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The Legend of Korra: Book 4 |OT2| ALL HAIL THE GREAT UNITER

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I'm afraid I'm still not getting you then. What more would you have liked to see to find the relationship convincing? Or did you simply want more time focused on them? In which case it likely would have been more of the same ambiguous buddy-buddy at face value stuff they've shown already.

And calling it a double standard really doesn't fly. That implies that straight and same-sex relationships are treated equally, which, in today's world, is unfortunately not the case. If I were to say, for example, that Korra and Opal together would have been dull and called Korra and Asami exciting and progressive, then we'd have a hell of a double standard.
I'm sorry, but I don't think you're reading my posts. Yes, more time is exactly what it needed, it doesn't matter if it's in the same vain as the ones we already have because those moments were good and they worked, the problem is the amount we were given barely quantifies as a handful.

And the equality, or rather, the lack there of in real world hetero and homo relationships has no bearing on this conversation because I'm talking about quality of writing. It doesn't get a break from its poor execution because it's about a bi/lesbian couple, if it does then, yes, it's a double standard.
 
*patiently awaits for AvatarGAF community OT*

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Hamlet

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For the people not interested in weird fan fic and animated relationships, what do we watch now?

Plenty of great animated comedies out there. Steven universe and Gravity Falls are pretty fantastic.
There's not really many western action cartoons sadly out there anymore. Star Wars Rebels is supposed to be quite good from what I hear.

On the anime side Shingeki no Bahamut Genesis has been really good from what i've watched of it.
 
Looking back I'm so proud of Bolin. Not a single cringeworthy moment from him during the finale. I was afraid he was gonna pull another sock moment with Kuvira but nope. Kept being awesome

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Damn good show. This clip is what got me interested in the first place.

Ironically the Justice League barely does anything in the show. But to be fair it is about the sidekicks.

Danggg Batman went INNNN he was like "So that he wouldn't"
 
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Xpike

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So from the time since ATLA ended... GAF never had an Avatar community OT?

It never had a Metal Gear Community until this year either, it's one of those things that no one ever though to make.
 

CDiggity

Member
Hm, what would you have done with them?

Asami is easy, she needed more presence. She was practically moving scenery for most of book 2-4. When you forget a member of "Team Avatar" exists. You have done something wrong. There is nothing wrong with her personality, she just got screwed by the writers...or they couldn't pay her VA.

Korra is a bit tougher. But for the longest time, she became a cosmic plaything more or less. Things just happened to her, both to get her in and out of trouble. I understand it's called the Legend of Korra, and it's about her development from hotheaded teenager to mature Avatar, but I can't buy into this development because of the lack of agency she had a lot of the time. And even when things happened that go against this concept, I found it hard to overcome my other impressions. It is hard to care about a main character, when you don't care for their story.
 

Luigi87

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Looking forward to a community rewatch, if we're having one.

Lurking these threads, and seeing that all of ATLA is on Canada Netflix, I fully await a community rewatch to partake in.


Also, being a figure collector... really wish Nick would license out the series on the whole to Japanese figure manufacturers... Just throwin' that out there.
 
I'm sorry, but I don't think you're reading my posts. Yes, more time is exactly what it needed, it doesn't matter if it's in the same vain as the ones we already have because those moments were good and they worked, the problem is the amount we were given barely quantifies as a handful.

And the equality, or rather, the lack there of in real world hetero and homo relationships has no bearing on this conversation because I'm talking about quality of writing. It doesn't get a break from its poor execution because it's about a bi/lesbian couple, if it does then, yes, it's a double standard.
I'm reading your posts, I'm just having a hard time following. I want to understand you.

I don't see the point of doing more of the same of what we've already been shown. If I had taken their interactions the way you did outright, then I would have found it tiresome to see them go on and on with that when the precious little time the show had could be used for more plot-important things. Not to mention that, for those like me who did not see it coming, if they had ramped up the amount of interactions between Korra and Asami throughout the show, they'd run the risk of cluing us in too early, thus ruining the surprise.

