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The Formula 1 2011/2012 Off-Season Thread |OT| The Year of the Red Bull

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Lucius86 said:
Can we stop hating on the smaller teams? It kinda makes me sad.

I want as many cars as possible on the track - these guys are doing their best at competing in one of the most advanced sports in the world. They employ plenty of people, which in this current climate cannot be knocked, and heck they may crash into a Ferrari for good measure.

I hope Marussia get a car ready at least for Melbourne.
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True. I just like competition, hopefully this year it will be a bit more close.
 
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Edmond Dantès;35532639 said:
I thinking more along the lines of the VW group and their stable of companies. The like of Audi and Porsche would add another dimension to F1.
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A VW Beetle F1 Team would be cool.
 
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Adamm

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Lucius86 said:
Can we stop hating on the smaller teams? It kinda makes me sad.

I want as many cars as possible on the track - these guys are doing their best at competing in one of the most advanced sports in the world. They employ plenty of people, which in this current climate cannot be knocked, and heck they may crash into a Ferrari for good measure.

I hope Marussia get a car ready at least for Melbourne.
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Im all for more teams, but this is third year now - how they can they still be so unprepared?
HRT can blame a tiny budget, but Marussia?
 
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Adamm said:
Im all for more teams, but this is third year now - how they can they still be so unprepared?
HRT can blame a tiny budget, but Marussia?
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Who knows what has happened behind the scenes. I'm not pointing the finger at you Adamm, I know where you are coming from, but once again I get the impression F1 gaf thinks they know all. These guys are doing their utter best in getting an F1 team ready in an incredibly short winter, having to meet ever stricter regulations and tests. It's not easy. Ferrari failed a crash test too you know.

Seeing them go will mean HRT will likely be racing against no one of equal competitiveness, which is rubbish for the sport. And I absolutely refute any of these three being a waste of space.
 
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I was actually sort of hopeful for Marussia.

It would've been nice to see a new team get at least somewhere.
 
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Lucius86 said:
Can we stop hating on the smaller teams? It kinda makes me sad.

I want as many cars as possible on the track - these guys are doing their best at competing in one of the most advanced sports in the world. They employ plenty of people, which in this current climate cannot be knocked, and heck they may crash into a Ferrari for good measure.

I hope Marussia get a car ready at least for Melbourne.
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It just blows that it's only the majority of the smaller teams that screw things up. I don't know whether we'd classify Caterham as a good low-tier team or a poor mid-tier team, but they seem to be doing things far more competently than either HRT or Marussia. Their driver lineup doesn't really even reflect that of being a low-tier team.

Fuck yeah, Petrov FTW.


Edmond Dantès;35532257 said:
You never know, one of these teams may end up being the next Minardi; purchased by a larger entity and propelled up the grid with better finances.
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Without Minardi, we'd have no Webber in Formula 1.

Fuck yeah, Paul Stoddart FTW.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Ferrari and Red Bull forced to revert to original testing schedule after FIA move.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97713


Webber: Top team or nothing in 2013

"I'd need something competitive," Webber told the Australian news agency AAP on Tuesday.
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"It's pretty clear that I've earned my stripes on the way through so I won't be doing that on the other side -- going the other way," said Webber.

"Being competitive, being at the front, is certainly a big, big factor of me staying very hungry and motivated."
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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/top-team-or-nothing-for-2013-warns-webber/?i=3?i=3
 
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Scuderia said:
Empty threat i reckon, he will be happy with nearly any seat with a new team mate.
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Really don't see that happening given how many years he spent in struggling mid-field teams before Red Bull came good. Same with Button, I simply can't fathom how they could possibly motivate themselves through an intentional step back through the grid.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Production photos of Ron Howard's F1 film 'Rush' revealed

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=87467

Set against the 1970's golden age of Formula 1 racing, "Rush" portrays the fast-paced and exhilarating true story of two of the greatest rivalries the sport has ever witnessed – that of James Hunt (Chris Hemsworth) and Niki Lauda (Daniel Brühl) and their illustrious Formula 1 racing teams, McLaren and Ferrari.
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Hoping it turns out better than 'Driven'.

Thor playing James Hunt...interesting.
 
Goldrusher

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How Alexander Wurz ranks the teams (based on how they looked during testing):


Red Bull (strong, but not as convincing as last year)
McLaren (surprisingly strong, as they're usually quite slow in the winter tests)
Mercedes (made good progress)
Ferrari
Force India, along with Williams & Lotus (especially Force India could surprise)
Toro Rosso & Sauber (both have problems with the back of the car)

Für Wurz ist klar: "Red Bull ist wieder vorne, aber nicht so überlegen wie 2011. Dann kommt McLaren, was bemerkenswert ist, weil die ja seit Jahren zu Saisonstart noch zu langsam sind." Daher rechnet er damit, dass es im Laufe der Saison zwischen den Rennställen aus Milton Keynes und Woking noch enger zugehen wird.

