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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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I trust your judgement better than mineS. L. said:i did it in my head, but the other way round - as in worse drivers, it is close and probably up for debate but that's how i think it is
But a driver cutting it that close either side of the fence shouldn't be driving a Ferrari. RBR and McLaren have both drivers that are clearly in the top 10, why don't the prancing horse? If there had to be anyone already in the field take his place, I'd love for it to be Di Resta. I don't really see him as being a Ferrari kinda guy, but I definitely see him doing well in a top-tier car.
Fuck, I hope Ricciardo is a lock for STR next year. Made me smile to see him make an appearance (even though it was for HRT) in that Japan app Kobayashi mentioned in his interview.mblitek said:
Which everyone should get, BTW. There's some kickass car and driver pictures as well as some heartening messages to the people of Japan. Made me tear up a little :`)
my original point was that Massa gets way too much shit on GAF and that really was all i wanted to sayShaneus said:I trust your judgement better than mine
But a driver cutting it that close either side of the fence shouldn't be driving a Ferrari. RBR and McLaren have both drivers that are clearly in the top 10, why don't the prancing horse?
There are absolutely better suited drivers for Ferrari, but that's a different story.
As for Di Resta, there is a much stronger Perez - Ferrari (Ferrari Driver Academy) connection, plus i'm sure Ferrari wouldn't mind some Carlos Slim sponsor money
Ah yeah, fair call. I think part of the reason he gets shit though is because he's a middle-tier driver in a top-tier team. Driving ability is okay, but Ferrari deserve better than what he's delivered in the past two seasons. I doubt he'd cop shit if he was in Renault, Williams or even FI and maybe Sauber.S. L. said:my original point was that Massa get's way too much shit on GAF and that really was all i wanted to say
There are absolutely better suited drivers for Ferrari, but that's a different story.
Psychotext
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No, he used to be great... and that's the only reason he's at Ferrari. Now, as you say, he's no more than decent.S. L. said:
(I used to be a big fan, and he deserved a lot of slack after the accident, but no more.)
Osiris
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S. L. said:
Not all the details of the deal have leaked, however what's known so far is it was supposed to be $36Million per year, for 5 years, dependant upon results.
However, rather than being a simple five year deal, it is an "agreement" signed on a rolling 1 year basis.
The dependant upon results bit is also interesting, as in order to keep the sponsors happy Williams were rumoured to need to achieve/maintain a 6th place in the Constructors Championship.
If so.... ouch!
Osiris
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Of course, we should also put a little historical perspective on "pay drives"
Schumy started as one (He paid Eddie Jordan £150,000 for his drive with Eddie Jordan Racing), and Ayrton Senna would never have broke into the sport if he didn't raise the sponsorship to get his feet in the door. (Sponsored eventually by his rather wealthy father).
Schumy started as one
(He paid Eddie Jordan £150,000 for his drive with Eddie Jordan Racing), and Ayrton Senna would never have broke into the sport if he didn't raise the sponsorship to get his feet in the door. (Sponsored eventually by his rather wealthy father).Weren't we going to sponsor HRT at some stage? Surely once we get that going, we can nominate whoever the hell we want. Lucius definitely, but why not someone else as well? A wildcard... like... um... one of those blow-ins who hate on Hamilton? Just for shits and giggles, of course.AcridMeat said:
Edmond Dantès
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brotkasten
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As long as he sits in the Ferrari and doesn't deliver decent results, I won't stop.S. L. said:my original point was that Massa gets way too much shit on GAF and that really was all i wanted to say
There are absolutely better suited drivers for Ferrari, but that's a different story.
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Shaneus said:
I've been operating under the assumption that's going to happen and Buemi will get the boot.
Also, if Kimi does come back to Williams, Massa gets the boot and Kubica doesn't get his spot ... anyone else think Rubens will get one more chance to run with the Prancing Pony? He's proven that when put in a good car, he can be extremely competitive still (see: Brawn, 2009). I just don't see them going and putting a rookie or a mid-field driver in a Ferrari ... well, ever.
The more I think about him, the more he's growing on me. Weird, but he definitely seems to be improving at a decent rate.Edmond Dantès said:
Just on that note, has Ferrari ever had a driver that hasn't been fairly well established? With the exception of Massa (who was fairly fresh when he started his tenure) all the others I can think of were either fairly successful or solid veteran drivers.NihonTiger90 said:
RomanticHeroX
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I really don't see the shine in Perez. He's done alright for a rookie season but he's not performing an inch above the car's level. What Ferrari should have done, of course, is drop Massa in 09 and put forth the unstoppable combination of Kimi and Alonso. Since that didn't happen the thing they should do now is drop Massa and put Rosberg in that seat.
