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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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Edmond Dantès
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Shall be very fun to watch.a176 said:so apparently the entirety of the two back straights on montreal will be drs-enabled
Edmond Dantès
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Diablohead
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I am all for hamiltons aggression but twice he did the same overtake and hit another car, there is a point where you need to stop your blood boiling out there, though to be fair form his angle in a replay he did look like he might have had it the second time, on the hairpin however that was destruction derby tactics.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...d-bridges-with-apologies-for-monaco-outburst/
Hamilton apologizes (via twitter), good for him.
Hamilton apologizes (via twitter), good for him.
gutterboy44
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Wow, what a race. Best Monaco GP in ages. I am so fucking pumped for Montreal. My buddies and I are heading up the Thursday before. It will be my fifth year going. It is always my favorite vacation each year. Awesome race in an awesome city.
About Hamilton. I can't believe he is winging about his treatment. This coming from a driver in one of the most privileged sports in the world who has had arguably the most privileged build up and life leading into the sport with a seat virtually reserved for him since he was a child at the top team with the personal blessing of the team manager. How much more pampered treatment could he possibly want? Moreover, every great driver I have watched has earned his keep in a lower tier team before getting a shot with the likes of McLaren or Ferrari. Hamilton got that drive straight away, this being one of my major reasons I don't regard him very highly yet. Talented, undoubtedly. But he still has a lot to prove in my books.
You know why Senna could be aggressive and get away with it? Because other drivers respected him. He earned that respect season after season, pole after pole. Hamilton has shown he will gladly compare himself to Senna when things are going well but will whine like the child he is when other drivers don't pull over for this "passing phenom" on the track. IMO he should have had three drive through penalties or an even larger penalty.
I hated this shit when Schumacher did it, Montoya, etc. Great passing isn't just sticking your nose in and then crying when it goes wrong. Grow the fuck up you over protected child. Nice use of the race card too. Very classy.
About Hamilton. I can't believe he is winging about his treatment. This coming from a driver in one of the most privileged sports in the world who has had arguably the most privileged build up and life leading into the sport with a seat virtually reserved for him since he was a child at the top team with the personal blessing of the team manager. How much more pampered treatment could he possibly want? Moreover, every great driver I have watched has earned his keep in a lower tier team before getting a shot with the likes of McLaren or Ferrari. Hamilton got that drive straight away, this being one of my major reasons I don't regard him very highly yet. Talented, undoubtedly. But he still has a lot to prove in my books.
You know why Senna could be aggressive and get away with it? Because other drivers respected him. He earned that respect season after season, pole after pole. Hamilton has shown he will gladly compare himself to Senna when things are going well but will whine like the child he is when other drivers don't pull over for this "passing phenom" on the track. IMO he should have had three drive through penalties or an even larger penalty.
I hated this shit when Schumacher did it, Montoya, etc. Great passing isn't just sticking your nose in and then crying when it goes wrong. Grow the fuck up you over protected child. Nice use of the race card too. Very classy.
gutterboy44
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Ark said:
1998 signed into McLaren driver program. 2007, first year in F1, he raced for McLaren. What am I missing? When was Hamilton driving for Sauber or Williams? He has been in the McLaren family since he was about 13.
Out of context? Him saying it then back pedaling desperately as it blew up in his face. Yep, way out. Hamilton is as cheeky as an undertaker. If it was coming from Eddie Irvine I could have believed it was meant initially as a joke.
Some additional "reading up" for you too "Ron Dennis actually called him in 1998 after Hamilton won an additional Super One series and his second British championship.[15] Dennis delivered on his promise and signed Hamilton to the McLaren driver development program. This contract included an option of a future F1 seat, which would eventually make Hamilton the youngest ever driver to secure a contract which later resulted in an F1 drive."
gutterboy44 said:
Does a driver have to drive for a lower team to be a good driver? You seem to be forgetting that Hamilton had to fight his way up all the way from karting. In GP2, he only had one pole position, how is that pampered treatment?
