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[Ixion]

As someone who has not bothered yet with the technical details and just wants to see the movie, will there be a 48 fps 2D version as well or just the 3D one?

48 FPS is only in 3D.

 

[Winnie the Pimp]

Pretty sure its 48ps only for 3D. 24 for 2D.

Ok so the 48 fps technology is inherently linked to 3D only then or is that just the way they are doing things with this movie?

 

[ascii42]

Ok so the 48 fps technology is inherently linked to 3D only then or is that just the way they are doing things with this movie?

Just the way they are doing things with this movie.

 

[Allard]

Ok so the 48 fps technology is inherently linked to 3D only then or is that just the way they are doing things with this movie?

Just the way it is done with this movie, 48 FPS is being shown to limited amount of theaters already and you need some of the newer digital projectors to pull it off, projectors that are normally given to 3D movies for new releases.

 

[Winnie the Pimp]

Just the way it is done with this movie, 48 FPS is being shown to limited amount of theaters already and you need some of the newer digital projectors to pull it off, projectors that are normally given to 3D movies for new releases.

Shame, so if i don't like 3D normally but am interested in 48 fps i am just SOL ;(

 

[Dreamwriter]

Shame, so if i don't like 3D normally but am interested in 48 fps i am just SOL ;(

The good news is, if you don't like 3D because it gives you headaches, HFR is supposed to really improve that

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Sir Christopher Lee on Saruman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKvkaEipcN0

 

[anaron]

Peter Jackson, Ian McKellen Defend Making 'The Hobbit' a Trilogy

kay

 

[Kud Dukan]

Live video interview with Peter Jackson on right now at GoldDerby.com:
http://www.goldderby.com/

 

[Ixion]

Live video interview with Peter Jackson on right now at GoldDerby.com:
http://www.goldderby.com/

That's a nice hotel he's staying at.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Farmer Giles of Ham would make a lovely children's animation.

It features another charismatic dragon in the shape of Chrysophylax Dives and many themes with The Hobbit. It doesn't take place in Tolkien's Arda legendarium though, but in Oxfordshire.

Not sure if the general public would take to Tolkien tales not set in Middle-earth. Even Tolkien fans tend to overlook it.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Why, despite the furor, Jackson believes in 48fps and high definition frame rates.

The levels of detail are similar to 'The Lord of the Rings.' The HD cameras you see more so you can see more detail but fortunately the team we have in New Zealand – the WETA Workshop, who design everything – have always wanted to put in a lot of detail. To me, fantasy should be as real as possible. I don't buy into the notion that since it's fantasy it should be unrealistic. The levels of detail are very important. The 65mm films that people used to shoot in was virtually a high definition of the film world, very fine grain film stock. And when we were setting out to do 'Lord of the Rings' we explored doing it in 65mm. The camera equipment was very cumbersome and we were going to have to develop the film in America even though we were making them in New Zealand… But it was something I wanted to do in that time. That big screen epic experience, the more immersive it is, that's the sort of thing I like.

About the divisive reactions to 48fps thus far
I'm fascinated by the reactions. I'm tending to see that anyone under the age of 20 or so doesn't really care and thinks it looks cool and doesn't really understand it. They think the 3D looks really cool. I think 3D at 24 frames is interesting but it's the 48 that allows the 3D to achieve the potential that it can achieve because it's less eyestrain and you have a sharper picture which creates a more dimensional world.

The history of it was that I had seen a couple of high frame rate movies. I remember going to Disneyland and seeing the Star Tours ride, which is a high frame rate film, where you're speeding in the "Star Wars" spaceship. And I had experience with it a few years ago – I directed a "King Kong" attraction for Universal Studios in California, which was a 60-frames-a-second 3D surround film on the tram ride. And I thought, Wow, this is so cool, I wish we could do a feature like this! But the mechanical projectors in the cinemas around the world were locked into 24 frames.

