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[Leunam]

Adrian Newey and his design team. Without them Red Bull would be just be another run of the mill team and Vettel and co wouldn't be in the situation they find themselves in.

Yep. Vettel has stated that him staying at Red Bull is dependent on Adrian Newey staying as well. That says a lot.

 

[Omiee]

Still i think its unfair to say most of the reason they did well is because mclaren and ferrari messed up. Look at 09 mclaren had a good car at the end of the season still vettel managed to get 2 or 3 wins, and him and webber were doing pretty well. Same goes to the 2010 season.

Sure mclaren and ferrari not being up to speed at the start of a season had something to do with why they were so dominating in 10 and now in 2011 but thats not even close to being the biggest reason.

They have a fast car, a good aerodynamics package, amazing strategy and 2 great drivers.
Just look at mclaren and ferrari and their stupid decisions on the pit wall sometimes. Im sorry but that has nothing to do with why red bull are such a good team. You cant just go out there dominate qualifying all year long, im sorry 2 years in a row and say its all because the other teams dident show up.

 

[WorriedCitizen]

That second last track looks like it would be amazing going by the layout

Rouen-Les-Essarts is my favourite track in rFactor. It's absolutely crazy to drive it with one of the F1 mods. You would need balls of steel in real life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNaPGBJTPh0

 

[SunhiLegend]

Sure mclaren and ferrari not being up to speed at the start of a season had something to do with why they were so dominating in 10 and now in 2011 but thats not even close to being the biggest reason.

I think that is a major reason why RBR have been so dominant this year. Since Canada when other teams have caught up to Red Bull in terms of race pace Button has won 2 races Vettels won 2 Hamilton has won 1 and so has Alonso.

If Mclaren and Ferrari had a better car at the start of the season like they have now the championship would be to close to call. Thats why I'm hoping next year Mclaren and Ferrari get there act together at the start of the season and have a competitive car.

 

[Omiee]

Ok i agree thats a reason why they are dominating. But how can a team not be that good because other teams are bad?

 

[SunhiLegend]

Don't get me wrong I think Red Bull have done an amazing job since they've been in Formula 1. Adrian Newey has designed the fastest car possible within the regulations and Vettel is amazing at pumping out fast laps after another. I have no doubt that they would be contending for championships as long as the team stays the same.

I still think they would have be dominant in quali and some extent in the race even if Mclaren and Ferrari had a better car at the start of the season. I just don't think they would be as dominant as they are now. The first half of this year they were untouchable.

 

[f0rk]

Historically how many race winning cars have there been in an average season?

 

[Juicy Bob]

It really varies from era to era. But if I had to give a figure, I'd say usually between 3 at the minimum and 4 most commonly.

 

[DrM]

F1 Slate for today killed me

Kobayashi Kamui Kobayashi
The spirits seek to provide guidance and vision to Lewisan in his time of suffering, but also humbly advise he uses his own vision for guidance at high velocities.

 

[Leunam]

lol

 

[dubc35]

haha, that's awesome

 

[Goldrusher]

Even better:

nico Nico Rosberg
It was a great honour to lead the race on Sunday, but also to be passed by someone of your calibre Michael. Although I think we could have had a great battle to the end without the presence of DRS.

mschumi Michael Schumacher
Don't kid yourself Britney, you had the same rear wing as me, yet I gained 19 places while you somehow lost one... to me. At least you have something to put on your CV now I suppose - 101 races, three leading laps. Well done.

nico Nico Rosberg
Perhaps it was your great experience that won out in the end Michael. But you must know it was actually not the first time I led a grand prix?

mschumi Michael Schumacher
Well there you go, nobody remembers. Maybe you need something a bit more memorable to bolster up your resumé, like... I dunno, a win?

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Interesting rumour regarding Button's future.

Adam Cooper #F1
An ex-McLaren driver told me the team 'can't afford to keep Jenson because they pay Lewis so much.' Make of that what you will...

 

[Deadman]

Button/Kobayashi lineup. Sorted.

 

[Leunam]

He seems to be thinking a lot about his future.

 

[brotkasten]

Button/Kobayashi lineup. Sorted.

This needs to happen.

He seems to be thinking a lot about his future.

Button will make a good number 2 driver.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

No way Jenson won't be driving at McLaren next year. If they REALLY can't afford him (which sounds like utter bollocks, frankly), they'll just work on some extra sponsorship to pay the shortfall.

Hell, they might be doing that already - Head & Shoulders doesn't can't itself, afterall!

 

[Lucius86]

Interesting rumour regarding Button's future.

