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[Ark]

Basically you want a second webber? Thats bullshit, i actually respect mclaren somwhat because both of their drivers are contenders to win. Ferrari and Red bull have a 1st driver and 2nd driver. At mclaren its 2 1st drivers, i actually like that.

I didn't say I wanted a second Webber.

Realistically speaking, McLarens best chance of winning another WCC or WDC title is by replacing Button with a rookie (Paffett or Di Resta really).

McLaren having two great drivers on equal standing is great, and I've been praising them for doing so since Button signed. But at the end of the day, it's hurting them.

 

[Omiee]

I didn't say I wanted a second Webber.

Realistically speaking, McLarens best chance of winning another WCC or WDC title is by replacing Button with a rookie (Paffett or Di Resta really).

McLaren having two great drivers on equal standing is great, and I've been praising them for doing so since Button signed. But at the end of the day, it's hurting them.

I do agree, but for us as fans its much more entertaining to have 2 great drivers on the same team so they can race against each other. Button vs hamilton has been amazing all year, at china turkey and other race's

 

[Jinjo]

The unfortunate thing is, Button keeping up with Hamilton is exactly the problem for McLaren.

The part of me that wants to see McLaren win again is saying that Button has to be replaced by someone shit. But to be honest, I want Button to stay at McLaren, it would be a major injustice if they gave him the shove.

It wasn't last year and neither is it this year. Button and Hamilton have both equally befallen troubles this year. The difference being that Hamilton's problems mostly come from himself (not all of them) and Button's from mechanical or human failures of the team itself. Although I can see where you are coming from as them racing eachother could be seen as a small case of selfsabotage in Hungary, but ultimately that came down to making wrong judgement calls on one end of the garage compared to the other end.

Offcourse having the full backing of the team always help, just look at Alonso and Vettel. The fighting is also what nearly cost RBR last year, but I hugely respect that ideology.

I didn't say I wanted a second Webber.

Realistically speaking, McLarens best chance of winning another WCC or WDC title is by replacing Button with a rookie (Paffett or Di Resta really).

That's what they thought when they signed Hamilton with Alonso. :lol

Point is, it's not easy to manage two top competitive drivers, but if there's one team that can, it's McLaren.

 

[Omiee]

Red bull seem to do alright last year, managing webber and vettel.

 

[S. L.]

Red bull seem to do alright last year, managing webber and vettel.

there was no drama what so ever

 

[Chris R]

I thought you guys might like to see some stats from this video of mine. Relative obscurity until Friday, then 500k views in just a couple days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2cNqaPSHv0

TIL Reddit is 92% Male

 

[Jinjo]

Red bull seem to do alright last year, managing webber and vettel.

They did mostly, except for those horrible and really poor judgement calls in both Hungary and Silverstone. There were no excuses for those. Aside from that, they were on equal footing and allowed to race. However, when the season was approaching its end you could feel them supporting Vettel more than Webber. Not physically, but just the general vibe coming from the team was that they wanted Vettel to win.

This year Webber has really been relegated to being a number 2 driver unfortunately. But that's mostly to Vettel's credit.

I still want to beat Helmut Marko with a blunt object though.

 

[Omiee]

there was no drama what so ever

There was. What i ment was, both of them were competetive. While at ferrari there was only alonso. Mclaren seemed to do a lot better than ferrari when it came to having both your guys on the podium.

 

[S. L.]

There was. What i ment was, both of them were competetive. While at ferrari there was only alonso. Mclaren seemed to do a lot better than ferrari when it came to having both your guys on the podium.

aside from their abysmal reliability it almost cost them the championship thou

 

[Omiee]

aside from their abysmal reliability it almost cost them the championship thou

Yeah so, do we have any stocks in red bull? I mean sure i want them to do well and vettel to win it all. But id rather have exciting races than the team playing it safe. Last year to me was fun because we had these inter team battles at mclaren and red bull that made things exciting.

 

[Ark]

Offcourse having the full backing of the team always help, just look at Alonso and Vettel. The fighting is also what nearly cost RBR last year, but I hugely respect that ideology.

Vettel and Webber is a prime example of what I'm going on about.

Now that Webber apparently isn't able to match Vettel, Vettel has had no problem just steaming away with the championship without worrying about his teammate.

 

[S. L.]

Yeah so, do we have any stocks in red bull? I mean sure i want them to do well and vettel to win it all. But id rather have exciting races than the team playing it safe. Last year to me was fun because we had these inter team battles at mclaren and red bull that made things exciting.

i get a lot of enjoyment out of the management aspect i guess

 

[DrM]

Most interesting thing so far with RBR this year is ZERO reliability problems with their engines and gearboxes. Even their left front tyre is not causing any problems this year

 

[S. L.]

