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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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RomanticHeroX said:
To be fair I kinda like the Korean track. Most of the new ones are absolute garbage though.

Was trying to make a point and just wrote any new track down. Just replace Korea with any other new track. :)

Also, just got to watched the race recently and my word was it awesome, was expected though. Most races this season have been great to watch. Hamilton was aggressive as usual and Button got lucky in my opinion for not pitting first before hamilton, but good drive otherwise. Alonso was all over the place at the start but got a podium due to strategy and some good overtakes and fast laps. Vettel again got 2nd place although he didn't seem do to much after the first stint, was in clean air most of the race helped by the strategy of his team where as Webber got unlucky like Hamilton pitting for intermediates then having to pit again. Overall great race, some nice overtakes and incidents and now its the long wait for Spa.
 
RomanticHeroX said:
Because Europe is where most of the great circuits of the world are located. There are plenty of good ones elsewhere, and several great ones, but most outside of Europe don't compare. As an American F1 fan I have to admit that I don't think there's a single track in my country that's deserving of hosting an F1 event.

Europe has its fair share of shitty tracks or tracks that are not suited for F1 and you can always build new tracks elsewhere, just don't let Tilke near the project. Austin looks good, but he still designs too much shit.
 

f0rk

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brotkasten said:
Europe has its fair share of shitty tracks or tracks that are not suited for F1 and you can always build new tracks elsewhere, just don't let Tilke near the project. Austin looks good, but he still designs too much shit.

My problem isn't with the actual track, it's the fact most of them are built in the middle of nowhere with no scenery beyond the big pit complex.
 

a176

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RomanticHeroX said:
To be fair I kinda like the Korean track. Most of the new ones are absolute garbage though.

i didnt really like korea last year. but with drs, it could be interesting.
 

Jezbollah

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RomanticHeroX said:
Because Europe is where most of the great circuits of the world are located. There are plenty of good ones elsewhere, and several great ones, but most outside of Europe don't compare. As an American F1 fan I have to admit that I don't think there's a single track in my country that's deserving of hosting an F1 event.

There is one track that F1 would be awesome at: Road America. It would need a hell of a lot of work though - and I would hope no alteration to the layout.
 
I found it interesting, that Sky is also broadcasting F1 in Germany, but they're sharing the rights with other free-to-air networks.

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TV Network 	Language 	Practice 1 	Practice 2 	Practice 3 	Qualifying 	Race         Notes

SPORT1 	        German 	        Live 	        Live 	        No 	        Delayed 	Highlights 	
RTL Television 	German 	        No 	        No 	        Delayed 	Live 	        Live 	     16:9 feed - HDTV feed confirmed.
Sky Sport 	German          Live 	        Live 	        Live 	        Live 	        Live 	     Choice of different perspectives at qualifying and race. - 16:9 and HDTV feed confirmed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_broadcasters

Why isn't it possible in the UK?
 

DrM

Redmond's Baby
Well, F1 race on RTL is like commerical break nightmare and you will see maybe 50% of all the race.
 
Ark said:
Because the BBC just don't have want to spend the money to broadcast all of the races live.
So it could've been possible? Theoretically, I mean.

Goldrusher said:
I'm pretty sure every single channel can broadcast any single session, as long as they pay for it.
The BBC doesn't want to pay for it anymore.
I see. I thought Sky bought exclusive rights for the other races. Nvm then.
 

Goldrusher

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I'm pretty sure every single channel can broadcast any single session, as long as they pay for it.
The BBC doesn't want to pay for it anymore.
 
Juicy Bob said:
UK Government Petition to raise issue of live Formula 1 coverage on free-to-air television in Parliament has gone live.

Site's under heavy traffic at the moment, and I have no idea how effective it will be (it probably won't), but at least this is something we can do to be proactive about it.
If there is enough signatures it will be debated in Parliament. Probably won't be successful and even if it is I'm not sure they can stop the Sky rights contract but it is better than nothing.
 
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/...ren-closed-the-gap-and-red-bull-are-reacting/

How Ferrari and McLaren closed the gap and Red Bull are reacting

Meanwhile McLaren, which has now won the last two races, has done work on visible things like wings and brakeducts, but one of the keys to their success lately has been working with the rake of the car and the exhaust blown diffuser, both in terms of engine mapping and the diffuser design itself. As maps have to be the same for qualifying and race, there has been a lot of work on getting the best compromise. The result is more rear end downforce and stability. They got it wrong on Button’s car in Germany and that’s one of the reasons he was strangely off the pace.


mclaren have further upgrades planned for spa/monza and a major package for singapore according to autosport magazine.
 

