[The Infographics Show] The REAL Reason Xbox is Failing
GHG
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Xbox consoles have been a meme in normie circles since the start of the generation. At least across the middle east anyway.
Dr. Wilkinson
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Stupid clickbait nonsense. Lost me at "REAL" reason. Real headlines contain news, not a flashy sign saying they have news.
Dr. Wilkinson
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Yeah. You don't say?
A clickbaity YouTube channel is unreliable.
Really makes you think
Topher
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Three minutes in........Xbox is failing due to Xbox Series S? If I'm going to lead with one reason why Xbox is failing then I'm going to be talking about Xbox One right out of the gate. This video is just summarizing events of the current generation, but the problems go much deeper than that for Xbox consoles.
Edit: They do eventually address Xbox One.
Edit: They do eventually address Xbox One.
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DeltaPolarBear
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It was the biggest own-goal this gen, at least. Some of the most popular games became accidental timed exclusives because of Series S memory limits.
Kilau
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IFireflyl
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HeisenbergFX4
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The start of the downfall in 21 seconds
Topher
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Astray
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Xbox has consistently been a joke in the Middle East, which is fitting because Sony has been paying attention and reaping massive benefits.
Ignoring ROW markets has consistently been Xbox's biggest achilles heel imo, it limited their successes and magnified their failures in a lot of ways.
HeisenbergFX4
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Further destruction in another 21 seconds
Horseganador
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Xbox as a brand was mortally wounded since 2013. Only MS's endless money has kept it on life support until now. There's no single reason for its downfall; there have been many reasons over the years.
Phil's face says it all, he knew he was making a Saturn E3 1995.
Phil's face says it all, he knew he was making a Saturn E3 1995.
Unknown?
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The start was the end of the 360 when they abandoned their audience to focus on casual games. It brought in casuals for kinect but soured the core gamers.
noob smokes
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Hardware is tanking but the software is flourishing
Im sure ms is happy with that seen as theyre a software company
Im sure ms is happy with that seen as theyre a software company
Insanemaelstrom
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There are n number of reasons. And reasons differ from person to person. For me it was the games.
I love story focused games with good gameplay and most of the best ones are ps exclusives. So I bought a ps4. I loved my ps5, so I bought a ps5.
I also have a pc, and if I decide to upgrade, I might not get a ps6, because Sony games are also on pc.
I love story focused games with good gameplay and most of the best ones are ps exclusives. So I bought a ps4. I loved my ps5, so I bought a ps5.
I also have a pc, and if I decide to upgrade, I might not get a ps6, because Sony games are also on pc.
Daneel Elijah
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Funny video, full of innacuracies and exagerations. But they do talk about kinect, the Xbox one failed launch and even of the sony video teaching us how to share PS4 games. Even talked about specifics games like Baldur gate 3 and Genshin impact. As the first post said it first, the video is great to talk about how casuals can feel about the Xbox brand more than a real analysis of Microsoft strategy in the last decade.
For me it also shows that Xbox marketing is pretty weak rigth now and it will be funny to see how will they try to have a proper message for the launch of their next gen console. This year "E3" will be fascinating.
For me it also shows that Xbox marketing is pretty weak rigth now and it will be funny to see how will they try to have a proper message for the launch of their next gen console. This year "E3" will be fascinating.
LordCBH
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I think the downfall started a few years before that with their big Kinect push, but this was the biggest and most visible drop.
Only one game of consequence, tbh. BG3 didn't set any console records. And of course, Wukong was just last year, long after the hardware trajectory was determined.
Is that truly it?
FrankWza
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Halo Forza and gears are flourishing?
LordCBH
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I'd say Forza is thanks to the Horizon series. But Gears hasn't had a release since 2019, and Halo hasn't had a good release since 2010.
DeltaPolarBear
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The trajectory was determined LAST GEN. WuKong matters as it shows the FUTURE of third party games. Cross gen games run on Series S fine. It is all the actual current gen games in the future that people worry about. And WuKong is too big a release to be ignored as an exception.
People look at GTA6 and wonder if Series S could even run it, and they have a reason to worry. It only gets worse as time goes buy, it doesn't get easier.
Topher
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Xbox leadership made so many bad decisions in launching Xbox One. Forcing Kinect into the box, the price, the lower powered specs and making it questionable whether used games would even work. They could have simply released a Xbox 3 as a powerful next gen Xbox without all the bullshit and brought forward their 80+ million install base. Instead they squandered it all for some stupid gimmicks and a massive chunk of gamers abandoned the platform.
Yeah, there was nothing new in this video. Decent summary of events for those that don't follow the industry I guess.
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RetroGamingUK
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Video is clearly discussing the consoles.
And yet all the third party games after Wukong have run on the Series S, and there's no indication now that there's any change looming.
In the context of that video, it is fine to highlight it as an exception. Xbox hardware sales had already fallen off a cliff long before Wukong showed up.
why would anyone who bought a cheap console be beset with worries? People know what they signed up for. It'll run worse than on the Series X.
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Yes, this presentation has caused billions in damage to the brand that they have never been able to reverse. Ironically, in the digital ownership age, we got everything that nobody wanted and rejected back then. With the difference that the ideas at that time were more consumer-friendly than they are today (e.g. sharing and passing on digital licenses).
Ironically, Xbox would now be at the point with the games where they can counter the competition well. However, they came up with the brilliant idea of burning 70 billion and putting the gaming division on the shareholders' shortlist. Better management and instead of 70 billion 7-10 in a few good studio acquisitions would have done things better. But Xbox and good management are probably as compatible as oil and water.
