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[AcridMeat]

Don't mind him, he just needs his sedatives.

edit: I found this incredibly amusing. The ten funniest things Kimi Raikkonen said in his NASCAR debut.

 

[Shaneus]

Don't mind him, he just needs his sedatives.

edit: I found this incredibly amusing. The ten funniest things Kimi Raikkonen said in his NASCAR debut.

I *loved* his post race and trackside interviews when he was in F1.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Goddamn that was a race. Great overtakes, close calls, various contenders for the win throughout and some brilliant crashes.

It's frustrating that the last ten or so laps which would've surely seen Alonso and Button attacking Vettel were stole from us, but hey, the crash that caused it was spectacular, at least.

Allowing tyres to be changed on the grid is fucking stupid, though. The restart would've been great had they all been on the same tyres and we had to see Vettel defend really hard. Part of me thinks he still would've managed it, but now we'll never know!

Monaco is usually a highlight of the season and this was no different.

 

[Orgun]

Goddamn that was a race. Great overtakes, close calls, various contenders for the win throughout and some brilliant crashes.

It's frustrating that the last ten or so laps which would've surely seen Alonso and Button attacking Vettel were stole from us, but hey, the crash that caused it was spectacular, at least.

Allowing tyres to be changed on the grid is fucking stupid, though. The restart would've been great had they all been on the same tyres and we had to see Vettel defend really hard. Part of me thinks he still would've managed it, but now we'll never know!

Monaco is usually a highlight of the season and this was no different.

See I usually feel that Monaco is a low point unless you're there to enjoy the city. This year was different, there was actually some racing

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

This year was definitely better than others with the overtaking, but there's always great crashes/racing incidents and I just love watching them fly through the track.

To be fair, if it wasn't for Hamilton this year wouldn't've been that eventful at all though, haha. He made a few wrong choices but it entertained me, at least.

 

[Scipius]

Holy shit, have you guys seen the Autosport forums today? It's literally just full of anti-Hamilton posts & threads.

They are always full of Hamilton-related discussions; with Lewis' antics in this race, he's thoroughly deserved a grilling.

Allowing tyres to be changed on the grid is fucking stupid, though.

No, it's not. It's the only sensible thing to do. People may feel robbed, but the real question is why the race was restarted in the first place.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

I don't see why they don't just cover the tyres to keep them warm that close to the end.

I'll always take a restart over ending under a red flag. At least this way we got the crash on T1 and Webber/Kobayashi scrapping. It was still quite an exciting end to the race because of that.

 

[Scipius]

I don't see why they don't just cover the tyres to keep them warm that close to the end.

It has nothing to do with heat or performance; they have to allow teams to change tyres because a race may have been red flagged due to sudden heavy rain. You can't then restart with tyres unsuited to the conditions.

 

[DrM]

Our 'magnificent' commentator (check my previous posts in this threat about him) missed tyre replacement on the grid and then he told us, that tyres 'reincarnated during this 20 minute rest and they are even faster than before'. Damn, even Jesus Christ is rookie if you compare him with Pirelli tyre! Yeah, and that red line appeared as magical as Virgin Mary in Lourdes...

 

[S. L.]

When the race is redflagged they also aren't allowed to go into the pits, and the reason for the redflag might be a big accident where half the field got a potential puncture from debris or whatever - allowing to change tyres is pretty sensible.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Stop being logical, I wanted a good scrap and I'm going to continue to be outraged!

-_-

 

[Nolan.]

I don't envy the people who's job it is at the teams to check over the rules, they must be saints.

 

[Chris R]

Great race, but for fucks sake get the lapped cars out of the way during the SCs. Also did great in the fantasy league

Also, reading this thread after watching the race on DVR is quite fun (and watching people hate on different drivers for various things).

Sucks that I won't be at Canada, but it didn't pan out this year Canada and Austin next year though, they should be locks!

 

[itxaka]

I love Hamilton.

Not him as a person but as a driver as he is one of the most aggresive ones. And that means that he will always try to get more and more and overtake and such. Reminds me of Alonso 3/5 years ago. He never settle and did some incredibly maneuvers to overtake other drivers.

And I don't like Vettel. Not as a driver but as a monopolistic winner. Goddammit Vettel, lose sometimes so we can have a nice cup instead of you fucking destroying the rest of the drivers and racing on your own :_(

F1 is so good when you don't have a specific driver to win. You enjoy everything!

 

[brotkasten]

I'll watch this race again with a friend. He's absolutely not into F1, but if this race can't convince him, I don't know what else could.

 

[S. L.]

Great race, but for fucks sake get the lapped cars out of the way during the SCs.

dunno, i like it better this way. before they 'sorted' the cars back into their actual order, but with half the grid pitting it was a mess and took forever to sort everything out - leading to endless amounts of SC laps. now the just can get on with it once the track is cleared

 

[Psychotext]

Safer this way too. You don't have backmarkers tearing around the track to join the back of the queue.

 

[Diablohead]

Oh man I just watched the race on iplayer as I missed it yesterday and vittel was lucky to keep first because of the red flag his tires were at the point of exploding due to wear, ham get's his rear damaged but button takes a good spot, a shame the race was flagged right at the end.

