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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Ark said:
Let's not forget that his only benchmark was the brilliantly spectacular Sebastien Bourdais..

Who was a dominant 4-time Indycar champion, F3 and F3000 champion. There was a lot to expect from him in F1 but Vettel destroyed him.
 

duckroll

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Ark said:
Let's not forget that his only benchmark was the brilliantly spectacular Sebastien Bourdais..

Really? He won Monza 2008 in the Toro Rosso. That clearly proves that he is every bit as important as the car.
 

DrM

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Awesome BBC documentary 'Grand Prix - The Killer Years' is now on Youtube. Must watch for every true F1 fan - they discuss era from 60s to 70s, when F1 took too many lives. Warning: Some scenes are quite hard to watch.
 

AcridMeat

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DrM said:
Awesome BBC documentary 'Grand Prix - The Killer Years' is now on Youtube. Must watch for every true F1 fan - they discuss era from 60s to 70s, when F1 took too many lives. Warning: Some scenes are quite hard to watch.

Thanks for this. You weren't kidding about hard to watch, right off the bat it's brutal.

Going to save this to watch with my dad. The 60s and 70s is when he watched the sport the most.
 

Dead Man

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DrM said:
Awesome BBC documentary 'Grand Prix - The Killer Years' is now on Youtube. Must watch for every true F1 fan - they discuss era from 60s to 70s, when F1 took too many lives. Warning: Some scenes are quite hard to watch.
Jackie Stewart may be irritating with some of the rubbish he spouts these days, but he did make huge contributions to safety in the sport.
 

Lucius86

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AcridMeat said:
Thanks for this. You weren't kidding about hard to watch, right off the bat it's brutal.

Going to save this to watch with my dad. The 60s and 70s is when he watched the sport the most.

Watched it last week, certainly was a tough ride. Seeing charred bodies is always a sight that turns the stomach.
 

dalin80

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duckroll said:
Really? He won Monza 2008 in the Toro Rosso. That clearly proves that he is every bit as important as the car.


Got lucky in timing his qual run just before the rain restarted and almost lost the race to hamilton who started at the back.

A decent performance certainly but he was the only driver who had a clear track while the main contenders were held up in the trulli train.
 

Igo

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It's been a week and still no race edit on f1.com. I'm really getting impatient now.

dalin80 said:
Got lucky in timing his qual run just before the rain restarted and almost lost the race to hamilton who started at the back.

A decent performance certainly but he was the only driver who had a clear track while the main contenders were held up in the trulli train.

Lewis was masterful in that race. It's such a shame that the track dried out after his pit stop and he had to stop again. I'm sure we'd still be talking about it 10 years from now had he won that race.
 

Ark

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Igo said:
It's been a week and still no race edit on f1.com. I'm really getting impatient now.

F1.com's race edits have been getting progressively slower, and progressively more boring..
 

Caramello

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moojito said:
That bit at the end of the documentary with the guy trying to push the burning car over was terrible.

It really was, you could tell how Purley felt too not being able to do anything...

It's almost unthinkable these days that they weren't even wearing restraints of any kind in Formula 1 in the 60's, drivers being thrown out of their cars is just wow...
 

Dead Man

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Caramello said:
It really was, you could tell how Purley felt too not being able to do anything...

It's almost unthinkable these days that they weren't even wearing restraints of any kind in Formula 1 in the 60's, drivers being thrown out of their cars is just wow...
Never seen that footage, Purley must have been shattered.

Wasn't just the drivers, the marshals and spectators copped it too. Racing was in general was so different back then, the story of the Masta kink in the 1972 24 hour as Spa is pretty horrible too.
 
Wow, I didn't know F1 was that crazy back then. "The drivers wore lucky charms instead of seat belts", just wow.
moojito said:
That bit at the end of the documentary with the guy trying to push the burning car over was terrible.
That was the part that really got me.
 
DrM said:
Awesome BBC documentary 'Grand Prix - The Killer Years' is now on Youtube. Must watch for every true F1 fan - they discuss era from 60s to 70s, when F1 took too many lives. Warning: Some scenes are quite hard to watch.


yeah, i watched the other week, they also had another show on before: 60 years of f1


other good documentaries shown by the bbc on youtube:

Jim Clark - The Quiet Champion

Graham Hill: Driven
 

Dead Man

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Just in case anyone thinks F1 is the only race series that has incompetent people, the LMS at Paul Ricard recently had some issues.... they started the race but the safety car was still on the track. Apparently they cut it from all time delayed broadcasts.

watch
 

AcridMeat

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Just finished watching the documentary with my dad, crazy. Extremely bittersweet ending to it all. Completely different world back then, I was blown away that they actually put magnesium in a car even though cars would catch fire in a crash 90% of the time.
moojito said:
That bit at the end of the documentary with the guy trying to push the burning car over was terrible.
This was hard to watch for me as well. :(
 

RayStorm

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AcridMeat said:
This was hard to watch for me as well. :(

For me as well. One one hand there is the greatness of his actions and on the other hand the desperation and ultimate futility of it.