The aggressive multiplatform strategy will burn up the company's own hardware and store fronts in long term. It has already destroyed the remaining trust of consumers. I mean, I'm not a big fish. But if I ran my management and communication like this, I would have been out of a job a long time ago.
With the Series S, you could have simply left 2 GB more VRAM in and (probably not even necessary) a few more GPU cores (4 -> 6 tflops). The exaggerated cost-cutting measures here have caused serious damage to the Series line.
th4tguy
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Xbox is where it is because they destroyed their momentum going into the most important generation ever.
Starting with the ps4 and xbone, Sony and MS began the foundation for the digital ecosystem that will carry on from gen to gen going forward.
It's almost impossible to convince someone to switch from one ecosystem to another when it means leaving an entire library of games behind.
Just look at Steam as an example.
MS has tons of good momentum going into the last gen and lost almost all of it with their poor hardware, marketing, and development decisions.
People flocked to the ps4 and established large digital libraries which have now carried into the current gen and will continue into the next.
This gen, they got the hardware and marketing better but lacked the exclusive catalog that would have been needed to get people back. It would have been slow and hard but they could have done it. Instead they now have the good exclusive catalog but instead decided to make it available everywhere. Great for keeping money coming in but not great for getting people to buy your systems.
Why would anyone with a ps5 want to buy and Xbox when you know you are going to get the MS games ?
Starting with the ps4 and xbone, Sony and MS began the foundation for the digital ecosystem that will carry on from gen to gen going forward.
It's almost impossible to convince someone to switch from one ecosystem to another when it means leaving an entire library of games behind.
Just look at Steam as an example.
MS has tons of good momentum going into the last gen and lost almost all of it with their poor hardware, marketing, and development decisions.
People flocked to the ps4 and established large digital libraries which have now carried into the current gen and will continue into the next.
This gen, they got the hardware and marketing better but lacked the exclusive catalog that would have been needed to get people back. It would have been slow and hard but they could have done it. Instead they now have the good exclusive catalog but instead decided to make it available everywhere. Great for keeping money coming in but not great for getting people to buy your systems.
Why would anyone with a ps5 want to buy and Xbox when you know you are going to get the MS games ?
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The_Observer
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Until Kinect in the 360 days they were doing so good. Then they said let's burn it all down with the One. They started coming back but they had to fail again with the Series S. They are like the loser who has no idea what he is doing but has a lot of money so he just gets by somehow always.
Edit: and then there is gamepass which cannot sustain AAA in the long run (which was so obvious for anyone with common sense) so they have to release their exclusives on other platforms as well and even then I'm not sure they can keep it like this for too long
Edit: and then there is gamepass which cannot sustain AAA in the long run (which was so obvious for anyone with common sense) so they have to release their exclusives on other platforms as well and even then I'm not sure they can keep it like this for too long
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simpatico
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Nah, they lost the mainstream casual NBA2K and COD gamer with the Bone. They would have the perfect opportunity to clobber Sony this gen if they hadn't. Sadly the die was cast before the gen even started. Between GamePass and the Series S superweapon, they would be so tough to beat. Sony completely dumped their most die-hard fans with the GaaS strategy. So much opportunity squandered.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I mean it's not hard for even a filthy casual grandma to point out why Xbox consoles are a failed venture these days. It's that obvious at this point :/
diffusionx
Gold Member
I'm not going to watch this but it's not hard to figure out, they had a 10 year run of nonexistent game output. They kept people loyal to the platform by giving them access to games for a very low price, but now those people won't buy the good games they release. So they have a dwindling fanbase that is trained to not pay money for games.
It's quite a feat.
It's quite a feat.
The One was a bad idea and a bad design and a bad system but look back to the exclusive list in the first couple years and it's a gazillion times better than the Series X has gotten.
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BigLee74
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You know, I forgot that they forced the Kinect onto everybody when they released the Xbox One. It was good for voice control until the novelty wore off, and that was it. Awful game implementations.
Imagine how much cheaper the Xbox One could have been without it? They definitely lost their way in that generation, and have never recovered.
Imagine how much cheaper the Xbox One could have been without it? They definitely lost their way in that generation, and have never recovered.
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Topher
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diffusionx
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The voice control didnt even work on Xbox One when it launched. Sony had the same feature with a cheap webcam and it worked wayyyyy better.
One kind of neat future they announced - you could just hold up a gift card to the Kinect and scan it instead of typing in a 800 character code - didn't work either.
So yea it was expensive, weak, had this accessory that didn't work, a total disaster.
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BigLee74
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I don't recall it not working, but it was near useless (and I had to try and speak with an American accent to get any degree of accuracy - despite training it). I remember coming in from work, sitting down with a pizza, saying 'Xbox on….Netfix', and being amazed when Netflix popped up. I then had to get off my arse to fetch the controller anyway, as you couldn't do anything inside the Netflix app with voice activation.
Waste of time
Mr Hyde
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LordCBH
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That one actually worked for me lol. And then they abandoned them within a year and a half and stopped printing the QR codes
diffusionx
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I don't recall it not working, but it was near useless (and I had to try and speak with an American accent to get any degree of accuracy - despite training it). I remember coming in from work, sitting down with a pizza, saying 'Xbox on….Netfix', and being amazed when Netflix popped up. I then had to get off my arse to fetch the controller anyway, as you couldn't do anything inside the Netflix app with voice activation.
Waste of time
Wow this shit actually worked for some people. Not me! And yea great point - once you got into the apps they built no support for the voice inside them.