But the advent of digital projects allow for this to happen. The editor we worked with went to a technical convention and he said, "If you're interested in a high frame rate, now is the time, because the projector manufacturers can probably do it and the cameras are going to be able to do it." So we decided to take the plunge. Warner Bros. was very supportive, they just wanted some assurance that the 24 frames version would look absolutely normal, which it does. But once they were happy with that, they were happy, but we had to push that button that said "48 frames." When we started filming there probably wasn't a cinema in the world that could project 48 frames in that format. It was a leap of faith.


But the thing to realize too is that it's not an attempt to change the film industry. It's another choice. The projectors that can run at 48 frames can run at 24 frames. You can shoot a movie in 24 frames and have sequences in 48 frames or 60 frames within the body of the film; you can do all the shutter angle effects, the "Saving Private Ryan" strobing effects. It doesn't necessarily change the way films are going to be made but it's another choice filmmakers can have. For me it gave it more of that reality, that immersive-ness. It makes it feel like you're leaving the cinema seat and becoming a part of the adventure.
I've been watching it for a year watching hours and hours and hours of it. With 3D, your left and right eye are seeing two different pictures. And with 24 frames you're getting strobing and motion blur, your brain is trying to put this stuff together. And the more artifacts in the capture, your brain is struggling to resolve those two images. And 48 frames reduces those artifacts and makes for a smoother picture. As human beings we always have resistance to things that are different. I was a Beatles fan and I remember in the eighties when CDs came out and there was a sound of vinyl that people loved and suddenly CDs were threatening the sound of vinyl. I remember reading something that the Beatles said that they would never have their albums on CD because it was too clear and all the bad notes would be exposed. So you're never going to hear a Beatles tune on CD. There was all this hysteria.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...ilbo-more-20121205?page=2#blogPostHeaderPanel

 

[Darryl]

why is every one so worried about ratings or what websites think? you are in this thread because you like the lord of the rings and the hobbit so you want to see it. just wait for it to come out and go see the movie. quit worrying about what others think and don't go in with any expectations, you might enjoy it. don't look at the previews or clips, don't read reviews. just go see it because a movie will never be as good as the first time you see it. go in knowing nothing.

i don't care so much about what the ratings mean to me but what it means for the film. if you like the fantasy genre, you want the fantasy genre to succeed. if Hobbit does really well, it'll bring about a mainstream resurgence just like with what Avengers did in the superhero genre. new books, new TV shows, new films, etc. i'm personally hoping that during the commotion, we'll get a name of the wind TV miniseries.

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

i don't care so much about what the ratings mean to me but what it means for the film. if you like the fantasy genre, you want the fantasy genre to succeed. if Hobbit does really well, it'll bring about a mainstream resurgence just like with what Avengers did in the superhero genre. new books, new TV shows, new films, etc. i'm personally hoping that during the commotion, we'll get a name of the wind TV miniseries.

The superhero genre has been on a comeback since Bryan Singer's X-Men in 2000.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

The superhero genre has been on a comeback since Bryan Singer's X-Men in 2000.

Thank you.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

if Hobbit does really well, it'll bring about a mainstream resurgence just like with what Avengers did in the superhero genre. new books, new TV shows, new films, etc. i'm personally hoping that during the commotion, we'll get a name of the wind TV miniseries.

You know LOTR was kind of a big deal, a handful of people went to see it in theaters and I think it won a few Academy Awards even. Don't really recall a mainstream resurgence of the fantasy genre following it, though.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

You know LOTR was kind of a big deal, a handful of people went to see it in theaters and I think it won a few Academy Awards even. Don't really recall a mainstream resurgence of the fantasy genre following it, though.

For real? Narnia films, Golden Compass - hell, even the latest Snow White is a direct product of the success of the LotR films.

 

[Darryl]

The superhero genre has been on a comeback since Bryan Singer's X-Men in 2000.

yea, same thing. i wasn't trying to make a perfect example, I was really just thinking about Justice League. i don't mean in just films, either.

You know LOTR was kind of a big deal, a handful of people went to see it in theaters and I think it won a few Academy Awards even. Don't really recall a mainstream resurgence of the fantasy genre following it, though.

