bring out Kimi Raikkonen's best

Lopez said Lotus had found Raikkonen to be a totally different character to how he was presented during his last F1 stint.

"For most people it's probably one of the big mysteries, because you hear the hearsay and so forth, but we feel very good with him and he clearly feels at home," Lopez told AUTOSPORT.

Lopez added: "I think Kimi has a public image that honestly from what we've seen does not translate into how he really is. He's a very hard worker, very good at providing feedback, and has a good team spirit.

Lotus impressed by Raikkonen

"There's an awful lot more to Formula One than just putting one lap together and that's what makes a champion," he told ESPNF1. "That's the sort of thing you can see in Kimi and see how good he is; how he uses the car over a long run and how he looks after the tyres. He's never driven these tyres before and already after a couple of days you can see that he's understanding them and altering his driving to look after them - he's got a lot of feel in the car."

Permane added that Raikkonen has been very specific about the requests he has made of the team, but has paid them back with "excellent" feedback.

"He's very easy to work with, very, very easy indeed - no complaints at all," Permane said. "His feedback is excellent, he spends an awful lot of time with his engineers looking at stuff, going through data and telling us what he wants. From what I can see, he's happy firstly with the car we've given him, but also the other stuff - the bits that he asked for when he came, the type of steering wheel he wanted, the seat, the seat belts, things like that. We've also delivered the braking stuff he wanted, he's got all that. I think he's a pretty happy guy."

 

[Zeppu]

I just typed 'Fuck Sky' into Google here at work to get an interesting image to post - that was not the best idea I have ever had.

I got this:

 

[Lucius86]

I got this:

I got women who may have been naked. Not great when you work in schools.....

 

[Zeppu]

I got women who may have been naked. Not great when you work in schools.....

Yeah then I turned off safesearch and got a bunch of boobies, nakedness, and penii. I guess 'Sky' is a fairly common porn name.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

I got women who may have been naked. Not great when you work in schools.....

its called "safe search" turn it on

 

[Lucius86]

its called "safe search" turn it on

Safesearch is for wimps and Kimi fanboys.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Safesearch is for wimps and Kimi fanboys.

I'm hurt

 

[Zeppu]

I'm hurt

Well at least we're not sure you're a wimp.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Lotus bosses say team atmosphere will bring out Kimi Raikkonen's best





Lotus impressed by Raikkonen

Sounds like a bunch of PR nonsense to me. They're not exactly going to come out and say that they're bitterly disappointed with Raikkonen and feel like they've been short changed.

 

[Psychotext]

Just found out there's this thing called "Fanvision" as well where (I think) you hire some portable LCD thing to watch the TV broadcast with (I'd imagine it'd be Sky as that's the main broadcast without ads, not the Australian one). Anyone used this before? The way it's advertised, it's a worldwide thing and not unique to the Australian F1.

It's really good. Used to be called Kangaroo TV.

If nothing else it's worth it to listen to the driver radio (which you get much more of than you do from the TV feed).

 

[Xun]

Still expensive, but the F1 track day is a bit cheaper now it would seem.

When I learn to drive (I'm 22 and I can't drive, crazy eh?) and get the cash I'm doing this.

http://www.racing-school.co.uk/driving/formula1.asp

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I got this:

Hahaha. Nice to see my comment spawned such an intellectual debate.

I am worried about the commentary, though. Well, the whole production, really. I think it's going to feel like the best team (eg: BBC last year) has been split up and you're only ever getting half of it. If you have Jake, DC and Eddie, you're missing out on Brundle etc.

 

[Adamm]

Still expensive, but the F1 track day is a bit cheaper now it would seem.

When I learn to drive (I'm 22 and I can't drive, crazy eh?) and get the cash I'm doing this.

http://www.racing-school.co.uk/driving/formula1.asp

I only learned to drive when i was 22

Ive seen that F1 experience linked here before, but each time it disappoints me that you only actually get 10 laps in an F1 car.
I don't expect to jump straight into an F1 car for about 300 laps, but still for £1600 I would expect a bit more

 

[mclem]

I'm just imagining a documentary made on Webber... hmmmmm.

You know how Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King takes an *extremely* long time to *end*?

A Webber documentary? Opposite problem.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

You know how Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King takes an *extremely* long time to *end*?

A Webber documentary? Opposite problem.

Chin-man f'ed up his only chance to win a WDC.... the end

 

[DrM]

Chin-man f'ed up his only chance to win a WDC.... the end

And sandbags, sandbags everywhere.

 

[Ark]

Chin-man f'ed up his only chance to win a WDC.... the end

This year is realistically going to be Webber's last shot at the title, and that's only if he can match Vettel.

 

[dalin80]

If he does match vettel red bull would just fills his tyres with piss just in case.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

Genuinely excited about the start of the season, almost a month away now!

The off-season testing are fun to keep up with, but they don't feed my hunger for F1 races.