Adam Cooper #F1
An ex-McLaren driver told me the team 'can't afford to keep Jenson because they pay Lewis so much.' Make of that what you will...

I thought they each got £8 million?

I want Button to stay in McLaren. He deserves it, and it will keep team GB going.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

McLaren can't afford Button and repairs to Hamilton's car.

 

[S. L.]

Button is better suited to the current ruleset in F1 imo...
with DRS aggressive wheel to wheel racing skills that Hammy or Koba have aren't that important

 

[Jinjo]

They finally have someone who is keeping up with Hamilton and sometimes straight outperforming him and they're going to drop that for a silly money issue? Haha, no way. Silly rumours.

 

[Omiee]

I know there is a F1 the money book. But is there a other site that keeps track of all de financial stuff in F1.

Im curious to know how much each driver makes. How much sponsorship money each driver brings to the team, and if teams make a profit or a loss.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I thought they each got £8 million?

I want Button to stay in McLaren. He deserves it, and it will keep team GB going.

I don't know this year's salary figures, but here's the top ten of 2010 in Euros.

1 Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) 30,000,000 
2 Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) 16,000,000
 3 Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 14,000,000 
4 Jenson Button (McLaren) 9,000,000
 5 Michael Schumacher (Mercedes) 8,000,000
 6 Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) 8,000,000
 7 Robert Kubica (Renault) 7,500,000 
8 Rubens Barrichello (Williams) 5,500,000 
9 Mark Webber (Red Bull) 4,200,000 
10 Jarno Trulli (Lotus) 3,000,000

 

[RomanticHeroX]

Wow, not only are Ferrari wasting a spot by employing Massa, they're also massively overpaying him. Someone in that team must really like the guy.

 

[Lucius86]

I don't know this year's salary figures, but here's the top ten of 2010 in Euros.

1 Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) 30,000,000 
2 Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) 16,000,000
 3 Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 14,000,000 
4 Jenson Button (McLaren) 9,000,000
 5 Michael Schumacher (Mercedes) 8,000,000
 6 Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) 8,000,000
 7 Robert Kubica (Renault) 7,500,000 
8 Rubens Barrichello (Williams) 5,500,000 
9 Mark Webber (Red Bull) 4,200,000 
10 Jarno Trulli (Lotus) 3,000,000

Ah, mistook for the Mercedes duo. My bad.

Trulli earns 3 million?!?

 

[brotkasten]

Wow, not only are Ferrari wasting a spot by employing Massa, they're also massively overpaying him. Someone in that team must really like the guy.

Exactly my thoughts.

 

[Leunam]

Trulli earns 3 million?!?

Yeah that's where all the power steering funds went.

 

[mclaren777]

I thought you guys might like to see some stats from this video of mine. Relative obscurity until Friday, then 500k views in just a couple days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cNqaPSHv0

 

[Omiee]

I don't know this year's salary figures, but here's the top ten of 2010 in Euros.

1 Fernando Alonso (Ferrari) 30,000,000  im sorry but way overpayed
2 Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) 16,000,000 decent salary
 3 Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 14,000,000 are you kidding me? wasted money.
4 Jenson Button (McLaren) 9,000,000
 5 Michael Schumacher (Mercedes) 8,000,000
 6 Nico Rosberg (Mercedes) 8,000,000
 7 Robert Kubica (Renault) 7,500,000 
8 Rubens Barrichello (Williams) 5,500,000 overpayed much
9 Mark Webber (Red Bull) 4,200,000 
10 Jarno Trulli (Lotus) 3,000,000

Where are webber and vettel?

 

[PdotMichael]

Where are webber and vettel?

Webber is on 9, but where is Vettel?

 

[Omiee]

Webber is on 9, but where is Vettel?

lol i missed that. You cant be serious about vettel earning less than trulli?

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Where are webber and vettel?

Vettel's in the bottom half.

 11 Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 2,000,000 
12 Heikki Kovalainen (Lotus) 2,000,000 
13 Timo Glock (Virgin) 1,000,000 
14 Nico Hulkenberg (Williams) 700,000 
15 Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber) 500,000 
16 Pedro de la Rosa (Sauber) 500,000 
17 Vitaly Petrov (Renault) 400,000 
18 Jaime Alguersuari (Toro Rosso) 400,000 
19 Sebastien Buemi (Toro Rosso) 400,000 
20 Adrian Sutil (Force India) 200,000 
21 Vitantonio Liuzzi (Force India) 200,000 
22 Lucas di Grassi (Virgin) 200,000 
23 Bruno Senna (HRT) 150,000 
24 Karun Chandhok (HRT) n/a

 

[RomanticHeroX]

Vettel's salary will skyrocket when it comes time to renew his contract.