Auf Platz drei sieht er nicht Ferrari oder das in Jerez überraschend starke Lotus-Team mit Kimi Räikkönen, sondern die Mercedes-Truppe von Ross Brawn, für die auch der Österreicher vor einigen Jahren als Testpilot fungiert hatte. "Die haben einen Schritt nach vorne gemacht", urteilt Wurz. Erst dann reiht sich laut dem Le-Mans-Piloten Ferrari ein.

Hinter den Roten aus Maranello sieht er ein Trio aus Williams, Lotus und Force India. Vor allem die Inder schätzt er als gefährliche Außenseiter ein: "Die sind vielleicht auch richtig schnell und für mich die unbekannte Größe, sie könnten überraschen." In Schwierigkeiten befinden sich laut Wurz zwei Teams, die bei den Tests mit guten Zeiten überrascht hatten: Toro Rosso und Sauber. "Die haben beide noch Probleme an der Hinterachse."

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/...t_Mercedes_bereits_dritte_Kraft_12022822.html
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fu3lfr3nzy

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Goldrusher said:
How Alexander Wurz ranks the teams (based on how they looked during testing):


Red Bull (strong, but not as convincing as last year)
McLaren (surprisingly strong, as they're usually quite slow in the winter tests)
Mercedes (made good progress)
Ferrari
Force India, along with Williams & Lotus (especially Force India could surprise)
Toro Rosso & Sauber (both have problems with the back of the car)
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Ferrari (blank)

:lol
 
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Not too shabby:

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Mclaren will, according to numerous rumors, introduce brand new rear wing and some kind of innovative DRS solution on this week's test.
 
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Adamm

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Goldrusher said:
How Alexander Wurz ranks the teams (based on how they looked during testing):


Red Bull (strong, but not as convincing as last year)
McLaren (surprisingly strong, as they're usually quite slow in the winter tests)
Mercedes (made good progress)
Ferrari
Force India, along with Williams & Lotus (especially Force India could surprise)
Toro Rosso & Sauber (both have problems with the back of the car)
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Sounds about right!

Although from what im hearing Ferrari looks like it could be a good car, its just not quite there yet. It probably wont win in australia, but should be winning races at some point during the season.
 
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NHale

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Adamm said:
Sounds about right!

Although from what im hearing Ferrari looks like it could be a good car, its just not quite there yet. It probably wont win in australia, but should be winning races at some point during the season.
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But then you have Alonso saying this to the Spanish media "If I don't win another championship, I will still leave with my head held high". Not exactly what I expected to hear from a tremendous competitor like Alonso a couple of weeks before the start of a new season.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Adamm said:
Ive never read anything posted on f1technical before, But damn - that some detailed stuff! is it all like this?
Ill need to spend more time on this site
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The best F1 forum on the net for the technical side of things.

And some fantastic model makers as well posting there.


On a different note; I wonder how often Sky's production team will make use of whatever popular film score that is doing the rounds.

Tron Legacy in this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ60HtT4JI8

Also expect a bit of Zimmer now and then and maybe even a bit of Howard Shore with The Hobbit coming soon.
 
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Omiee said:
yeah rbr are fucked
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Fuck yeah!
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McLaren have been particularly clever with their exhausts this year. The channels in the 'warts' look like they have a downward curve to them, which would redirect the flow of the exhaust using the coanda effect. And they seem to be pretty effective, at that. At least in judging from the flowvis pics we've seen, it looks like the exhausts hit the floor just in front and just inside the centreline of the rear tires. That's at idle, I'm guessing, which assumes that the flowvis pattern we see is from it getting cooked pretty quickly. This alone would give them the benefit of warming the tires for starts and restarts, similar to what we suspected that Red Bull was doing last year.

But I think that at higher speeds, the exhaust is being deflected by airflow inward, just to the inside of the tires, which of course is right where they were blowing the exhaust last year. The difference being that the exhaust will be angled downward. That may in fact be more effective, though the exhaust outlets being further away probably means there is still a net loss of effectiveness. And then there's the issue of no off-throttle blowing. Still.

So if I'm correct, McLaren have devised a system that helps them in two ways - first in warming the tires at low speeds, and second in sealing the diffuser at high speeds.

Another theory is that the exhaust remains on the tires even at speed, and the added heat is allowing them to use a less aggressive setup with less wear/longer tire life. I could go with either one, but I think the comments from the team about the car being both a bit squirrelly and exceptionally good at high speed corners point toward the deflected exhaust/diffuser sealing idea.
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