BBC crew look really good this year, the addition of Gary Anderson have instantly paid off. Watching the BBC McLaren analysis was very informative and much more than what an F1 driver could deliver.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Sky Sports F1:

Friday 9th March:

20:00 - F1 Magazine Show
22:00 - Legends (Fittipaldi)
22:30 - Winter Testing (Jerez + Barcelona)
23:00 - F1 Magazine Show (Rpt)



Friday 16th March:

01:00 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix Practice 1
03:30 - Legends (Fittipaldi - Rpt)
04:00 - Time of Our Lives
05:00 - 2012 Car Unveiling
05:30 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix Practice 2
07:30 - Australian Grand Prix Practice 2

Saturday 17th March:

02:45 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix Practice 3
04:15 - 2012 Car Unveiling - McLaren (Rpt)
04:30 - Legends (Fittipaldi - Rpt)
05:00 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix Qualifying
08:00 - Legends (Fittipaldi - Rpt)
08:30 - Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (Rpt)
11:15 - Time of Our Lives - GP Greats (Rpt)
12:15 - 2012 Car Unveiling - McLaren (Rpt)
12:30 - Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (Rpt)
15:15 - Legends (Fittipaldi - Rpt)
15:45 - Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (Rpt)
18:30 - 2012 Car Unveiling - McLaren (Rpt)
18:45 - 2012 Car Unveiling - Force India (Rpt)
19:00 - F1 Magazine Show

- practice 1, 2 and 3 replays follow.

Sunday 18th March:
04:30 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix
09:00 - Legends - Mansell
09:30 - Australian Grand Prix (Rpt)
14:00 - Legends - Mansell (Rpt)
14:30 - Australian Grand Prix (Rpt)
19:00 - Legends - Mansell (Rpt)
19:30 - Australian Grand Prix Highlights (90 minutes)

1) The Magazine show seems to vary. There is a 2 hour programme on launch weekend but then the following weekend during the Australian GP it is only 1 hour long. It is repeated numerous times (as you might guess).

2) There is a programme called F1: Fast Track (only 30 mins long) regarding each race, shown on the Tuesday after each race.

3) Four separate 2011 review programmes comprising of 75, 90, 90 and 90 minutes in the run-up to Australia.

4) There are also old season reviews of 60 mins each starting with the 1988 season and then moving forward from there beginning on Wednesday 21st March. The 1989 season is shown the next day; then the 1990 and 1991 seasons are the following week.

5) Live Indy Racing: Sunday 25 March (5.30pm to 8pm) - Honda GP of St Petersburg



Friday 23rd March - 07:55 to 09:00 - LIVE: Malaysian GP2 Qualifying

Saturday 24th March - 06:35 to 07:40 - LIVE: Malaysian GP2 Race 1 Live

Sunday 25th March - 04:30 to 05:35 - LIVE: Malaysian GP2 Race 2 Live

Please note as with all schedules they are subject to change.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Full Sky Sports opening schedule

Sky Sports F1
Friday 9th March
20:00 - F1 Magazine Show
22:00 - Legends (Fittipaldi)
22:30 - Winter Testing (Jerez + Barcelona)
23:00 - F1 Magazine Show (Rpt)

-------

Friday 16th March
01:00 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix Practice 1
03:30 - Legends (Fittipaldi - Rpt)
04:00 - Time of Our Lives
05:00 - 2012 Car Unveiling
05:30 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix Practice 2
07:30 - Australian Grand Prix Practice 2

Saturday 17th March
02:45 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix Practice 3
04:15 - 2012 Car Unveiling - McLaren (Rpt)
04:30 - Legends (Fittipaldi - Rpt)
05:00 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix Qualifying
08:00 - Legends (Fittipaldi - Rpt)
08:30 - Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (Rpt)
11:15 - Time of Our Lives - GP Greats (Rpt)
12:15 - 2012 Car Unveiling - McLaren (Rpt)
12:30 - Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (Rpt)
15:15 - Legends (Fittipaldi - Rpt)
15:45 - Australian Grand Prix Qualifying (Rpt)
18:30 - 2012 Car Unveiling - McLaren (Rpt)
18:45 - 2012 Car Unveiling - Force India (Rpt)
19:00 - F1 Magazine Show
- practice 1, 2 and 3 replays follow.

Saturday 18th March
04:30 - LIVE: Australian Grand Prix
09:00 - Legends - Mansell
09:30 - Australian Grand Prix (Rpt)
14:00 - Legends - Mansell (Rpt)
14:30 - Australian Grand Prix (Rpt)
19:00 - Legends - Mansell (Rpt)
19:30 - Australian Grand Prix Highlights (90 minutes)

1) The Magazine show seems to vary. There is a 2 hour programme on launch weekend but then the following weekend during the Australian GP it is only 1 hour long. It is repeated numerous times (as you might guess).
2) There is a programme called F1: Fast Track (only 30 mins long) regarding each race, shown on the Tuesday after each race.
3) Four separate 2011 review programmes comprising of 75, 90, 90 and 90 minutes in the run-up to Australia.
4) There are also old season reviews of 60 mins each starting with the 1988 season and then moving forward from there beginning on Wednesday 21st March. The 1989 season is shown the next day; then the 1990 and 1991 seasons are the following week.
5) Live Indy Racing: Sunday 25 March (5.30pm to 8pm) - Honda GP of St Petersburg

Friday 23rd March - 07:55 to 09:00 - LIVE: Malaysian GP2 Qualifying
Saturday 24th March - 06:35 to 07:40 - LIVE: Malaysian GP2 Race 1 Live
Sunday 25th March - 04:30 to 05:35 - LIVE: Malaysian GP2 Race 2 Live



Certainly more packed than the BBC's schedule, although much of it seems like filler material.

 

[SunhiLegend]

Does anyone have Sky and have used SkyGo? A mate of mine told me the player has a delay of around 2 minutes during football matches. Thats ridiculous, the iplayer only had a delay of around 10 seconds.