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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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operon

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this news is a joke, did they forget the last time sky had f1 on it. I have skysports 1 and 2 and this still pisses me off. they have the worst commentators yet spends millions on rights.

They only shine they can put on this turd is if the get bbc to do the whole production, else this will fail faster than waterproof teabags
 
D4Danger said:
Radio is cheap and collectively it has an audience of 10+ million

there's a lot of stations so the bbc can tick the "something for everyone" box

Commercial radio is cheap. BBC radio otoh, well they have the highest pay rates for DJs and production regardless of listening figures (unionised workers).

Seriously, the BBC have an insane number of radio stations that could do with being shut down, and BBC3 is just full of shitty trash TV, giving us gems such as Britain's Worst Teeth...
 
Foliorum Viridum said:
Pretty much. Nobody is going to support watching half a season. It's retarded.

To be honest, I don't understand why they don't just drop it entirely. At least it's less confusing then.
I think the only hope is if sponsors start to put some pressure on the teams if the ratings on Sky Sports are well below the BBC's.
 
Dead Man said:
It's strange. This news combined with this weekend being Hungary, and I can already feel myself not really giving a fuck about the race.
In some ways, I'm quite impressed. I often wondered if there was a way to make the Hungarian GP worse and BBC/Bernie/SKY have found one.
 

h3ro

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Dead Man said:
It's strange. This news combined with this weekend being Hungary, and I can already feel myself not really giving a fuck about the race.

Agreed. I feel like 90% of the commentary for this race is always focused on the "dirty vs. clean side of the track".

I'm so depressed. First, it's Hungaroring weekend. Second, BBC lost the rights and we won't have their ridiculously excellent coverage for every race. Then, I just realized that Spa (!) is more than a month away. :/
 
anonnumber6 said:
I think the only hope is if sponsors start to put some pressure on the teams if the ratings on Sky Sports are well below the BBC's.
Regardless of what happens, we have at least 2-3 years of shit F1 coverage ahead.

Honestly, I don't know if I will stick with it if SKY doesn't impress.
 

Dead Man

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marvelharvey said:
In some ways, I'm quite impressed. I often wondered if there was a way to make the Hungarian GP worse and BBC/Bernie/SKY have found one.
LOL there is that. What was going to be the most interesting race at the Hungaroring in a decade is now... fucked.

h3ro said:
Agreed. I feel like 90% of the commentary for this race is always focused on the "dirty vs. clean side of the track".

I'm so depressed. First, it's Hungaroring weekend. Second, BBC lost the rights and we won't have their ridiculously excellent coverage for every race. Then, I just realized that Spa (!) is more than a month away. :/
Ugh, and that. The state of F1 is so shitty sometimes. They (mostly) fix the racing, everything else turns to shit.
 
anonnumber6 said:
I think the only hope is if sponsors start to put some pressure on the teams if the ratings on Sky Sports are well below the BBC's.

That's the stupidest part of this decision. F1 is basically a massive advertising billboard and by limiting the number of people that can see the adverts it will lead to a decline in sponsorship monies which is going to adversely affect the teams and then the sport as it becomes less competitive for mid-lower teams.

Stupid decision making all around really, but I suppose Bernie wins because he gets some of that sweet News Corp money.
 

h3ro

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Back to Varsha, Hobbs and Matchett next year then... I missed those guys, but I loved watching the BBC coverage these last few years.

Speed and those unnecessary advert breaks at key moments in a race used to kill me.


So, small V6s with 15K rpm limits, no ground effects and even more part/technology homologation with coverage on Sky HD.

Sounds fantasstic.
 

Juicy Bob

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We're not going to have Martin Brundle commentating every race live anymore. Or Eddie Jordan making amusing comments. It's so genuinely depressing. Sky can't possibly improve on perfection.
 
D4Danger said:
Radio is cheap and collectively it has an audience of 10+ million

there's a lot of stations so the bbc can tick the "something for everyone" box

This. It always surprises me how many people listen to radio, especially outside of their car. The main problem with radio is that they pay their 'top talent' too much.
 