In 2007 he was partnered with Alonso, a two-times consecutive world champion and ended the season on equal points and behind Raikkonen by one point.
Sure he was Dennis' love child, but that's just how things go.
You don't have to drive a Ford Focus to justify a purchase of a Ferrari 458.
It was a reference to Ali G, it was hardly as if he was saying he felt like he was being hunted down.
Salacious Crumb
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gutterboy44 said:
Q: why are the stewards targeting you?
A: maybe it's because I'm black *little chuckle* that's what Ali G says. I dunno.
The rest of his answers deserve to be criticized, but that was clearly a joke.
gutterboy44
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Ark said:
Saying something and diffusing it as a joke is back pedaling for a dumb comment 101. It is stupid to even joke about it in my opinion.
Ark said:
Other than drivers who are cash cows, virtually every F1 driver has earned his keep in the lower series, especially GP2. The grid(past and present) is littered with GP2 champions and runner ups. That doesn't really constitute fighting your way for the top seat at the top team your first year in the sport. That is in a sense the definition of "privileged" Earn some respect on the track, then you can bitch and moan a little more. I just think the endless fellating of Hamilton is premature. He certainly has everything put in front of him to be the next greatest but I still don't see it panning out any time soon.
gutterboy44
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Tworak said:
I am on the anti "All hail Hamilton" train. Like I said, talented, with out a doubt but people, including Lewis are putting the horse before the cart with his legacy and greatness.
gutterboy44 said:
So because McLaren thought he was talented enough to jump straight into their spare seat, he doesn't have any respect, or lacks talent?
This is a guy, who has either equaled or beat two reigning world champions in the same equipment, whilst having won his own championship. Does that not hold any respect just because he was put into a top team? In 2009 McLaren had a complete dog of a car, yet he managed to pull out some good drives that season.
Does a footballer who jumps straight into playing for Man Utd deserve no respect because he hasn't played in the Championship? Or League One?
gutterboy44 said:
Just to clarify something..I'm not on a Hamilton fanboy train, I'm simply disagreeing with your opinion.
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Ark said:
Lets not forget that Hamilton threw away the championship in his rookie year with the best car on the grid due to costly mistakes, especially the unneeded arrogant pass around Alonso at Brazil where he damaged his car. Hamilton also was unable to maintain a professional relationship with his team mate in his first year (Alonso is equally at fault for this too). Alonso almost won the championship last year in a "dog of a car".
You put Hamilton in a Williams his first two years of his career, and his resume would be looking much different than it does now. He has one championship but was literally hailed as the next Senna since 2007. Villinueve, Hill, Button, Raikkonen all have one title to their name but I would never hail them as F1 greats, especially before they even had their first title in the bag! As much as I love the drunken Finn, Kimi was never legacy material...other than his hilarious comments.
gutterboy44 said:
At least we can agree on something
gutterboy44 said:
The Ferrari last year was a race winner from Canada onwards, I don't see how that can be called a Dog of a car. Especially when he finished on the podium almost every race from Hockenheim onwards.
It's very easy to put the finger on Hamilton for the break down of McLaren in 2007, but at the end of the day, both Alonso & Hamilton had a terribly unprofessional relationship. Remembering that Alonso sat in the pits to hold up Hamilton during the Hungarian GP (Feel free to correct me on this) as well as giving away Spy Gate.
anonnumber6
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Because Hamilton didn't let Alonso in front of him during the fuel burning phase of Q3. It was Hamilton's father who went to the FIA, not McLaren who had nothing to gain by doing so. Then the FIA felt the need to impose a grid penalty for something that was an internal problem at McLaren. That weekend was a complete joke.Ark said:At least we can agree on something
The Ferrari last year was a race winner from Canada onwards, I don't see how that can be called a Dog of a car. Especially when he finished on the podium almost every race from Hockenheim onwards.
