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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Dead Man

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MightGoThere said:
Going to my first GP this weekend, is there something that's good to know beforehand or something I need to bring besides maybe earplugs for the sound? Is it even that loud from the stands?

Basically I don't really know what to expect. =)
Sweet, you'll have a blast. And yeah, it is pretty bloody loud.
 
So far the one GP I've been to was the 2005 Canadian, when they were still running V10s at 19k RPM. I didn't wear any kind of ear protection all weekend and very well could've done damage to my hearing, but I still think it's worth it. There's just no way to adequately describe the sound those cars make.
 
Webber's second BBC column is up. Talks about team orders and such.

I'm really enjoying it.

Welcome to the second of my columns for the BBC Sport website, where I will be discussing Formula 1 and other issues across the world of sport.

I'm not going to get any prizes for guessing what you all want to read about this week, am I? My team's decision to ask me not to try to pass Sebastian Vettel in the other Red Bull in the last four of five laps of the British Grand Prix.

I chose to race as hard and as fair as I thought was possible, trying my best to beat Seb. I got pretty close a couple of times but couldn't quite pull it off.

It was obviously a difficult situation, but I still feel comfortable about what I did.

In that situation, you are hit by conflicting emotions. You want to improve your position irrespective of who it is in front of you - especially when it is someone at Sebastian's level, whom you have to work pretty hard to get back on to.

To manage it but then be told to hold position is something I wasn't prepared to follow at the time. If I'd backed off and held the gap at three seconds, as I was asked to do, it would have been much more difficult for me to sleep after the race.

At the same time, I knew I was going against the team's wishes.

Normally, if you are racing and trying to gain a position, you would imagine everyone would be happy with that.

They weren't, obviously - not because they didn't want me to finish second; they just didn't want us to have contact.

From a team's perspective, it is obviously their worst nightmare.

It's a sensational problem having two competitive drivers but after so many people have put in so much effort in the build-up, they don't want to have one or both cars out of the race. That's where they're coming from.

Having said that, if they were worried about the team losing points, one option would have been for us to swap positions, given that I was a fair bit faster at that stage of the race and was putting a lot of pressure on.

But I'm not a massive fan of that and I know Red Bull Racing isn't either. To my way of thinking, the ball's as much in Seb's court as it is in mine in such situations.

We should be free to race but to keep the team's best interests in the back of our minds, which I'm sure would have been the case anyway.

What made it difficult for me to accept was that it happened so close to the end of the race.

Over the years in F1, we have seen a number of situations when a team has asked one driver to let another by to ensure both their strategies work, for example.

Earlier in the race, there is still plenty to go on, and you are helping a guy who at that point of the race is quicker because of strategy or whatever.

But when you are coming to the line and you've only got five laps to go, there is no more strategy to be played out. It's just a straight fight.

In that case, any driver is going to be a little bit less inclined to accept a request like that, because they know that is what the result is going to be.

Christian [Horner, Red Bull's team principal] and I had a chat about the situation after the race. We both put our cases forward and I think we came away seeing it from both perspectives.

I'm sure you'll be wondering if it will make any difference to my decision about what I do in 2012, whether I carry on racing with Red Bull or not.

The team and I have time to make that decision. We're talking about continuing at the moment and it's positive, and what happened on Sunday does not turn my world upside down.

Putting that aside, it was a positive weekend for me and that gives me a lot of optimism about the rest of the season.

The trend has definitely been going the right way for me in terms of performance over the past few races and I'm getting much more out of the car on Sundays.

Earlier in the year that, combined with some reliability issues, wasn't the case. My engineers were very pleased with that - we have definitely made a step forward.
 

TylerD

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Dead Man said:
As a spectacle of petroleum driven fury, few things can compete with NASCAR. Pity the racing is more of a cynical marketing exercise than anything else.
43 850 hp cars charging around an oval at avg speeds over 150 mph sometimes less than a foot apart or touching is very impressive to witness firsthand. NASCAR is a fantastic spectator sport because you can get seats where you can see the whole track and when there is a green flag the entire stadium will shake from the power.