The worst part? The BBC launched the global iPlayer app for the iPad this week, with a subscription model for international users (€6,99 per month for full access). There really was some hope they would use the money to keep F1.
 
Juicy Bob said:
We're not going to have Martin Brundle commentating every race live anymore. Or Eddie Jordan making amusing comments. It's so genuinely depressing. Sky can't possibly improve on perfection.

I think you'll be lucky if you get Brundle for any, to be honest. Same for goes for the rest of BBC's F1 team (with the exception of Jake - and I can see Ted and DC going to the highest bidder, i.e, Sky).
 
Just told my mother (In her 70s, lifelong fan) and she's absolutely gutted, I'd go as far to say upset. She's on a pension so it's not like she can just got out and blow a huge chunk of money on Sky.
 
brotkasten said:
The worst part? The BBC launched the global iPlayer app for the iPad this week, with a subscription model for international users (€6,99 per month for full access).

I very much doubt that their F1 coverage would be included in that since local broadcast companies would complain. It's mostly for BBC shows like Doctor Who or Top Gear. F1 is, after all, a licensed show.


Foliorum Viridum said:
Guys, I don't want to make it worse but there's something we haven't considered yet... 50% less Lee McKenzie :(

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I hope SKY payed an insane amount to get the coverage and they get hardly any viewers in return so they decide to get rid of the coverage and the BBC pick it back up again. Fucking Bullshit news has ruined the race weekend. So depressing
 
brotkasten said:
Why not stream it over the internet?
Well I most likely will but it's just not the same. Also having half the races with a possible different set of people between races and more then likely less effort on the BBC side of things, it's all shitty.
 
zomgbbqftw said:
I very much doubt that their F1 coverage would be included in that since local broadcast companies would complain. It's mostly for BBC shows like Doctor Who or Top Gear. F1 is, after all, a licensed show.
I send my post too early and corrected it. I was hoping they'd use part of the money to fund the F1 coverage.
 
Diablohead said:
Well I most likely will but it's just not the same. Also having half the races with a possible different set of people between races and more then likely less effort on the BBC side of things, it's all shitty.
It will feel so disjointed, won't it? One race we have EJ and Brundle saying something, then the next week a whole new set of people with different opinions saying something different. You have to wait another two weeks just to hear what the BBC team think of the last race...

I know they were looking for a compromise but it's just not going to work.
 

Xun

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Mecha_Infantry said:
What makes this worse for me is that I watch BBC news in the morning and see them wasting money by sending reporters half way across the country to do some shit news report on moths, ping pong or bees. EVERY MORNING. they say they need to save money well fucking drop the things with shit viewing figures

So this means BBC4 stays? Seriously fuck this decision. I've got sky but I loved it ad-free on BBC and the awesome team. Do people think Sky will dedicate 3/4 hours every Sunday for the whole programme? Hell no.

#drogbadisgrace
The BBC definitely needs to use our money better.

The presenters are extremely overpaid.
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
I do wonder if the Sky Sports team (typing that feels so surreal) will get the same amount of backstage access that the BBC team have had over these past three years. The access we've had has been phenomenal and it really hit home at the Canadian GP as to how privileged we are.

Also, we all love Eddie randomly grabbing key personal at the most impromptu moments for an interview, I'll really miss the camaraderie of the BBC team if they go their separate ways.
 
Edmond Dantès said:
I do wonder if the Sky Sports team (typing that feels so surreal) will get the same amount of backstage access that the BBC team have had over these past two years. The access we've had has been phenomenal and it really hit home at the Canadian GP as to how privileged we are.

Also, we all love Eddie randomly grabbing key personal at the most impromptu moments for an interview, I'll really miss the camaraderie of the BBC team if they go their separate ways.

I doubt it. The BBC team had built up a reputation with the F1 bosses and teams over the years and they trusted the BBC. I highly doubt we will be seeing a member of the skysports team going over and grabbing Christian Horner for a quick interview or having backstage passes to the Mclaren motorhome.
 