Also the part about the race in Spa in heavy rain where 7 cars spun out in the firs lap was something that got me to think. You see in the past couple of years I really disliked drivers complaining about the weather and unsafe driving conditions due to massive rain. My line of thinking was, they are paid millions to do it, cars and tracks are rather save right now, they are free to not compete, if they really feel they can't drive under those conditions anymore and I don't want to be deprived of the great spectacle that heavy rain provides.

While I still kind of have this point of view, I'm not as certain about it anymore. At least I now kind of understand where even modern day drivers may be coming from.

But still, that they raced on tracks without even barriers through woods and mountains in cars without seat belts seems... insane.
 

Massa

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RayStorm said:
For me as well. One one hand there is the greatness of his actions and on the other hand the desperation and ultimate futility of it.

Also the part about the race in Spa in heavy rain where 7 cars spun out in the firs lap was something that got me to think. You see in the past couple of years I really disliked drivers complaining about the weather and unsafe driving conditions due to massive rain. My line of thinking was, they are paid millions to do it, cars and tracks are rather save right now, they are free to not compete, if they really feel they can't drive under those conditions anymore and I don't want to be deprived of the great spectacle that heavy rain provides.

While I still kind of have this point of view, I'm not as certain about it anymore. At least I now kind of understand where even modern day drivers may be coming from.

But still, that they raced on tracks without even barriers through woods and mountains in cars without seat belts seems... insane.

The biggest problem with rain racing is low visibility. A race should absolutely not happen if drivers don't have enough visibility to break in case a car is stopped in the middle of the track.

A driver died this weekend on Interlagos because of such conditions. :-(
 

DieH@rd

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keyboardcat said:
just curious, when are the bonus questions and bets usually open at f1racemanager?

Tuesday or Wednesday as i recall. I badly need 2 million to sell Trulli and get Alguersuari.
 

moojito

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Given that it's always pishin' it doon in Malaysia, I wonder how the tyre strategy will be different if it's all about the wet tyres. Use of the adjustable wing will be not allowed if they use intermediates or wets as well.
 
I just finished watching the last of the F1 related documentaries (the BBC ones) on youtube.

I think in total I watched...

  • Jim Clark: The Quiet Champion
  • Graham Hill: Driven
  • Jackie Stewart: The Flying Scot
  • Grand Prix - Killer Years
  • F1 - 60 Year Anniversary
Very interesting, but god... so depressing in places. :(
 

AcridMeat

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RayStorm said:
For me as well. One one hand there is the greatness of his actions and on the other hand the desperation and ultimate futility of it.

Also the part about the race in Spa in heavy rain where 7 cars spun out in the firs lap was something that got me to think. You see in the past couple of years I really disliked drivers complaining about the weather and unsafe driving conditions due to massive rain. My line of thinking was, they are paid millions to do it, cars and tracks are rather save right now, they are free to not compete, if they really feel they can't drive under those conditions anymore and I don't want to be deprived of the great spectacle that heavy rain provides.

While I still kind of have this point of view, I'm not as certain about it anymore. At least I now kind of understand where even modern day drivers may be coming from.

But still, that they raced on tracks without even barriers through woods and mountains in cars without seat belts seems... insane.

I agree with you to a certain point, it puts a different perspective on it. However there was a case last year, might have been Korea where they were under the safety car from rain for 20 laps or so when Hamilton was desperate for them to start. At the same time Mark Webber was saying it's unsafe, while at the point in the championship Red Bull just needed to kill time for Hamilton to be unable to make a push for the championship.

My point is I agree that when visibility is shot it's hard to say they should race. However that same concern for safety can be exploited for the sake of a championship, which I dislike.
 
Just watched The Killer Years. Pretty amazing how dangerous it was back in the day.

It's equally amazing how safe the sport is now whilst still having so many big crashes. I mean, Mark Webber going upside down last year would've been death x10 for him decades ago, now he just gets out and shakes it off. Let's be honest, everybody loves a good crash, but doesn't want to see anyone injured, so it's nice to be able to watch two cars collide spectacularly and still have both men walk away.
 

moojito

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Foliorum Viridum said:
Just watched The Killer Years. Pretty amazing how dangerous it was back in the day.