As for the double standard...I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. The argument hinges on whether or not it was poorly executed. You think it was. I thought it was fine. And I would have felt the same way if it were a male character in Asami's place. Underwhelmed by the outcome honestly, but the same about the execution.
 
Being an Avatar definitely doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies.

You cannot stop me

The last scene just smacks you in the face with how romantic it is if you are familiar with the symbolism used in the series. I can't believe that some people still claim its platonic.
 

Durask

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Mako is fine where he is. He needed to figure out who he was without using a romantic partner as a crutch. Wu isn't going to be king so he's not going to be a bodyguard.

He's going to go back to being a detective because that's what he wanted to do in the first place.

He's on the road to end up like his boss - aging, single and bitter.
 
That's when he discovers he is actually a time bender and travels around in a phone box
Mako is the reincarnation of every person severely friendzoned by an Avatar. It's its own separate reincarnation cycle. He'll die when Korra dies for the cycle to renew again.
 

Durask

Member
One thing I realized.

If Asami were a guy, my final impression would have been:

WTF is the MC eloping with this background dude?
 

DedValve

Banned
So um....that ending was....

Damn. I waited 2 days for that? At least I had smash to play with friends but wow. I mean I sort of got korrasami but....wow. That was nowhere near as intense with god awful cgi all over the place.

...at least I got korrasami. Sort of. Wait I already said that.

Ok, I want some good breakdowns. Where are the good posts I missed?
 

Magwik

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So um....that ending was....

Damn. I waited 2 days for that? At least I had smash to play with friends but wow. I mean I sort of got korrasami but....wow. That was nowhere near as intense with god awful cgi all over the place.

...at least I got korrasami. Sort of. Wait I already said that.

Ok, I want some good breakdowns. Where are the good posts I missed?
The only good breakdown was Kuviras
Heyoo
 
I'm reading your posts, I'm just having a hard time following. I want to understand you.

I don't see the point of doing more of the same of what we've already been shown. If I had taken their interactions the way you did outright, then I would have found it tiresome to see them go on and on with that when the precious little time the show had could be used for more plot-important things. Not to mention that, for those like me who did not see it coming, if they had ramped up the amount of interactions between Korra and Asami throughout the show, they'd run the risk of cluing us in too early, thus ruining the surprise.

As for the double standard...I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. The argument hinges on whether or not it was poorly executed. You think it was. I thought it was fine. And I would have felt the same way if it were a male character in Asami's place. Underwhelmed by the outcome honestly, but the same about the execution.

I mean... Characters falling in love shouldn't be a surprise, like, that should be a big deal that's built up to. It says a lot for the pacing that it comes off as a surprise. That's not how a relationship naturally progresses. And while the show's limited time is precious, it's not like they need to devote chunks of episode to it every week, just little winks and nods so it actually appears like these characters actually have some kind of mounting attraction, plenty of other shows do it in the same time frame.

As for how I wouldn't get bored of the exchanges: I don't get tired of characterization, considering it's sort of a major part of story telling. And I said in the same vain, not exactly the same, I'm not sitting here asking that Asami compliments Korra's hair every episode. Surely you don't get bored of the fighting every episode just because they've shown the same before
 

DedValve

Banned
The last scene was really good, it touched a string in my heart but the overall buildup felt like it ended on a wimper rather than a bang. Like it wasn't the "end" of the Legend of Korra.

And I don't really see any significance or importance of a new spirit portal. Sure it's new and not thousands of years old and was made by Korra...sort of (Kuvira gets some credit too) but...like...whats the point?

Same with Kuvira, what was her endgame with republic city? Destroy the damn thing? She was literally fumbling around waiting for Korra to attack and Korra sure took her sweetass time going into the avatar state to wreck Kuvira and then she talk no jutsu'd her ass faster than Naruto ever could and then Kuvira all of a sudden has mommy issues and then and then and then.

Meh, the last 2 minutes where good. I'm happy for Varrick/Zhu lee and Korra/Asami. That last scene really got me.

This was diet soda. It's still soda but the aftertaste just leaves a sting and overall puts a damper.