Edmond Dantès said:
I do wonder if the Sky Sports team (typing that feels so surreal) will get the same amount of backstage access that the BBC team have had over these past three years. The access we've had has been phenomenal and it really hit home at the Canadian GP as to how privileged we are.

Teams and sponsors want all the exposure they can get - there will be nothing to gain from limiting Sky's access.
 
Edmond Dantès said:
I do wonder if the Sky Sports team (typing that feels so surreal) will get the same amount of backstage access that the BBC team have had over these past two years. The access we've had has been phenomenal and it really hit home at the Canadian GP as to how privileged we are.

Also, we all love Eddie randomly grabbing key personal at the most impromptu moments for an interview, I'll really miss the camaraderie of the BBC team if they go their separate ways.
Sky Sports is already covering F1 in Germany. I'm sure they already made friends backstage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_broadcasters#2011_TV_Broadcasters
 

Dead Man

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Martin Whitmarsh, being classy as usual, Adam Parr (Williams) misses the point:
http://planetf1.com/driver/18227/7066612/Teams-want-clarification-about-Sky-deal
The F1 teams are reportedly seeking clarification after waking up to the news that Sky Sports will share F1 coverage with the BBC starting in 2012.

On Friday morning it was confirmed that Sky Sports would share coverage of Formula One with the BBC after signing a deal that runs from 2012 to 2018.

The deal will see Sky Sports, a pay-per-view channel, show all races, qualifying and practice sessions live while the BBC, free-to-air TV, will only show half the races and qualifying sessions live.

The announcement has come as a surprise to the Formula One teams especially as F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone has spoken in the past about the importance of keeping F1 on free-to-air TV.

"As I understand BBC are covering half the grands prix, and Sky are doing every practice session and everything else. It's interesting," McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh told Autosport.

"I don't think anyone should be immediately reacting to say this is good, bad, or indifferent.

"What we need to understand is whether the large audience we currently enjoy in Formula 1 will be maintained. I think we also need to understand exactly how this is being done."

He also explained that taking F1 off free-to-air TV could be viewed as a breach of the Concorde Agreement.

"We've got a range of safeguards within Concorde, and the right thing to do is to explore how the Formula 1 coverage is going to be dealt with in the future, and take a view from there. I don't know how many homes in the UK have Sky, but it is a pretty high proportion."

Meanwhile, Williams chairman Adam Parr is refusing to comment on the new deal until such a time as he knows all the details.

"In principle I have no issue with optimising the balance between the revenues that we need, and getting a good reach in the audience," he said. "The devil is in the detail.

"I think it is a balance and, without knowing the details, you cannot comment on whether it is good or bad. What I do know is that Bernie is a very passionate believer in getting the broadest audience possible and I think he has almost certainly done this in order to do that."

As for UK fans who don't have Sky, Parr says that while he sympathises, they need to understand how expensive it is to run Formula One.

"I am sympathetic to them. I understand it is difficult - but English Premier League fans have had that for a while haven't they?

"The one thing I would say, which I have said before, I know that whether you are coming to a race or are watching the sport at home and have to do that on pay TV which seems expensive, people have to bear in mind what it costs to put on this show. It is part of the character of F1.

"For us to design and build the two cars that we will have on the grid on Sunday here, without putting an engine in them, without putting a driver in them, without accounting for the 70 staff that we bring to each race - without all of that those cars cost £2 million. You multiply that by all the cars on the grid and that is £24 million minimum of the costs just to make the parts. That is part of the show.

"It is not a bloke or two blokes with a tennis racket and a pair of plimsolls with zero cost. It is a very, very expensive sport. The best thing we can do for fans, whether they want to come to the races or want to watch it on TV, is to reduce the cost of the sport without spoiling the show."
 

Ark

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Since when did EJ use twitter? I remember Jake saying that EJ & DC don't use twitter at all.

Regardless, if Brundle isn't a commentator then I'm afraid I'll probably sit out. Brundle has been THE F1 commentator for over 15 years in the UK, anyone else is a shambles.

Some of the teams gathering for this weekend's grand prix in Hungary were quick to point out that their approval for the deal would be needed in the new Concorde agreement that governs the sport, the current one being due to run out in 2012.