*edit* what they are resuming race? maybe it's not all over yet... (not going to read this thread until then )

 

[max-pain]

Holy shit, have you guys seen the Autosport forums today? It's literally just full of anti-Hamilton posts & threads.

"if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver"

Ayrton Senna


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

 

[moojito]

I think it would be very easy to use that quote to excuse going for an overtake that was never on.

 

[brotkasten]

"if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver"

Ayrton Senna


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

Like I said, Hamilton thinks he's Senna.

 

[deim0s]

"if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver"

Ayrton Senna


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko94oniszuA

Hamilton cannot do what Senna did.

 

[33-Hit-Combo]

Like I said, Hamilton thinks he's Senna.

Because he's aggressive and stands out as a result? I suppose that driving style is exclusive to Senna.

 

[anonnumber6]

Because he's aggressive and stands out as a result? I suppose that driving style is exclusive to Senna.

However when Schumacher does it everyone is in an outrage.

 

[33-Hit-Combo]

However when Schumacher does it everyone is in an outrage.

You should have seen my housemates yesterday, raging up the wall at Hamilton's moves. I haven't noticed people being biased when it comes to questionable behaviours though. Although they now claim it wasn't as one-sided after seeing his cockpit replay.

 

[max-pain]

Hamilton cannot do what Senna did.

At least He tried.

 

[Ark]

You should have seen my housemates yesterday, raging up the wall at Hamilton's moves. I haven't noticed people being biased when it comes to questionable behaviours though. Although they now claim it wasn't as one-sided after seeing his cockpit replay.

From the cockpit replay, you can see he was just unlucky that Massa went deep and had to turn in early.

 

[S. L.]

boils down to:
drive aggressive & bring results = fine
drive aggressive & no results = fail and hate

 

[Psychotext]

"if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver"

Ayrton Senna

Senna was a dick at times too. Borderline cheat on other occasions. Legend he may have been, but that doesn't always make him right.

That aside, Hamilton doesn't have Senna's skill. Has most of his aggression though.

 

[avaya]

Hamilton cannot do what Senna did.

No I think he's got it in him to take out another driver if he can win a WC.

 

[operon]

No I think he's got it in him to take out another driver if he can win a WC.

Course he has, most of them do, sure we all felt sorry for hill, then eddie revealed that when hill won that race with ralf behind him in the wet(i think) he had told them team he would take out ralf if he passed him.

 

[avaya]

Course he has, most of them do, sure we all felt sorry for hill, then eddie revealed that when hill won that race with ralf behind him in the wet(i think) he had told them team he would take out ralf if he passed him.

I prefer they all be open about it. I really don't like the avoidable incident penalty thing. Really all escalated with Montoya back in 2002 and it's been taken to the nth degree. Really horrible rules.

 

[brotkasten]

Because he's aggressive and stands out as a result? I suppose that driving style is exclusive to Senna.

If he continues to drive like that, he won't stand out. He will stand next to the track, without any results, watching others finish the race. Kobayashi can be "overly optimistic" at times, but how many times did he take other drivers out, while he tried to overtake them?

From the cockpit replay, you can see he was just unlucky that Massa went deep and had to turn in early.

Yeah, I think we all here were a bit surprised that Massa didn't drive straight into the barrier.

 

[Ark]

Yeah, I think we all here were a bit surprised that Massa didn't drive straight into the barrier.

You'd have to be blind to not see that Massa turned in early, if he didn't he would have hit Webber's car even earlier.

 

[operon]

I prefer they all be open about it. I really don't like the avoidable incident penalty thing. Really all escalated with Montoya back in 2002 and it's been taken to the nth degree. Really horrible rules.

Yup, I agree with you, there listening too much to the likes of Barrichello

 

[Massa]

No I think he's got it in him to take out another driver if he can win a WC.

Man, I really hate when that story gets brought up without all the facts behind that race (which go back to the year before). Meh, pet peeve of mine.

Hamilton doesn't even begin to compare to Senna. Hamilton's an incredibly talented, fast driver with the mind of 13 year old boy. His actions this past weekend and interview post-race were disgraceful.

 

[brotkasten]

You'd have to be blind to not see that Massa turned in early, if he didn't he would have hit Webber's car even earlier.

Early turn or not, it wasn't possible to overtake in that situation.

Man, I really hate when that story gets brought up without all the facts behind that race (which go back to the year before). Meh, pet peeve of mine.

Hamilton doesn't even begin to compare to Senna. Hamilton's an incredibly talented, fast driver with the mind of 13 year old boy. His actions this past weekend and interview post-race were disgraceful.

Of course you'd say that, Felipe. You should concentrate on finishing a race, you know?

 

[Ark]

Early turn or not, it wasn't possible to overtake in that situation.

There was every opportunity to over take in that position. I don't want to watch a sport where a sportsman backs out of a challenge.

It would be like watching a Football/Soccer game where a player backs out of a game-saving tackle because he might slip.

 

[Massa]

Early turn or not, it wasn't possible to overtake in that situation.


Of course you'd say that, Felipe. You should concentrate on finishing a race, you know?