Most interesting thing so far with RBR this year is ZERO reliability problems with their engines and gearboxes. Even their left front tyre is not causing any problems this year

arguably their reliability problems with KERS have cost them some points

 

[deim0s]

Vettel's salary will skyrocket when it comes time to renew his contract.

AFAIK, Vettel's salary is around 8 million this 2011.

 

[Chris R]

So does anyone have a high resolution image of Monza from a helicopter similar to the one posted of Spa a week ago or so? I need a new desktop background!

 

[Shaneus]

arguably their reliability problems with KERS have cost them some points

Mainly with Webber, though. What was the deal with it being (usually) only him with KERS issues?

 

[Ark]

Mainly with Webber, though. What was the deal with it being (usually) only him with KERS issues?

Karma for having little to no reliability issues last year.

 

[mclaren777]

Maldonado just qualified to be Ferrari driver

Haha!

rosberg with a lot of smoke wtf.

Did we ever figure out the cause of that smoke?

 

[Lucius86]

Did we ever figure out the cause of that smoke?

He did a mammoth fart.

 

[Shaneus]

Did we ever figure out the cause of that smoke?

I thought it was brake fluid or oil or something heating up? They did mention what it was but I don't remember exactly what they said... just the tone they said it in didn't make it seem worth worrying about.

 

[Quote]

They said it was something to do with the brakes.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Kubica will return days manager

“I can certainly say that Robert will still race,” Morelli said in an interview with RAI. “Of course, the recovery will take time and will require a long period after surgery, which is a normal process; but in a month or month and a half from now we will know when he should be able to return.”

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/267015/kubica-will-return-to-f1-manager-repeats/


Trulli: Lotus deal done for 2012

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/267061/trulli-lotus-deal-done-for-2012/

No offence to Trulli, but there's too much deadwood in F1 at the moment.


Richards interested in Renault team.

http://www.motorsport.com/#/F1/news...ire-eye-embattled-renault-report/?v=2&s=1&i=1

Renault completely pulling out and the Enstone team rebranded as Aston Martin Prodrive? Might be interesting.

 

[Dilly]

So Lotus-Renault has been whining about the Lotus name for so long only to pull out the year after?

 

[Jinjo]

That Gulf livery is so sexy.

If that article is correct we might be seeing another Dutch driver in F1 again, fuck yeah!

 

[jambo]

I just watched Senna

;__;

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I just watched Senna

;__;

Exactly how I felt.

 

[Xun]

That would be an interesting sight to see with an Aston Martin team!

Also what's the likelihood of McLaren eventually using their own engines?

 

[Goldrusher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bS7ZFvOWvT8

Schumacher's first lap on-board. Amazing footage.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Formula E press release

The Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile is the governing body for world motor sport and the federation of the world's leading motoring organisations. It is a non‐profit making association and brings together 228 national motoring and sporting organisations from 132 countries on five continents. Its member clubs represent millions of motorists and their families. In the context of an increasing environmental pressure on human activities, motorsport occupies a particular position of responsibility and has a long tradition of pioneering technological progress. The FIA holds a unique position to offer a perfect showcase for the development and the promotion of innovative solutions to ensure that mobility remains environmentally friendly.

One of the federation's main objectives is to work on the creation of a new high profile championship, designed to be the flagship of the FIA's sustainable strategy: the FIA Formula E Championship ("Championship").

The FIA has set itself the target to launch this Championship in 2013. As such the federation calls for expressions of interest to identify a candidate interested in acting as the official and exclusive agent of the FIA for the organisation and promotion of the Championship under the Key Parameters defined in Appendix A, with a view to concluding a three year contract (2013, 2014 and 2015).

The selection process is open to all candidates capable of conducting such a role for the organisation and the promotion of this Championship.

• The FIA is currently calling for expression of interest from automakers and racing organizations.
• Teams have until October 14th to respond and will be required to sign a three-year contract.
• The racing series, if launched, will be called Formula E.
• Formula E's inaugural race is tentatively scheduled for sometime in 2013.
• Formula E racers will likely battle for electric supremacy in major cities around the world.
• Vehicles are to be of the open-wheel design and must be 100-percent electric.
• Minimum vehicle weight will be 780 kilograms (1,720 pounds), driver included.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/Documents/fia-formula-e.pdf

 

[brotkasten]

I'd be okay with Renault leaving F1, as long as they take Boullier with them. I hate that guy. It's a shame about the livery, though.

I just watched Senna

;__;

Man, I hate you. Way to make me look like the soulless asshole I am. :lol

 

[Edmond Dantès]

That would be an interesting sight to see with an Aston Martin team!

Also what's the likelihood of McLaren eventually using their own engines?

That's what Ron Dennis wants, so the likelihood is quite high.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Electric race car at the Nordschleife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si4S-88xWio

Sounds interesting...