WoW got really big with mainstream audiences. some people might call that fantasy-genre

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Let's get some good fantasy films then.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

For real? Narnia films, Golden Compass - hell, even the latest Snow White is a direct product of the success of the LotR films.

Golden Compass? I guess you're calling that a victory because it was made? Cause it was a pretty big flop and never spawned any sequels.

I'll give you Narnia, that probably would never have been tackled if not for LOTR, and it is a series that has had some legs.

But Snow White & the Huntsman? I'm not sure that a film coming out 9 years after ROTK helps prove the point that there was a fantasy resurgence following the LOTR movies.

In comparison to the superhero movie genre revival starting around 2000, there's no question which genre has been exploding. We now expect at least several blockbuster superhero movies a year. We're lucky when we get several blockbuster fantasy movies in a year.

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

Ah, Golden Compass. Another childhood classic ruined.

 

[Blizzard]

Farmer Giles of Ham would make a lovely children's animation.

It features another charismatic dragon in the shape of Chrysophylax Dives and many themes with The Hobbit. It doesn't take place in Tolkien's Arda legendarium though, but in Oxfordshire.

Not sure if the general public would take to Tolkien tales not set in Middle-earth. Even Tolkien fans tend to overlook it.

I liked the introductory sentence or two from that book. I probably can't remember it close to word for word, but something like:

"Long ago, in a land far away, but not so very long ago, for those with long memories, nor so very far away, for those with long legs, there lived a farmer."

 

[Dreamwriter]

Golden Compass? I guess you're calling that a victory because it was made? Cause it was a pretty big flop and never spawned any sequels.

Doesn't matter, it's a fantasy film that probably wouldn't have seen the light of day if it weren't for LotR and Harry Potter (you really have to lump those two together, because they came out at the same time). Unfortunately, the movie studio guaranteed that the sequels wouldn't ever see the light of day by completely ruining the ending, the order of events, and thus the movie in general.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

Doesn't matter, it's a fantasy film that probably wouldn't have seen the light of day if it weren't for LotR and Harry Potter (you really have to lump those two together, because they came out at the same time).

It's not like fantasy films didn't exist prior to LOTR or Harry Potter, though. Willow, Conan, The 13th Warrior, Dragonheart, etc. LOTR probably made film executives pay more attention to the genre, but it's likely that some of those movies would have been made otherwise.

Once again, to compare to the superhero genre, outside of the Superman and Batman films of the 80s and 90s, there wasn't much going on. Then late 90s/early 2000s hit, and we've got X-Men, Spiderman, Daredevil, Elektra, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, Dark Knight Trilogy, Superman Returns, Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Hulk, etc. That genre blew up in a big way, whereas fantasy has always been more of a slow burn. It certainly got a boost from LOTR/Harry Potter, but I would hardly have called it a "resurgence."

 

[DodgerSan]

Farmer Giles of Ham would make a lovely children's animation.

It features another charismatic dragon in the shape of Chrysophylax Dives and many themes with The Hobbit. It doesn't take place in Tolkien's Arda legendarium though, but in Oxfordshire.

Not sure if the general public would take to Tolkien tales not set in Middle-earth. Even Tolkien fans tend to overlook it.

Just finished reading this, Leaf by Niggle and Smith of Wooton Major to my daughter. Of them all, her favourite character was Garm

 

[Darryl]

It's not like fantasy films didn't exist prior to LOTR or Harry Potter, though. Willow, Conan, The 13th Warrior, Dragonheart, etc. LOTR probably made film executives pay more attention to the genre, but it's likely that some of those movies would have been made otherwise.