The first track shown in that video was Bristol, Tennessee. 160,000 people around a 1/2 mile track. Seeing a race there is on my bucket list for sure.

I still prefer the spectacle and tech of F1 but a NASCAR race is one hell of a good time.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
MightGoThere said:
Think it's called T4, at the end of the start/finish(main?) straight, close to the first corner.



This would be more likely.
It would be hilarious if the TV director cuts to a crowd shot with a GAF flag waving proudly alongside the usual Ferrari, McLaren, country flags etc.
 

Dead Man

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TylerD said:
43 850 hp cars charging around an oval at avg speeds over 150 mph sometimes less than a foot apart or touching is very impressive to witness firsthand. NASCAR is a fantastic spectator sport because you can get seats where you can see the whole track and when there is a green flag the entire stadium will shake from the power.

The first track shown in that video was Bristol, Tennessee. 160,000 people around a 1/2 mile track. Seeing a race there is on my bucket list for sure.

I still prefer the spectacle and tech of F1 but a NASCAR race is one hell of a good time.
For sure, I was mainly referring to things like the competition yellows, the ridiculous situation with the car branding, things like that.
 

TylerD

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Dead Man said:
For sure, I was mainly referring to things like the competition yellows, the ridiculous situation with the car branding, things like that.

I was quoting because I agree. Competition cautions and all the sponsorship, "Well the M&M, Snickers, Interstate Batteries, Pedigree, NOS Energy, Toyota ran really good today" crap can go away and add another half dozen road races while they are at it.
 

Dead Man

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TylerD said:
I was quoting because I agree. Competition cautions and all the sponsorship, "Well the M&M, Snickers, Interstate Batteries, Toyota ran really good today" crap can go away and add another half dozen road races while their at it.
Oh, sorry, I misunderstood!! All good then.
 

ANDY_098

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Good article on Autosport for anyone who hasn't read it already, lots of stats about overtaking this season. 623 so far this season!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93181

Edit: Also, Adrian Sutil needs more practice!

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Crashed on the Nordschleife.
 

navanman

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Sounds like the BBC rumour of dropping F1 coverage is picking up steam. Unfortunately it looks like this year could be the last on the BBC with them paying a termination fee.

Channel 4 most likely to pick it up then. Fuck the Tories for their beeb budget cutbacks.
 

kharma45

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navanman said:
Sounds like the BBC rumour of dropping F1 coverage is picking up steam. Unfortunately it looks like this year could be the last on the BBC with them paying a termination fee.

Channel 4 most likely to pick it up then. Fuck the Tories for their beeb budget cutbacks.
Bernie said this though

"However, Ecclestone has told Pitpass' business editor Christian Sylt, "I can't see how the BBC could cancel [its contract early]. We could probably sue them."

http://www.pitpass.com/44220-Channel-5-on-pole-position-to-pick-up-F1-from-BBC
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
Costs BBC £45 million a year and then yearly costs of 8 million on top of this.
Supposedly BBC looking at paying 50 million termination fee to end contract early (2 years).

The broadcasting cost is fucking ridiculous!
 

Ark

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What's going to happen to DC, EJ, Humphrey's & Brundle?

Presumably Brundle will jump ship again as always, DC will probably follow. I'll probably never watch the pre and/or post race show if the dynamic trio aren't there anymore; and I've been watching since the ITV days of a 30-minute pre-show.
 
Ark said:
What's going to happen to DC, EJ, Humphrey's & Brundle?

Presumably Brundle will jump ship again as always, DC will probably follow. I'll probably never watch the pre and/or post race show if the dynamic trio aren't there anymore; and I've been watching since the ITV days of a 30-minute pre-show.
They'd try to imitate what the BBC did, fail, and then have an advert every 7 seconds so you miss every overtake.