 

[jey_16]

I think that they raised his salary for another million. He got shitload of cash with his WDC last year, but he is quite humble cash wise.

From that numbers we can see that Ferrari is wasting A LOT of money on their drivers salaries - 44 million vs 25 milllion at Mclaren

Jean Todt's son is Massa's manager plus he signed a new contract in 2008 or early 2009 when he was at the peak of his powers. He must have a lot of friends there considering he has been there for so many years but i can't see him staying beyond 2012

It's not like Ferrari can't afford it though considering the money Marlboro and Santander are paying

 

[Shaneus]

Guarantee you that if Webber was to enter that series, he'd STILL fuck up starts... and have electrical problems.

Electric race car at the Nordschleife.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si4S-88xWio

Sounds interesting...

Would you even be able to hear anything other than traction breaking and wind in the helmet? Must be incredibly unnerving.

 

[Xun]

That's what Ron Dennis wants, so the likelihood is quite high.

Awesome.

Also Formula E sounds pretty interesting! It would be good for the electric car industry as well, since it would give a reason to invest into it further.

 

[Ponti]

Formula E press release

• The FIA is currently calling for expression of interest from automakers and racing organizations.
• Teams have until October 14th to respond and will be required to sign a three-year contract.
• The racing series, if launched, will be called Formula E.
• Formula E's inaugural race is tentatively scheduled for sometime in 2013.
• Formula E racers will likely battle for electric supremacy in major cities around the world.
• Vehicles are to be of the open-wheel design and must be 100-percent electric.
• Minimum vehicle weight will be 780 kilograms (1,720 pounds), driver included.

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/Documents/fia-formula-e.pdf

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How many laps will they get out of those, 2?

 

[Omiee]

Man i'd like the idea of a formula race with electric cars. but how long would a pit stop take to refuel lol?

 

[Juicy Bob]

Sod it. I'm just going to come out with it.

I bloody love electric cars. All that new efficiency-minded technology turns me on more than v16 1,000bhp+ supercars with more top speed than you will ever get close to driving at. Electric power is the next big frontier for motoring technology and I can't wait to see what comes out of it.

 

[Tworak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bS7ZFvOWvT8

Schumacher's first lap on-board. Amazing footage.

wow that's crazy

 

[Edmond Dantès]

How many laps will they get out of those, 2?

15 minutes worth of racing at the moment. So, a few sprint races rather, than a 2 hour F1 race.

 

[Ark]

Richards interested in Renault team.

http://www.motorsport.com/#/F1/news...ire-eye-embattled-renault-report/?v=2&s=1&i=1

Renault completely pulling out and the Enstone team rebranded as Aston Martin Prodrive? Might be interesting.

I thought Renault sold off the rest of their stake to Gennii Capital late last year? Unless you're referring to Gennii of course.

Not sure how I feel about Aston Martin entering F1 with their reluctance to do anything decent in LMP2.

 

[Omiee]

So how about audi, is there a chanse they will still enter F1 or did they just fuck everyone over with their demand of turbo engine's?

 

[Aegus]

Electric cars means one step closer to the Wipeout style future right?

 

[Sleeplessnights]

You can REALLY hear the wind and the tyres in those electric cars. Very interesting.

 

[brotkasten]

I'll be honest, I love the sound of electric cars. Another non-realistic example is the GT by Citroen from Gran Turismo 5. I really love to drive it on high speed tracks. Sure, I like the V8 version a bit more, but the sound of the electric version has something that satisfies my Sci-Fi infused inner child.

Here's the real V8 version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOHkJThJCFs

 

[Edmond Dantès]

So how about audi, is there a chanse they will still enter F1 or did they just fuck everyone over with their demand of turbo engine's?

Unlikely for now, they have more important (to them) things to worry about with the increased manufacturer interest in the LMP1 category; Nissan, Porsche, Toyota are all planning an assault on the Le Mans 24 Hours.

 

[vanty]

I'd imagine a Formula E thing would have some battery pack that can be disconnected and replaced within a minute or so.

No chance of Audi joining F1 any time soon. Yeah they are about to get a lot more competition in LMPs, plus they're selling every car they can make pretty much so no need for extra advertising from F1.

 

[Ark]

So how about audi, is there a chanse they will still enter F1 or did they just fuck everyone over with their demand of turbo engine's?

Audi is far too tied up in LMP1, they're one of the most successful Le Mans teams in history, they've no need to enter F1. Especially with Porsche and Toyota entering LMP1 in the next couple of years too.

I'd be surprised if we see anyone from the VW Group enter F1, maybe VW or Porsche as an engine supplier, but doubtful.

Although on the plus side, Honda said they would return as an engine supplier in 2014.

 

[Dynoro]

races of approx. 15 minutes in duration

Isn't that a little....short. I like the idea for city courses though.