Once again, to compare to the superhero genre, outside of the Superman and Batman films of the 80s and 90s, there wasn't much going on. Then late 90s/early 2000s hit, and we've got X-Men, Spiderman, Daredevil, Elektra, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, Dark Knight Trilogy, Superman Returns, Green Lantern, Ghost Rider, Hulk, etc. That genre blew up in a big way, whereas fantasy has always been more of a slow burn. It certainly got a boost from LOTR/Harry Potter, but I would hardly have called it a "resurgence."

i think you're missing a lot of the point. these movie trends definitely have ripple effects. i think a lot of people were confused and ill-prepared when LoTR came by. there were no really good movies being made to help steal that thunder away from it outside of Harry Potter - but WoW just so happened to release next year and it made huge amounts of money. the interest in fantasy was still there, nobody was ready for it. the few movies that released afterwards were all flops - i'm thinking of golden compass, eragon, etc.

now, though, the genre has already made it's way into the mainstream. skyrim, game of thrones. just the other day I started reading a fantasy novel because I found out that it's being made into a BBC miniseries. same with stuff like American Gods. the chance of a LoTR happening is low and I think it's very likely that if the Hobbit is a success, we'll see a stronger resurgence of the genre. i'm more looking forward than into history, is what i'm saying.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

now, though, the genre has already made it's way into the mainstream. skyrim, game of thrones. just the other day I started reading a fantasy novel because I found out that it's being made into a BBC miniseries. same with stuff like American Gods. the chance of a LoTR happening is low and I think it's very likely that if the Hobbit is a success, we'll see a stronger resurgence of the genre. i'm more looking forward than into history, is what i'm saying.

They're making a TV series of 'Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell'? Yes, yes. I am most pleased.

As for American Gods, that book can go fuck itself. I love Gaiman, but that book is just so goddamn boring. Great idea, poor execution. The follow-up short story, 'Monarch of the Glen', was far more enjoyable IMO.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

WB responds to the bullshit motion sickness reports.

“We have been screening the full-length HFR 3D presentation of THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY extensively and feedback has been extremely positive, with none of thousands who have seen the film projected in this format expressing any of the issues described by two anonymous sources in media reports. We share the filmmakers’ belief that by offering filmgoers the additional choice of HFR 3D, alongside traditional viewing formats, they have an opportunity to be part of a groundbreaking advancement in the moviegoing experience and we look forward to having audiences everywhere share in this new way of storytelling.”

 

[maquiladora]

WB responds to the bullshit motion sickness reports.

Every one of the motion sickness articles are all copies of the same quotes that originally came from one Sunday Times story that mention tweets and quotes from "fans" but not giving any names, and the tweets cannot be found on Twitter. Article was bullshit.

Plenty of people don't like 48fps, but nobody with a name complained about feeling sick from it.

 

[megateto]

Do we have any data on the added rendering costs of going 48fps?

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Do we have any data on the added rendering costs of going 48fps?

We do not. And I doubt they would ever be released.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Jesus Christ people get over the whole 48FPS already. Are we gonna need a separate thread for that?

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Jesus Christ people get over the whole 48FPS already. Are we gonna need a separate thread for that?

IT'S KIND OF A BIG DEAL.

Also, nobody here has scene the film and those of us wishing to avoid story spoilers have to talk about something else.

 

[Napalm_Frank]

So I'm a lil unsure about something. We know

Spoiler

Thranduil and apparently Smaug make a brief appearance but do we know if we see a glimpse of the Necromancer? I'm most interested to see his design. I have lil hope since the OST has a small Mordor theme bit but who knows if it plays when his lackeys are on screen :/.

 

[bengraven]

Farmer Giles would make the coolest fucking CGI flick.

Then again, they'd probably make him 17 and in love with a princess.

Unless it was Pixar.

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

So I'm a lil unsure about something. We know

Spoiler

Thranduil and apparently Smaug make a brief appearance but do we know if we see a glimpse of the Necromancer? I'm most interested to see his design. I have lil hope since the OST has a small Mordor theme bit but who knows if it plays when his lackeys are on screen :/.

Spoiler

You do see him.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Spoiler

You do see him.

You should spoiler that.

OT's pretty much done. It'll be up soon.

 

[rekameohs]

So we had a little LOTR rewatch to get back in the Middle Earth spirit. Still love them all.

One question that I have is why can't another powerful person forge another ring in Mount Doom? It's not like the volacano was destroyed. This is coming from someone who's never read the book, and I'm sure it's easily explainable, so I figured to ask the resident Tolkein experts here.