If it's anything like ITV, anyway.
 

f0rk

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kharma45 said:
Oh right, getcha now.

Could we not just scrap BBC 3 or something?

They shouldn't need to scrap shit, just have the Government stop bowing to the demands of these cunts at News Corp and let the BBC have the budget it deserves.
 

Ark

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f0rk said:
They shouldn't need to scrap shit, just have the Government stop bowing to the demands of these cunts at News Corp and let the BBC have the budget it deserves.

Or, you know...FOM could stop charging extortionate prices for the broadcasting rights to F1.
 
kharma45 said:
Great logic, especially when BBC4's viewing figures pale in comparison to F1's.
BBC 4 does have a lot of great shows and is an important part of the PSB remit. It's obvious why they'd keep that over F1, even with the popularity of F1 on the BBC.

/media student.
 

Burai

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kharma45 said:
Great logic, especially when BBC4's viewing figures pale in comparison to F1's.

The BBC is a public service broadcaster and viewing figures aren't the be-all and end-all of everything.

They are obliged to show a certain amount of documentary, arts and culture programming and to kill off BBC4 would mean trying to re-juggle BBC2 around to fit all of that in.

Sports are far easier to kill because the BBC already shows far more sport than the minimum dictated by it's remit.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Foliorum Viridum said:
BBC 4 does have a lot of great shows and is an important part of the PSB remit. It's obvious why they'd keep that over F1, even with the popularity of F1 on the BBC.

/media student.
True.

They should just get rid of the chavtastic BBC3.
 

navanman

Crown Prince of Custom Firmware
The BBC show fuck all sports if you take F1 away besides the one off sporting events events like World Cup and Olympics.

Premiership highlights, very limited MotoGP coverage and what else?
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
navanman said:
The BBC show fuck all sports if you take F1 away besides the one off sporting events events like World Cup and Olympics.

Premiership highlights, very limited MotoGP coverage and what else?
Six Nations Rugby.
 
They do great coverage of the snooker. Yeah, I know how lame that sounds, but fuck you because I love watching snooker like a grandfather and I don't care what you think about that!
 

kharma45

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Edmond Dantès said:
True.

They should just get rid of the chavtastic BBC3.

Could they even merge the two somehow?

Although BBC 3 is, at least in my eyes, quite down-market and BBC 4 the opposite, a merging and rebranding may work.
 

Dead Man

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S. L. said:
bonus question is up btw

edit: none of the answers seem correct to me??
Just came to post that, I thought maybe I was an idiot. First two have to be wrong, Fangio did not win 5 times in a row, and Alonso was not the champion when he won there.
 

S. L.

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Dead Man said:
Just came to post that, I thought maybe I was an idiot. First two have to be wrong, Fangio did not win 5 times in a row, and Alonso was not the champion when he won there.
i think it is supposed to be the fourth option, but the wording is really awkward.
 

Dead Man

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S. L. said:
i think it is supposed to be the fourth option, but the wording is really awkward.
Yeah, maybe. The only understanding I can get is that he is the last European driver to win there, but he was not world champion that year (2007)
 

Lach

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Dead Man said:
Yeah, maybe. The only understanding I can get is that he is the last European driver to win there, but he was not world champion that year (2007)

I think what it's ment to mean is, the last european driver who won Nürnburgring and became Champion in the same year.

[edit]or maybe it's answer two and the dutch sportsman became world champion in something other than F1?
 

Dead Man

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Lach said:
I think what it's ment to mean is, the last european driver who won Nürnburgring and became Champion in the same year.
Ah, gotcha. Yeah, that is probably what they mean. What terrible wording.
 

John_B

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Nürburgring 2009 : Webber
Nürburgring 2007 : Alonso
Nürburgring 2006 : Schumacher
Nürburgring 2005 : Alonso

Alonso won his championship in 2005 and not 2007. So the answer is probably the right one, but just not worded correctly.

Edit. I retract that statement - Knetemann
 
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