 

[Omiee]

Vettel's in the bottom half.

 11 Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull) 2,000,000 
12 Heikki Kovalainen (Lotus) 2,000,000 
13 Timo Glock (Virgin) 1,000,000 
14 Nico Hulkenberg (Williams) 700,000 
15 Kamui Kobayashi (Sauber) 500,000 
16 Pedro de la Rosa (Sauber) 500,000 
17 Vitaly Petrov (Renault) 400,000 
18 Jaime Alguersuari (Toro Rosso) 400,000 
19 Sebastien Buemi (Toro Rosso) 400,000 
20 Adrian Sutil (Force India) 200,000 
21 Vitantonio Liuzzi (Force India) 200,000 
22 Lucas di Grassi (Virgin) 200,000 
23 Bruno Senna (HRT) 150,000 
24 Karun Chandhok (HRT) n/a

Holy shit, is he the most under payed champion ever or what?

 

[DrM]

Wow, not only are Ferrari wasting a spot by employing Massa, they're also massively overpaying him. Someone in that team must really like the guy.

Spot on, this is like throwing money into black hole... Probably LDM really likes him.

 

[Leunam]

Those are last years figures.

 

[Omiee]

is Raikonnen still making money? or is that deal done?

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Holy shit, is he the most under payed champion ever or what?

This is before he won his championship.

 

[Omiee]

This is before he won his championship.

well its not he renewed his contract after last year, so i doubt his contract changed much.

 

[anonnumber6]

This is before he won his championship.

His basic salary was reported to have increased to 8,000,000 Euros when he signed his new contract in May.

 

[Jinjo]

Holy shit, is he the most under payed champion ever or what?

No, that was Button in his championship year.

But yeah as has been pointed out, he wasn't a champion at the end of 2009 when his 2010 contract was signed.

 

[DrM]

well its not he renewed his contract after last year, so i doubt his contract changed much.

I think that they raised his salary for another million. He got shitload of cash with his WDC last year, but he is quite humble cash wise.

From that numbers we can see that Ferrari is wasting A LOT of money on their drivers salaries - 44 million vs 25 milllion at Mclaren

 

[Omiee]

I think that they raised his salary for another million. He got shitload of cash with his WDC last year, but he is quite humble cash wise.

From that numbers we can see that Ferrari is wasting A LOT of money on their drivers salaries - 44 million vs 25 milllion at Mclaren

Yeah thats bullshit, no way alonso should earn almost double what hamilton makes. Cant be serious. Ferrari seriously overpays its drivers, even raikonnen got 20 or 25 million if i remember correctly.

I hope vettel got some bonuses.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

From that numbers we can see that Ferrari is wasting A LOT of money on their drivers salaries - 44 million vs 25 milllion at Mclaren

Massa pays for his own tyres and car parts. That's why he always uses the older parts.

 

[avaya]

Wow Michael is racing for chump change these days.

 

[Ark]

Yeah that's where all the power steering funds went.

Actually made me lol irl.

They finally have someone who is keeping up with Hamilton and sometimes straight outperforming him and they're going to drop that for a silly money issue? Haha, no way. Silly rumours.

The unfortunate thing is, Button keeping up with Hamilton is exactly the problem for McLaren.

The part of me that wants to see McLaren win again is saying that Button has to be replaced by someone shit. But to be honest, I want Button to stay at McLaren, it would be a major injustice if they gave him the shove.

 

[S. L.]

RBR has some sort of payout scheme based on results (including the mechanics etc) as well, so this is just the base salary.
(which also means Vettels mechanics are getting paid more lol)

 

[Omiee]

Actually made me lol irl.



The unfortunate thing is, Button keeping up with Hamilton is exactly the problem for McLaren.

The part of me that wants to see McLaren win again is saying that Button has to be replaced by someone shit. But to be honest, I want Button to stay at McLaren, it would be a major injustice if they gave him the shove.

Basically you want a second webber? Thats bullshit, i actually respect mclaren somwhat because both of their drivers are contenders to win. Ferrari and Red bull have a 1st driver and 2nd driver. At mclaren its 2 1st drivers, i actually like that.

 

[AndyD]

Wow Michael is racing for chump change these days.

That's because his money comes from endorsements. He is a billionaire after all, and not from team salaries.

 

[PdotMichael]

but 2 millions for a Vice World Champion is still a steal