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

You should spoiler that.

OT's pretty much done. It'll be up soon.

I've spoilered it but there was nothing spoilery about my reply unless someone deliberately opened Frank's spoiler.

So we had a little LOTR rewatch to get back in the Middle Earth spirit. Still love them all.

One question that I have is why can't another powerful person forge another ring in Mount Doom? It's not like the volacano was destroyed. This is coming from someone who's never read the book, and I'm sure it's easily explainable, so I figured to ask the resident Tolkein experts here.

Who would you suggest to do that? Therein lies your answer I think.

 

[rekameohs]

Who would you suggest to do that? Therein lies your answer I think.

So I guess in this mythos, Sauron was the most powerful and the only one that could do it?

 

[Edmond Dantès]

So we had a little LOTR rewatch to get back in the Middle Earth spirit. Still love them all.

One question that I have is why can't another powerful person forge another ring in Mount Doom? It's not like the volacano was destroyed. This is coming from someone who's never read the book, and I'm sure it's easily explainable, so I figured to ask the resident Tolkein experts here.

Only Sauron had the skill to create such a ring as he was once before the creation of the planet an apprentice of sorts of the Vala known as Aule who was a specialist in craftsmanship. It was Aule who first engineered the Dwarves before Eru (god) gifted them with life.

No being left in Middle-earth had the kind of knowledge and skill required to create another a rival ring, only Sauron.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Does Sauron do piercings? Nipple rings?

 

[rekameohs]

Thanks. I figured it was something of the sort.

 

[Watevaman]

Only Sauron had the skill to create such a ring as he was once before the creation of the planet an apprentice of sorts of the Vala known as Aule who was a specialist in craftsmanship. It was Aule who first engineered the Dwarves before Eru (god) gifted them with life.

No being left in Middle-earth had the kind of knowledge and skill required to create another a rival ring, only Sauron.

I'm also not very knowledgeable with the Tolkien universe, but what is the relationship between Morgoth and Sauron and why couldn't Morgoth have made this ring long ago? Sauron was his right hand, was he not?

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Does Sauron do piercings? Nipple rings?

I'm tempted to search that thread asking if Saruman masturbates.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

So I guess in this mythos, Sauron was the most powerful and the only one that could do it?

Sauron was one of the most powerful of the Maia who were the equivalent of lesser angels. The Valar who were the equivalent of Archangels who were the most powerful beings inhabiting the planet known as Arda with Middle-earth being a continent on it. It would be the equivalent of Europe. Above them all was Eru Iluvatar the god of Tolkien's mythos.

Sauron as powerful as he was, still paled in significance to his master; Melkor who was the mightiest of all the Valar before been cast out of their ranks after his rebellion. He was the equivalent of Lucifer in the mythos. The origin of all evil and the corrupter of Sauron, who was once known as Mairon before joining the ranks of the rebellious spirits.

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

So I guess in this mythos, Sauron was the most powerful and the only one that could do it?

It's the latter point than the former. Sauron was definitely not the most powerful bad guy, which gives you a sense of scale of shit in Tolkien's world. The entire War of the Ring boils down to a fight against a crippled Sauron.

It may as well be a footnote.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I'm also not very knowledgeable with the Tolkien universe, but what is the relationship between Morgoth and Sauron and why couldn't Morgoth have made this ring long ago? Sauron was his right hand, was he not?

Morgoth didn't need a ring. The planet was his ring. He defiled much of it during his wars with the Valar and imparted much of his evil in it, before his banishment. To defeat Sauron utterly the One Ring would have to be destroyed and was. To be rid of Morgoth the planet would have to be destroyed and a new one created. He was the devil.

 

[sc0la]

Does Sauron do piercings? Nipple rings?

Do you really want an answer to that? Plot spoiler for the Hobbit...

 

[Hale-XF11]

Peter Jackson, Ian McKellen Defend Making 'The Hobbit' a Trilogy

kay

So...I'm reading that page and look over and see this...

..and I swear I thought she was giving me the finger.