It's very easy to put the finger on Hamilton for the break down of McLaren in 2007, but at the end of the day, both Alonso & Hamilton had a terribly unprofessional relationship. Remembering that Alonso sat in the pits to hold up Hamilton during the Hungarian GP (Feel free to correct me on this) as well as giving away Spy Gate.
gutterboy44
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Ark said:At least we can agree on something
The Ferrari last year was a race winner from Canada onwards, I don't see how that can be called a Dog of a car. Especially when he finished on the podium almost every race from Hockenheim onwards.
It's very easy to put the finger on Hamilton for the break down of McLaren in 2007, but at the end of the day, both Alonso & Hamilton had a terribly unprofessional relationship. Remembering that Alonso sat in the pits to hold up Hamilton during the Hungarian GP (Feel free to correct me on this) as well as giving away Spy Gate.
Looking at how poor Massa still was when Alonso started winning or getting on the podium, the performance of last year's Ferrari late in the season was more of a driver revelation than a car upgrade. Alonso drove the wheels off it late in the season. (I think Alonso is a prick btw)
If Hamilton can bag another two championships in the next few seasons I will be the first one in line to completely redact my statements. From the looks of it, Vettel might be the one checking all the record books that everyone had Hamilton as a shoe in to be doing four years ago.
gutterboy44
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anonnumber6 said:
But that weekend began the Button legacy! Haha. Glad he got one championship though, at least it caused some hesitancy in the British media. They didn't know what driver to jerk off for a little while there.
gutterboy44
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John_B said:
The argument that football and formula one are even remotely similar? That is the shit argument.
gutterboy44
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Ark said:
I think Silverstone onward is going to shake up the season. More upgrades and more importantly, off throttle exhaust rules changes.
gutterboy44 said:
The race for the championship could well be over by then unfortunately.
if Vettel wins the in Canada & Valencia (latter being very likely), then I reckon McLaren & Ferrari will virtually concede the title to Vettel/RBR to make another bash at it next year.
True, but they have been slipping further and further back all season.S. L. said:
gutterboy44
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I think the unreliable KERS in the Red Bull's is going to end up costing them more than a few tenths a lap. Overheating or full drive train lock up is going to happen. Mark Webber has already suffered from it. A DNF here and there and the season can quickly change. It doesn't seem as hopeless as the Brawn year....not yet at least.
gutterboy44
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Leunam said:
Massa and Perez. My vote.
avaya said:
I agree. Reliable KERS + less downforce and DRS with a higher overall top-end may spell doom for Red Bull. It is going to be bittersweet watching the Canadian GP on TV this year and not in person. Being able to follow the 24 hrs of Le Mans live will be very nice though
Finally got around to watching the Monaco GP and it is such a shame that we didn't get to see the top 3 runners battling within a second for the rest of the race. That had the potential to be so good. Hamilton was mad. That was a great GP and definitely the best Monaco race I have seen since starting to watch F1 in 2008. The first couple of laps with all the cars bunched up are a beautiful site.
I am enjoying this season more than last year so far. When you don't have a particular favorite team or driver and just enjoy the spectacle, this season has been really great. Sure I would like to see more of a fight to the end like the spectacular finish last year but we aren't going to get that every year. If Red Bull was just a little bit closer to Ferrari and McLaren, this season could be something really special. It looks bleak now for a close championship race but it is still early.
RibbedHero
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13608826.stm
Wow this is absolute bullshit, Bahrain should be cut off the calendar. Cancelling the Indian GP? Rescheduling other races? Ecclestone is always thinking with his fucking wallet and doesn't seem to care about the fans in the least.
Edmond Dantès
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You know Bernie.megateto said:
RomanticHeroX
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I think it'll be no more or less interesting than every other Tilke track. I also think it still will do nothing for F1 in America and soon Texas will have a world class circuit sitting unused.
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