It's equally amazing how safe the sport is now whilst still having so many big crashes. I mean, Mark Webber going upside down last year would've been death x10 for him decades ago, now he just gets out and shakes it off. Let's be honest, everybody loves a good crash, but doesn't want to see anyone injured, so it's nice to be able to watch two cars collide spectacularly and still have both men walk away.

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Ahhh c'mon now, that was just too easy!
 

Ark

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DrM said:
So i heard it right - they simply didn't have enough time to made bottom and rear from heat resistant carbon fibres, so they improvised with much heavier titanium.

The important part is still how quick they were with most of the rear-end being made out of titanium.
 

S. L.

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DrM said:
So i heard it right - they simply didn't have enough time to made bottom and rear from heat resistant carbon fibres, so they improvised with much heavier titanium.
eh i don't think the advantage gained by making it carbon should be overestimated.
most likely the vanilla car is under the weight limit anyways, so they have some room for playing around with weight distribution.
 

Deadman

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/andrewbenson/2011/04/michael_schumachers_classic_f1.html

Schumacher has picked his 5 favourite races for the BBC's classic f1 series. Sadly i think the videos are uk only, but here are his choices and reasons.

"The 1991 Spanish Grand Prix.

"This was one of the first few races of my career, but that's not why I remember it. It's for the wheel-to-wheel battle down the pit straight between Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell, when they came within inches of touching. It was two great drivers pushing each other to the edge, but with the respect to leave each other just enough room. It's one of the coolest moments I've seen in F1."

"The 1993 European Grand Prix.

"Not one of my greatest races - I spun out in the pouring rain. I've picked this because of Ayrton. My time racing against him was too short. He was a great talent, and I always have been impressed by his driving, and this race showed exactly why."

"The 1998 Hungarian Grand Prix.

"This race sums up the great relationship I had - and still have - with Ross Brawn. We were behind the McLarens of Mika Hakkinen and David Coulthard for the first part of the race and Ross decided that the only chance of beating them was to switch to a three-stop strategy - one stop more than them. It was a brilliant plan but it wasn't easy. I still remember the radio message from Ross that I had to make up something like 25 seconds in 19 laps."

"The 2000 Belgian Grand Prix.

"I enjoyed many great battles with Mika Hakkinen, who was very fast and a very tough competitor, and this was one of the best. I got into the lead when it was wet early on, but as it dried up Mika had a big pace advantage and he caught up easily. I managed to fend him off for one lap, but on the next he pulled off a great move to pass me as we went either side of Ricardo Zonta's BAR."

"The 2000 Japanese Grand Prix.

"This is probably both the toughest and most beautiful race of my career. Mika and I were flat out all the way, really on the edge every lap on a great drivers' circuit with the world championship at stake. And the race was really tricky because of changing conditions in the drizzle. I managed to get out ahead after my final pit stop and won. What makes it all the more special was that
 
Bonus question is up on f1Racemanager:


One of the changes this season is the adjustable rear wing to boost overtaking. The system's availability is electronically controlled. Watch the video and answer this week's question: When will the system be deactivated?

When the driver pushes a button on the steering wheel.
When the car is driving too close behind another car.
When the driver brakes.
When the car enters a corner with an angle of more than 15 degrees
 

Igo

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Psychotext said:
Why? It's the right answer.

No it isn't, or it shouldn't be. I don't know about that video but drivers and pundits have commented that the the wing needs to be closed before breaking.
 

Cirruss

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Igo said:
No it isn't, or it shouldn't be. I don't know about that video but drivers and pundits have commented that the the wing needs to be closed before breaking.

Pretty sure I remember them saying that it closes as soon as they start to brake. Besides which, none of the other answers look like they'll fit it better anyawy.
 

Seanspeed

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Igo said:
No it isn't, or it shouldn't be. I don't know about that video but drivers and pundits have commented that the the wing needs to be closed before breaking.
The driver *can* close it on his own, but its automatically deactivated when hitting the brake.
 

Articate

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I was sure the drivers closed it before they started braking, seen how the lack of rear downforce moves the center of gravity forwards, so the rear tyres will be unloaded more. Seen how the flap returning doesn't instantaniously recenter the weight, not closing it until you're braking will result in not enough weight initially on the back tyres. Sounds risky.
 

Igo

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Seanspeed said:
The driver *can* close it on his own, but its automatically deactivated when hitting the brake.

I'm aware. It was mentioned during the bbc practice broadcast but I was under the impression that was just a safety measure. I'm certain i've seen drivers say that they close the wing before braking for stability and probably so they can brake a moment later too.

The braking answer is probably what they want though.
 
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