RomanticHeroX
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I wonder if Kimi was registered with his real name.
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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Double World Champion Sebastian Vettel |OT2|
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He was wasted as brick
The RB demo in Milton Keynes was pretty decent today, although the cars were only out for a few mins at a time I can't really complain since it was free. Decent turnout as well, Red Bull estimates 60,000 so wouldn't be surprised if they do a few more in the future.
I wasn't too bothered seeing the F1 cars as I've seen them up close before, seeing the NASCAR was good though. Just the one on its own was pretty loud, a whole field of them in a small oval would be mental. Determined to go see a NASCAR race one day now.
I wasn't too bothered seeing the F1 cars as I've seen them up close before, seeing the NASCAR was good though. Just the one on its own was pretty loud, a whole field of them in a small oval would be mental. Determined to go see a NASCAR race one day now.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Wax Free Vanilla
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Edwards :bow
GTP_Daverytimes
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Wait? Kobayahi is not racing in 2012? if so sauber can officially fuck themselves, there goes the lone reason i started watching F1 again. (Assuming the rumors[if any?] are true)
Myoclonic Jerk
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Why don't you blame the Japanese manufacturers? they should man the fuck up and come back to F1 rather than bailing out immediately after the crisis!
Grosjean got his backing from french companies, Petrov had his seat coz of Russian companies, same as for Maldonado. Hell, even Alonso got his McLaren and more evidently his Ferrari seat because of Santander. Most drivers need some financial backing, no matter how talented they are.
I like the guy and I'll be sad if he loses his seat, don't get me wrong, but don't blame Sauber if he drops him for a paying driver
Nope. I will always blame a team for not taking the best driver available and chasing pay drivers. I will not blame the Japanese motor companies for not being in F1 just to hire 1 Japanese driver.
Sleeplessnights
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Koba is so far confirmed for 2012.
Wax Free Vanilla
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i think the rumour originated from swiss website blick
toilef1 published their 'exclusive' on it yesterday. they had the scoop on grosjean replacing petrov, so their source seems reliable. it wouldn't be a loss if it turned out true as kobayashi is shit.
marussia announcing something on the 16th, must be petrov? which means glock is out of a drive seeing as they recently signed pic.
driver contracts being ripped up all over the shop, lol.
brotkasten
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Glock already signed a long-term deal with Marussia.
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110724/F1/110729938/0/article
Adam Scott Aukerman
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And Petrov had a 2012 contract with Lotus...
Edmond Dantès
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Indeed, these contracts that are made to be broken with smart, elegant get out clauses. Some of the best solicitors in the world are employed by the F1 paddock. Watching a good solicitor draft a contract full of clauses is a pleasure to behold. It's not my area of expertise (specialise in another area of law, that doesn't require the drafting and writing of contracts), but it's always fascinating to see a contract drafted. That is if you don't find the legal profession tedious, soul sapping and boring.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Edmond Dantès;33376997 said:
I think it all boils down on how disperate one party to sign with the other is.
In the case of pay drivers, I'm sure its as simple as "if I don't race you don't get the money", but for cases like Kimi, Ferrari had to pay him for the remaining time in his contract
So Lotus (I'll start saying Lotus from now on) loss for terminating Petrov's contract early would be the sponsorship from his father's company, but I'm sure they got more from Renault and Total for signing Grosgean
Hope this is true, I'm throwing around ideas for a hybrid Kimiyashiatar for next season.
The Di Resta whine about Vettel is pretty delicious 
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/12/paul-di-resta-vettel-won-because-he-had-the-best-car/
ahaha, that worked well against Sutil.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/12/paul-di-resta-vettel-won-because-he-had-the-best-car/
ahaha, that worked well against Sutil.
wonderkins
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I'm still waiting for a Di Resta interview where he has the decency not to discuss Formula 3 and Vettel. Wasn't it something like 5 years, or so, ago? I expect to be waiting a rather long time.
If the rumors are true about FI's 2012 driver line-up, maybe The Hulk will help to temper Di Resta's outsized ego.
If the rumors are true about FI's 2012 driver line-up, maybe The Hulk will help to temper Di Resta's outsized ego.
Foliorum Viridum
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Webber had the same car as Vettel, so...
Vettel is clearly the best driver on the grid today. To suggest it was just the car is laughable.
Vettel is clearly the best driver on the grid today. To suggest it was just the car is laughable.
Psychotext
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As an F1 driver you should really keep your mouth shut about such things.
You could beat a driver in karting, GP1, GP2, F3000 and dodgems... but until you beat them in F1, shut the hell up. You make yourself look just a little pathetic.
You could beat a driver in karting, GP1, GP2, F3000 and dodgems... but until you beat them in F1, shut the hell up. You make yourself look just a little pathetic.
mclaren777
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I think Hamilton and Alonso are both better drivers than Vettel. Possibly even Button.
Diablohead
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vettel's car always had an edge, I have full reason to believe his car was the better of the two easily.
Psychotext
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I appear to have opened Planet F1 in my browser. Strange, I could have sworn I clicked NeoGAF.
well of course, because he is super involved, talks a lot to his engineers and gives good feedback, allowing them to setup the car more to his liking, whereas plenty other drivers go sulking in their bus when something doesn't go their way
On that note, has there been any more discussion on whether the diffuser ban will greatly affect either RBR driver's performance? I think the theory was that Mark was more used to "traditional" technologies and additions while Vettel could more easily acclimatise to them.
:lol
Myoclonic Jerk
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until Kimi comes back.. *head-bangs*
Apart from Button, I agree with this.
It would be a crime if he doesnt get at least one more before he retires
mclaren777
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I think 2007 proved that Hamilton is the better driver between those two.
To play the devil's advocate, they finished on equal points.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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I've read somewhere today (can't recall where) that he'll be Force India's third driver.
This!
brotkasten
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Who says Webber is as good as Hamilton/Alonso/Button?
I'm gonna hide now, okay?
Foliorum Viridum
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Yeah you're right, to be fair.
He's clearly better.
He's clearly better.
Just like his inspiring final season!
I think 2007 proved a few things, but that Hamilton is definitively better than Alonso is not one of them. He was slightly better that year, in that car. But Button was better than Hamilton this year, does that mean you think Button is better than Alonso?
RomanticHeroX
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Alonso and Hamilton were both very close in 2007, but I'd argue that Hamilton hasn't had a year as good since, while Alonso is still getting better.
brotkasten
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Hamilton is still better than JV.
RomanticHeroX
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Hamilton and Villeneuve both had massively impressive debut years, narrowly missing out on the championship only to win it the next year. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
brotkasten
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Imagine Massa won the WDC in 2008. :lol
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