But despite a shitty finale that last scene really stuck with me, even out of the korrasami shipping, it just felt really cool. Like Korra was going into the next phase of her life. I liked that. Felt complete in a way, it sticks in my mind.
 

Daemul

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So um....that ending was....

Damn. I waited 2 days for that? At least I had smash to play with friends but wow. I mean I sort of got korrasami but....wow. That was nowhere near as intense with god awful cgi all over the place.

...at least I got korrasami. Sort of. Wait I already said that.

Ok, I want some good breakdowns. Where are the good posts I missed?

Go to the OT1 and start reading from page 349.
 

Lord Panda

The Sea is Always Right
It's been a couple of days since I watched the Korra finale and it still aches. I'll get over it someday.
 
Exactly the same here. I tried to play some Dragon Age this weekend, but nope. I've just been rewatching the last scene and talking about the show.

I am legit shook about it, in the best way possible. Like, they really did it? Amazing. It has consumed my mental processes for the entire.

Watching highlights from the series. I can't believe Avatar is over. It's fucking heartbreaking. I've been watching this since I was a kid :(
 

AniHawk

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my thoughts are all over the place. i don't view the legend of korra as being over, but rather the entire series of avatar: the last airbender. i doubt nickelodeon will ever back a project like this again. it's not just 2.5 years of a show i've been following and mostly liked coming to an end, it's about six years of a series coming to a close, one that surpassed all expectations i had since i first heard about it even in the years before that. for some, i realize this is the end of almost a decade of a series. i'm sure there are people out there who post here and actually grew up with this show, starting from aang's age in the first episode of avatar (minus a hundred years) and ending at korra's in the finale.

i really love avatar: the last airbender. it's a great action-adventure series with a lot of attention to detail, wonderful characters, and inventive fight scenes and interactions. i also like the legend of korra, not as much as avatar: the last airbender, but definitely quite a bit. i think korra is a little more pick-up-and-play while avatar is built more for marathons. it's a rougher show with worse writing and poor pacing. but i feel there are a couple of things it does that surpasses avatar: the last airbender.

1. the music. good god the music is fucking incredible in this show. it's good in the last airbender too, but when i first heard 'the rally' in korra, i knew things had kicked up a notch. it's so much more beautiful and carries more weight than really anything in avatar (and i know the response to this suggestion and yes, i really do mean anything). i think it gives the show its identity more than the 1920s/1930s aesthetics do.

2. the art style. i might be alone on this, and i can respect that a lot of people enjoy the look of avatar: the last airbender, but for me it was a barrier. i didn't watch the show because it looked like teen titans, jackie chan adventures, and other 'american cartoons trying to be anime.' i didn't realize just how much effort had been put into it until i decided to watch it, but i came to enjoy it as time went on, especially with the slapstick that would come along with it. with korra though, i was always on board. it sort of allowed for less physical comedy, but i was okay with that. the show proved it could be funny regardless with some fun facial expressions and well, varrick.

3. antagonist motivation. amon and zaheer both had really interesting motives to do what they did. more than that, both questioned the need for an avatar in a modern world. to me, that's more exciting than bad guy wants to take over, which was admittedly half of korra, but it was all of avatar: the last airbender. even kuvira believed, to an extreme fault, that she was doing what she felt was best, so that she could protect people she cared about. this was different from ozai's plot to take over the world because he was a fucking nutjob. being an action show, these conflicts (especially in seasons 1 and 3) provided interesting interactions between ideologies. there really isn't any in avatar, except for zuko, i guess. i don't think avatar: the last airbender needed this, and surely the legend of korra rarely delves deep for this (season 1 is almost never mentioned ever again), but simply having these motivations made it a lot more fun to watch these characters whenever they were on screen.

i also kind of like korra better than aang, especially at the end. she comes from a place of strength and eventually learns compassion as the answer. aang comes from a place of compassion and as to find overwhelming strength to defeat his greatest foes. to me, his ultimate solution was boring. korra's on the other hand, aside from the first season, was born from her learning how to work with others, and how to inspire others. she's saved by jinora, the airbenders she recruits, and eventually talks kuvira down at the end of their final conflict. unlike some people, i felt like korra really did develop and respond realistically from season to season. it felt logical and normal to me that she 'regressed' in season 2's opening considering her attitude in season 1, and it felt like her final moments in season 4 had more weight after all she'd been through.