Ark

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Read that article earlier today, I fully expect next year for Ferrari & Mclaren to have closed the gap to RBR. After almost 3 years with the same technical regs, it would be laughable if they didn't.
 
Oh man. Imagine next year with a competitive Mclaren, Ferrari and Red Bull at the start of the season with the DRS and Pirelli tyres. Mouthwatering prospect, no huge advantages for certain cars but are a more evenly matched field at the top. If only BBC had the rights for another year.
 

Shaneus

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Holy shit, just watching the Senna doco. My GOD Prost was such a cunt to take out Senna in '89 and take it to the stewards.
 

DrM

Redmond's Baby
Ark said:
Aren't Ferrari choosing to work solidly for this week instead?
Your factory must be closed for 2 consecutive weeks during this 4 week break. Most teams decided that they will be closed for first two weeks, some are working this week and will not work for next two.
 
Psychotext said:
They were both as bad as each other.

Not to sound like a kid, but Prost started.

And if that wasn´t enough, Balestre tried to help him in the following year by changing the starting lanes and putting Senna on the dirty side.

I can´t see how attacking and retaliating can be viewed with the same harm.

Maybe i view this differently because i watched those seasons when i was a kid and maybe because i´m brazilian, but i have a hard time believing people view Senna and Prost equal on the douchbag scale.
 
Goldrusher said:
I'm pretty sure every single channel can broadcast any single session, as long as they pay for it.
The BBC doesn't want to pay for it anymore.

SHUT UP!!!!

the sense of entitlement in this thread wants to believe that BERNIE decided it HAS to be on Sky.

do NOT bring reality here.
 

Lucius86

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Templar Wizard said:
SHUT UP!!!!

the sense of entitlement in this thread wants to believe that BERNIE decided it HAS to be on Sky.

do NOT bring reality here.

Hush you.

Signed petition. I want my public money spent on the F1.
 
1,300?

Haha. It's going to take an age to get there, if it does, and even then what can they do? I don't think anything will come of it.

With that said, signed!
 

TylerD

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I went to sign but you can't if you don't live in the UK. Someone want to give me a fake address to use? :)

shagg_187 said:
I shed manly tears. It's such an amazing documentary!

Me too. That whole weekend at Imola in 94 was gut wrenching and then the celebration for Senna in Sao Paulo was incredible.
 

Ark

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ANDY_098 said:
One more day until shutdown! Shame there'll no F1 to keep me occupied...

I've got Minecraft and iRacing to keep me occupied.

Shameful plug for Minecraft GAF server.
 

Dead Man

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Templar Wizard said:
SHUT UP!!!!

the sense of entitlement in this thread wants to believe that BERNIE decided it HAS to be on Sky.

do NOT bring reality here.
Damn I hate that phrase, especially when it is not correct.
 

Burai

shitonmychest57
seattle6418 said:
Not to sound like a kid, but Prost started.

And if that wasn´t enough, Balestre tried to help him in the following year by changing the starting lanes and putting Senna on the dirty side.

I can´t see how attacking and retaliating can be viewed with the same harm.

Maybe i view this differently because i watched those seasons when i was a kid and maybe because i´m brazilian, but i have a hard time believing people view Senna and Prost equal on the douchbag scale.

The film plays up Prost's politics and plays Senna's down something dreadful. The movie is a brilliant piece of work, but they've skewed a hell of a lot to fit their brief of making Senna the hero and Prost the villain. They both played ridiculously dirty games because that's how cut-throat F1 was then.

I'd refer you to this from Motor Sport Magazine's Ask Nigel Roebuck column:

Dear Nigel,

I’m greatly looking forward to seeing the Senna film, which seems to be enjoying wild reviews from anyone who has seen it.
One person who I had heard hasn’t seen it is Alain Prost – perhaps (although I am sure he could handle it) because I’ve heard that the film goes a bit ‘Hollywood’ on bending timelines and even a few facts in order to portray Alain as the villain of the piece.