I would seriously love to see FOTA & the sponsors break away from FOM, and even the FIA and create their own, new championship.

Regardless of the BBC/Sky shambles that's going on, I just genuinely think F1 needs to start over. The FIA are completely useless and FOM are only interested in giving CVC more money.
 
The BBC will show the qualifying and the race from half the grands prix, including Silverstone, Monaco and the final race of the season. Sky will show all the races live, plus extensive coverage of the build up and qualifying, and Slater said there was a possibility that they could share production resources and even on‑screen talent. "We will seek to share production resources where appropriate, that is something we are working through."
Most interesting part of the article.

If we have the same presenters/commentators for both, I'd be happy, but I can't see it going down like that.
 

Dead Man

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Edmond Dantès said:
MadFuzzy said:
Fuck them, I wish they had just dropped the damn coverage. There is no point to half a season. None. And fuck everyone that keeps complaining about the BBC. Yes, I see the contradictions there, I'm just really pissed off.

Foliorum Viridum said:
Most interesting part of the article.

If we have the same presenters/commentators for both, I'd be happy, but I can't see it going down like that.
Actually, I think this is the most interesting part:
Some of the teams gathering for this weekend's grand prix in Hungary were quick to point out that their approval for the deal would be needed in the new Concorde agreement that governs the sport, the current one being due to run out in 2012.
 

Deadman

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“They have been trying to buy the TV rights from us for a long time, but we won’t because they are not free-to-air television broadcasters. Sky are doing an incredible job but if you look at their audience they are nowhere. With their figures it would be almost impossible for teams to find sponsors. That would be suicidal.”
– Bernie Ecclestone, May 2011.
 

Ark

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Deadman said:
“They have been trying to buy the TV rights from us for a long time, but we won’t because they are not free-to-air television broadcasters. Sky are doing an incredible job but if you look at their audience they are nowhere. With their figures it would be almost impossible for teams to find sponsors. That would be suicidal.”
– Bernie Ecclestone, May 2011.

Since when did Bernie's word become trustworthy?

He just radiates bullshit.
 

Dead Man

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Deadman said:
“They have been trying to buy the TV rights from us for a long time, but we won’t because they are not free-to-air television broadcasters. Sky are doing an incredible job but if you look at their audience they are nowhere. With their figures it would be almost impossible for teams to find sponsors. That would be suicidal.”
– Bernie Ecclestone, May 2011.
Exactly. What a fucking self serving prick.
 

Adamm

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Foliorum Viridum said:
Most interesting part of the article.

If we have the same presenters/commentators for both, I'd be happy, but I can't see it going down like that.
I hope they do share the "talent". Even if its just Brundle
 

Edmond Dantès

Dantès the White
Deadman said:
“They have been trying to buy the TV rights from us for a long time, but we won’t because they are not free-to-air television broadcasters. Sky are doing an incredible job but if you look at their audience they are nowhere. With their figures it would be almost impossible for teams to find sponsors. That would be suicidal.”
– Bernie Ecclestone, May 2011.
Cum grano salis.

Take everything he's says with a grain of salt.
 
Deadman said:
“They have been trying to buy the TV rights from us for a long time, but we won’t because they are not free-to-air television broadcasters. Sky are doing an incredible job but if you look at their audience they are nowhere. With their figures it would be almost impossible for teams to find sponsors. That would be suicidal.”
– Bernie Ecclestone, May 2011.
He'll be able to easily argue that this deal is the best of both worlds. I imagine the self satisfied little prick will be quite pleased with himself.
 
Deadman said:
“They have been trying to buy the TV rights from us for a long time, but we won’t because they are not free-to-air television broadcasters. Sky are doing an incredible job but if you look at their audience they are nowhere. With their figures it would be almost impossible for teams to find sponsors. That would be suicidal.”
– Bernie Ecclestone, May 2011.
Just saw this on Twitter.

"If you rearrange the words 'Bernie Ecclestone' you get 'I am a senile old twat'. Almost. #F1FansDontWantSky"
 
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