Massa is my last name.

Now that you know that maybe you can think of a rational argument next time you're replying to a post of mine. Otherwise, please don't bother!

 

[Ark]

Massa is my last name.

Can I have your seat at Ferrari next year please?

Hehe

 

[33-Hit-Combo]

If he continues to drive like that, he won't stand out. He will stand next to the track, without any results, watching others finish the race. Kobayashi can be "overly optimistic" at times, but how many times did he take other drivers out, while he tried to overtake them?

Yeah, but he's not always colliding with people. Monaco is a lot tighter, overtaking is known to be rare.

EDIT: I'm not saying he shouldn't be criticised, however in this case I think it's a bit too much.

 

[Massa]

Can I have your seat at Ferrari next year please?

Hehe

If you bring a rich enough sponsor, sure. That's how they got Kimi.

 

[avaya]

Man, I really hate when that story gets brought up without all the facts behind that race (which go back to the year before). Meh, pet peeve of minel.

Fact: Senna made a premediated move to have Prost off at T1. Fact.

Whatever excuse you want for it, based on year before or the movement of the pole spot doesn't matter.

Senna was a prime dickhead. Everyone learnt from this. Schumacher was and still is one (love it!) and so are 99% of the drivers since even if they won't admit it.

 

[Dead Man]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91893

Pirelli has called for a change to the red flag rules in Formula 1 to prevent teams from changing tyres if a race is stopped - after feeling fans were robbed of a great finish to the Monaco Grand Prix.

...

Pirelli director of motorsport Paul Hembery thinks that the freedom to change tyres robbed fans of an entertaining finish to the race - and believes the rules should be tweaked to prevent teams from switching rubber if there is a late red flag and restart.

"I can understand there is a safety consideration but I am thinking about it more from a fans' perspective to be honest," Hembery told AUTOSPORT.

"I've had a lot of people shout at me from the boats around the harbour and say, why were they allowed to change? It took away something from the race - and the big question was could they have lasted? That is what we were all asking with six laps to go and that was going to be the excitement: would Sebastian hit the [tyre
degradation] cliff?"

He added: "We don't really understand the rule, and maybe we need to ask the teams why they think they should be allowed to change tyres.

"The race distance was still the race distance, it wasn't extended. The cars had stopped and there had been a safety car anyway. I don't really understand why they are allowed to change tyres, but maybe I am missing something."

...

"I think it was a bit of a shame with the red flag of course, because if they hadn't changed the tyres, then they would have had to fight to the end as they were all on different strategies, and the tyre wear and life was very different.

"It is such a shame we were not able to see the finale of the strategy game that had been played."

Yeah, I think you may have missed something there, you dolt. As S.L. said, it is the only sensible thing to do for red flags which are only thrown for massive accidents and weather.

 

[Massa]

Fact: Senna made a premediated move to have Prost off at T1. Fact.

Whatever excuse you want for it, based on year before or the movement of the pole spot doesn't matter.

Senna was a prime dickhead. Everyone learnt from this. Schumacher was and still is one (love it!) and so are 99% of the drivers since even if they won't admit it.

I don't dispute those facts at all. It's just that I think people should keep in mind all the facts (like Balestre's actions in 1989 and 1990, Prost's in 1989) when talking about that story.

I also think saying 99% of the drivers are dickheads is an over simplification. Schummy and Senna's personalities are nothing alike imo.

 

[f0rk]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91893


Yeah, I think you may have missed something there, you dolt. As S.L. said, it is the only sensible thing to do for red flags which are only thrown for massive accidents and weather.

You could write that into the rules though surely? If it's because of rain or one person has punctures everyone can change tyres.

 

[S. L.]

You could write that into the rules though surely? If it's because of rain or one person has punctures everyone can change tyres.

but that's the thing with specific rules, there are so many ways to fuck with them.
deliberately driving over debris, doing burnouts to tear your tyre off, dunno whatever they can come up with.
KISS is what you need here.
either everybody can change tyres or nobody can, everything else will just be endless fuckery, whine and drama

 

[Nolan.]

Man, I really hate when that story gets brought up without all the facts behind that race (which go back to the year before). Meh, pet peeve of mine.

Hamilton doesn't even begin to compare to Senna. Hamilton's an incredibly talented, fast driver with the mind of 13 year old boy. His actions this past weekend and interview post-race were disgraceful.

I know you probably meant that in a much more derogatory nature than I probably read it, but it's pretty much spot on. I don't agree with his assessment of things post race, and I really do think he needs to grow up in that regard. However I don't really agree with the people that are bashing him for trying to create and make the best out of the chances he sees. Alonso himself even said that with Vettel he was planning on passing him and 'if we crash we crash'. There were so many points in that Monaco race that I wished Button would just make a move (he gets caught napping so many times it's ridiculous) and as much as I like Button if more drivers drove like him waiting for mistakes from the drivers in front instead of pressing well...I guess that would be fine since we'd all be at peace knowing that they're nice 'respectful' drivers...

 

[S. L.]

Hammy is very sorry on twitter now

 

[Nolan.]

Bless, he really is just a kid