regarding the finale itself, i feel like i need another post to gather my thoughts.
 
my thoughts are all over the place. i don't view the legend of korra as being over, but rather the entire series of avatar: the last airbender. i doubt nickelodeon will ever back a project like this again. it's not just 2.5 years of a show i've been following and mostly liked coming to an end, it's about six years of a series coming to a close, one that surpassed all expectations i had since i first heard about it even in the years before that. for some, i realize this is the end of almost a decade of a series. i'm sure there are people out there who post here and actually grew up with this show, starting from aang's age in the first episode of avatar (minus a hundred years) and ending at korra's in the finale.

i really love avatar: the last airbender. it's a great action-adventure series with a lot of attention to detail, wonderful characters, and inventive fight scenes and interactions. i also like the legend of korra, not as much as avatar: the last airbender, but definitely quite a bit. i think korra is a little more pick-up-and-play while avatar is built more for marathons. it's a rougher show with worse writing and poor pacing. but i feel there are a couple of things it does that surpasses avatar: the last airbender.

1. the music. good god the music is fucking incredible in this show. it's good in the last airbender too, but when i first heard 'the rally' in korra, i knew things had kicked up a notch. it's so much more beautiful and carries more weight than really anything in avatar (and i know the response to this suggestion and yes, i really do mean anything). i think it gives the show its identity more than the 1920s/1930s aesthetics do.

2. the art style. i might be alone on this, and i can respect that a lot of people enjoy the look of avatar: the last airbender, but for me it was a barrier. i didn't watch the show because it looked like teen titans, jackie chan adventures, and other 'american cartoons trying to be anime.' i didn't realize just how much effort had been put into it until i decided to watch it, but i came to enjoy it as time went on, especially with the slapstick that would come along with it. with korra though, i was always on board. it sort of allowed for less physical comedy, but i was okay with that. the show proved it could be funny regardless with some fun facial expressions and well, varrick.

3. antagonist motivation. amon and zaheer both had really interesting motives to do what they did. more than that, both questioned the need for an avatar in a modern world. to me, that's more exciting than bad guy wants to take over, which was admittedly half of korra, but it was all of avatar: the last airbender. even kuvira believed, to an extreme fault, that she was doing what she felt was best, so that she could protect people she cared about. this was different from ozai's plot to take over the world because he was a fucking nutjob. being an action show, these conflicts (especially in seasons 1 and 3) provided interesting interactions between ideologies. there really isn't any in avatar, except for zuko, i guess. i don't think avatar: the last airbender needed this, and surely the legend of korra rarely delves deep for this (season 1 is almost never mentioned ever again), but simply having these motivations made it a lot more fun to watch these characters whenever they were on screen.

i also kind of like korra better than aang, especially at the end. she comes from a place of strength and eventually learns compassion as the answer. aang comes from a place of compassion and as to find overwhelming strength to defeat his greatest foes. to me, his ultimate solution was boring. korra's on the other hand, aside from the first season, was born from her learning how to work with others, and how to inspire others. she's saved by jinora, the airbenders she recruits, and eventually talks kuvira down at the end of their final conflict. unlike some people, i felt like korra really did develop and respond realistically from season to season. it felt logical and normal to me that she 'regressed' in season 2's opening considering her attitude in season 1, and it felt like her final moments in season 4 had more weight after all she'd been through.

regarding the finale itself, i feel like i need another post to gather my thoughts.

I agree with everything said. About that first part: When AtLA premiered, Aang was 12 and I was 11. Korra is ending and she's 21. I'm 20 and turn 21 in a few weeks. I've basically grown up alongside this franchise. It's heartbreaking to see it end. But I was honetsly really satisfied with the ending and though Korra's development was fantastic.

I'm still having trouble processing the finale and I don't know why.
Korrasami is literally unbelievable. I'm struggling to grasp that it actually happened. I fucking love it.
 
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