Nope, Goku knows Kaioken, and he Spirit Bomb...as well as him being alive and all.
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The Legend of Korra: Book 4 |OT2| ALL HAIL THE GREAT UNITER
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Nope, Goku knows Kaioken, and he Spirit Bomb...as well as him being alive and all.
BKatastrophe
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Well, the League members put themselves on trial because they almost succeded in the genocide of said planet (under mind-control, but still). So, I mean, shit happens.
You're probably right.
Ah, I gotcha. There was this YouTube video a friend of mine listened to, and the entire thing was just about Dragonball's time lines. I'm sure, based on that, every single movie could be argued to fit into a different timeline.
Probably the only good thing. (I actually like that form more the SSJG)
JadedWriter
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Super Sayian God isn't even much of a transformation. GT's biggest problem was that nobody could beat anybody except either Goku or amped up Gogeta. The fight choreography wasn't much of an improvement either.
BKatastrophe
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Pretty much. Literally everyone is just fucking useless. That was an issue before GT though. The Buu saga was probably the major start of it. It carried into GT, and quite frankly into the Battle of the Gods saga (is it okay to say that? That it's a saga?) as well.
JadedWriter
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Nobody could even touch Bearus until Vegeta got his, "He smacked my bitch up" power up. I like Goku, but he shouldn't be the only one allowed to beat people. Even Yusuke's crew is allowed to beat people.
JadedWriter
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If Vegeta wasn't so damn cocky he could've killed Imperfect Cell, Mystic Gohan should've killed Ultimate Buu or whatever the hell he called himself after he absorbed Gotenks and Piccolo. People only seemed to actually be useless against Kid Buu...SSJ3 Gotenks was about to kill Buu as well.
Well, the Buu Saga suffered from everyone holding the idiot ball.
Gotenks could have killed Super Buu, same with Gohan before Super Buu Absorbed Piccolo and Gotenks. Hell, even Goku could have killed Buu, but wanted to give everyone else a chance...
JadedWriter
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You would think Goku would've learned his lesson after the Cell Saga...
BKatastrophe
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That's because Team Urameshi were all insanely strong. Hiei and Kurama were ridiculously powerful demons, Yusuke was a mazoku, and Kuwabara had the single most spirit potential out of literally anyone. He could have been stronger than the other three.
Cell saga also had someone who wasn't Goku beating the big bad.
I never really understood the power schema involving Mystic Gohan. There's so much debate as to how strong he actually is. As for Gotenks, they could have killed him, but then because they're little shits they dicked around to much because they forgot how long they can maintain that form.
Gohan was the strongest not fused character...too bad it was wasted because he was too cocky and didn't kill Super Buu Outright.
I think the Buu Saga was the biggest example of a story folding in on itself o make it continue and have Goku be the hero. (It was rumored that Gohan was supposed to kill Buu, but people didn't like him as much as Goku, so they made him finish Buu)
JadedWriter
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That season took the biggest leaps in logic, it's not even funny actually. If they had written Gohan better than the audience would've liked him more. Usually out of the group shows the main is rarely my favorite. I like Kurama and Hiei more than Yusuke and Sailor Mars and Jupiter are my favorite Sailor Scouts.
Team Urameshi will always be better than the Z Fighters. The dynamic between Yusuke and his crew just can't be beat. Hiei racked up such a body count during the Dark Tournament, his fights were pretty much like 80's Mike Tyson fights, shit was hilarious.
JadedWriter
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We did warn you. If you're taking it seriously you're watching it wrong.
Icyflamez96
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SSJ4 looked tight af
FeenixRising
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You got yourself into it breh. Don't act like you missed the conversation about fanservice
and incest.
JadedWriter
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He better brace himself for purification.
Yeah, some say it's over designed, but I actually think it works for what they are going for considering that SSJ4 was supposed to look closer to a Great Ape.
FeenixRising
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Nothing wrong with watching a little purification.
JadedWriter
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Well that's us. I have no idea where Trey draws the line.