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Shaneus said:
Just done a quick search (back to the 80s) and Eddie Irvine, Jean Alesi, Gerhard Berger and Michele Alboreto all joined Ferrari at the same stage of their career (4th season in F1) or earlier, Alesi joined in his third year.
Gilles Villeneuve's first full season was with Ferrari after doing one race with McLaren the previous year and then finishing the last 2 races of the same year season for Ferrari replacing Niki Lauda.
Also bear in mind there are more grand prix each season than their used to be, Massa's first race with Ferrari was his 53rd race, so the equivalent of joining after around 4 seasons in the 80s, so the drivers I gave earlier on all did fewer races before joining Ferrari than Massa had done.
Irvine - 32 races before joining Ferrari
Alesi - 24
Berger - 36
Alboreto - 43
Villeneuve - 1
These are just the drivers I picked out from those years, there could be a few more I've missed.
Psychotext
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Long shot, but has anyone here made use of the Silverstone hospitality suites on race day? I'm trying to organise something for next year and first hand accounts are usually much better than anything else.
brotkasten
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Should've tried Rossi for a race.DrM said:It is quite a shame for Ferrari, that they cannot produce great Italian driver.
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DrM said:It is quite a shame for Ferrari, that they cannot produce great Italian driver.
Luca Badoer
bortolotti will be in the ferrari in 3-4 years time and will dominate f1...
Edmond Dantès
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MotoGP G.O.A.T, but on four wheels he's lacking the few tenths that separates a good driver from an exceptional driver.brotkasten said:Should've tried Rossi for a race.
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Vergne versus Bortolotti is a future battle I'd like to see.Wax Free Vanilla said:
mclaren777
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I just watched the race and I'm really disappointed that Lewis was given a penalty.
Alonso was penalized for the exact same incident in Malaysia (against Hamilton).mclaren777 said:
Hamilton was running a bit close to the other drivers. Webber almost clipped Alonso in his overtake as well.
It made for a nice race though. Hamilton was doing some nice setups for turn 6.
News from Mercedes GP
Geoffrey Willis joining the team in the middle of October as new Technology director, Aldo Costa will join them as Engineering Director on 1st of December
Geoffrey Willis joining the team in the middle of October as new Technology director, Aldo Costa will join them as Engineering Director on 1st of December
Both Aldo Costa and Geoff Willis have joined Mercedes GP. I read somewhere that Chris Dyer also indicated an interesting in joining the team. Some kind of dream team that.
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/09/30/costa-and-willis-join-mercedes-gp/
http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/09/30/costa-and-willis-join-mercedes-gp/
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Seems like they may well be pushing the boat out to achieve some modicum of success.DrM said:
brotkasten
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Lets hope that Costa will be as successful as he was at Ferrari.
mclaren777
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It's one of the best Tilke tracks and it's much better than some of old legacy tracks like Monza.Omiee said:
I do have some concerns about whether the real track will be ready in time for the race next month.
brotkasten
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You do hate everything from Italy, wow.mclaren777 said:
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Foliorum Viridum
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What's going on here then? Hating Monza?
Disgusting.
Disgusting.
seattle6418
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Massa had his heart broken when he lost the championship on the last turn, and the accident was the nail in the coffin.
As a Brazilian, i support him and understand the issues, but it´s clear he´s not the same driver anymore.
Young Massa put some heat onto Schummy and outdrove Kimi for 2,5 half seasons. Now, he can´t even get a Podium finish.
It´s a shame.
As a Brazilian, i support him and understand the issues, but it´s clear he´s not the same driver anymore.
Young Massa put some heat onto Schummy and outdrove Kimi for 2,5 half seasons. Now, he can´t even get a Podium finish.
It´s a shame.
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seattle6418 said:
I would say Germany 2010 (Team order) was the coffin nail for Massa.
Till Germany the gap between Alonso and him was not that big.
Betta Lines
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He also used to regularly out-qualify Alonso. The guy was possibly the fastest hot-lapper in F1.
I hope that this is just an extended period of bad form for him. If not, then the accident really did make him lose that edge.
I hope that this is just an extended period of bad form for him. If not, then the accident really did make him lose that edge.
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Burai said:
My god, GAF has a man crush on Raikkonen that just won´t stop.
Why is it so difficult to people to admit that Massa was better than Kimi in the 2008, 2009 and also for half of the 2007 season?
It´s not rocket science folks.
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