I was a huge fan of Senna, but equally of Prost – as I know are you – whose character, talent and racecraft was absolutely top drawer, and who I believe was probably the only career team-mate never indisputably beaten by Senna during their two seasons at McLaren through the vagaries of the points system at the time.

While I appreciate the context of the film and the story it is endeavouring to tell, I wondered about your thoughts on this aspect of it?

With thanks for the 28 years that I’ve been reading your thoughts and reports on the sport we love (most of the time)!

Hamish Goddard



Dear Hamish,

I’ve now seen the Senna film several times and I think it a remarkable piece of work, one which evokes a time of intense drama in Formula 1, when horsepower went way beyond 1000, when aerodynamics played nothing like so dominant a role as now – and when drivers still changed gear with a (foot) clutch and a lever. It was also a time before ‘Tilke track’ entered the vocabulary of F1.

Nothing more really need be said about Senna’s genius at the wheel of a racing car – many people regard him as the best there has ever been, and nothing will ever change their opinion. The movie does ample justice to Ayrton’s other-worldly talent at the wheel, and also captures the character of the man as I remember him.

Only one aspect is unsatisfactory, in my opinion. Senna always regarded Alain Prost as his only true rival, as also did we in the press room. Much is necessarily made of this rivalry in the movie – but I feel it sells Alain short, and paints a one-sided picture of how things actually were. First, Ayrton’s dark side – which emphatically he had – is very much played down; second, Alain is portrayed, notably by one-time US commentator John Bissignano, both as a devious figure who ‘used politics’ to get his way, and as a driver who only ever thought in terms of ‘points’…

This – as one who was present at all the races through that period – I found grossly unfair, and many others have said the same. In Monaco I talked about it to John Hogan, formerly of Philip Morris – essentially ‘Marlboro’s man in Formula 1’ – and a highly influential figure. He, too, remembered those days: “When it came to politics,” he chuckled, “Senna wrote the bloody book!”

In Monaco, too, I spoke to Prost about the movie – to which he contributed a lot of time and help – and asked him how he felt about it. “I haven’t seen it,” he said, “and I’m not going to. They sent me a DVD, but I’m not going to watch it – friends who have seen it have advised me not to…”

Rather sad, I thought, but I could understand his point of view. There again, the title of the film is Senna, and, as I said to writer and executive producer Manish Pandey, I’m sure that if I were to make a movie entitled Prost, he would find it highly unfair to Ayrton!
 

Dead Man

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seattle6418 said:
Maybe i view this differently because i watched those seasons when i was a kid and maybe because i´m brazilian, but i have a hard time believing people view Senna and Prost equal on the douchbag scale.
They were both hard evil bastards. Both utter douchebags. Prost was more clinical about it, Senna more passionate, but both were dicks of the highest order. The both just happened to be brilliant drivers, too.
 

mclaren777

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John_B said:
McLaren couldn't get tyre strategy for Hamilton right if their life depended on it.
Mclaren has always been weak regarding tire strategy in changeable conditions. I think back to the British GP about eight years ago when they were always one step behind and made something like 5-6 pitstops with each car.


Bungieware said:
Terrible result for the WDC
I couldn't agree more. I hate it that Vettel increased his lead with this race.


ANDY_098 said:
Any news on what caused the explosion?
That air canister theory seems valid but it also could have been a steam explosion from the radiator.


TylerD said:
I'll fess up. I am the 17 down 13 up at the top. Started to download Senna before leaving for my parents house and didnt realize it was 7 gigs and nobody has requested it.
When you eventually receive invites, are you willing to share them with your fellow GAFers?


Shaneus said:
Are there any good tracks in France? I'd love to see one there.
I think Magny-Cours is amazing and I'd gladly trade most circuits on the calendar to have it back.
 

mclaren777

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For the captionistas out there...

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Saw the Senna Documentary in Cinemas recently, amazing. However checking on the net I see that there is an extended version over an hour longer than the theatrical release. Has anyone seen the extended version? What did they cut out for cinemas?
 
SunhiLegend said:
Saw the Senna Documentary in Cinemas recently, amazing. However checking on the net I see that there is an extended version over an hour longer than the theatrical release. Has anyone seen the extended version? What did they cut out for cinemas?
No race footage sadly, but a number of interviews with various drivers/team owners, one of the Prost. In fact, the Prost interview had one of my favourite moments in the film, no idea why the cut it.
 
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