FeenixRising
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JadedWriter
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Yep, I wonder how far Trey got so far. Can't wait for the meltdown/reaction.The line is blurred
ironically, that gif game from gaf
JadedWriter
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It's definitely a show where you're either like, "What the fuck is this shit!" and stop watching or you're like, "Fuck it I'm in." I watched it twice so far and found it enjoyable both times in.I tried watching Kill la kill once, I didn't get very far, it was a bit too crazy for me. Let's see how far Trey manages to go
For all the issues with book 2 this is one scene I can't wait to see again when I pick up the Blu-Ray. For some reason I always find the sound of old era snu fighters to be chill inducing.
FeenixRising
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Trying to tie it within Korra verse.... I knew Suyin wasn't right in the head!! And you say I'm wrong when I say she probably subjected Kuvira to purification.
JadedWriter
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Suyin wanted to kill Kuvira so badly because she knew all of her secrets and yes Suyin isn't exactly right in the head.
Over the top dumb fun. Embrace it Trey.
FeenixRising
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I just came across another pic where Ragyo is about to subject Opal to purification.
I'll ship it.
I wasn't trying to argue with ya.
If you don't like fanfic/art then that's fine. I was just talking about canon again mostly.
But even the Christian Bible despite it's many translations has certain indisputable parts of its "canon"- the big one being Jesus plus other major details.
If a text deviates from too many of these core canon elements then it's no longer a Christian Bible.
JadedWriter
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Lol I wonder if there's any Ranma 1/2 and Korra crossover art. The characters are actually pretty interchangeable if you think about it. Korra is Ranma, Kuvira is Ukyo, Bolin is Moose, Mako is Tatewaki, Tenzin is Genma, Jinora is probably Kasumi, Who the fuck is Kodachi...Opal?
But isn't the separations of Judaism and Christianity from the fact that they don't see the New Testament as the real canon? Muslims also see Jesus as a messanger from God and Messiah, but not the Son of God. They just see him as another prophet. And I vaguely recall from my religion classes that some eastern religions like Hinduism saw Jesus as an avatar (not the TLA kind).
Whats canon in these cases?
m_shortpants
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DBZ should've ended after Cell.
Buu saga had some cool moments, but they're all so superficial that the arc sucked. "Oh Vegeta is evil? Guess not. Vegetas dead after sacrificing himself? Oh guess not, Buus still alive. Oh you can go SSJ3 and kill fat Buu? Too bad I'm Goku I put billions of lives in danger so other people have a chance to fight. Oh Gohan is now the most powerful fighter in the universe? Nope, get absorbed scrub"
Goku as the messiah and savior ruined DBZ
Buu saga had some cool moments, but they're all so superficial that the arc sucked. "Oh Vegeta is evil? Guess not. Vegetas dead after sacrificing himself? Oh guess not, Buus still alive. Oh you can go SSJ3 and kill fat Buu? Too bad I'm Goku I put billions of lives in danger so other people have a chance to fight. Oh Gohan is now the most powerful fighter in the universe? Nope, get absorbed scrub"
Goku as the messiah and savior ruined DBZ
Yeah, Cell was the perfect stopping point, Goku being able to kill Fat Buu, but not doing it always stuck out to be as the stupidest moment ever. I can see him doing it if Vegeta and Gohan was still in the game.
But both of them were dead at that moment. And he decides to leave the fate of the world to two kids? Why? I can see him realizing that he was dead and he shouldn't meddle...but why the fuck did he even go there in the first place? Hell he meddled all the way up to when he fought Fat Buu Why not just finish I out?
You mean Frieza.
I tried watching Kill la kill once, I didn't get very far, it was a bit too crazy for me. Let's see how far Trey manages to go
I'm on episode 8. The show ranges from "the fuck?" to pretty hype. I'm anxious because I heard I didn't even get to the most questionable part yet, and I already witnessed a ghoul sailor uniform all but rape a girl. There's a lot of peaks and valleys to this show.
For example, people disrobe pretty much every three minutes in this show and I'm just like
but then some dope, hype shit happens and I quickly arrive at
And I stopped taking it seriously since midway through the first episode when I realized what it was. don't worry.
JadedWriter
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The Gamagoori reveal is fucking hilarious.I'm on episode 8. The show ranges from "the fuck?" to pretty hype. I'm anxious because I heard I didn't even get to the most questionable part yet, and I already witnessed a ghoul sailor uniform all but rape a girl. There's a lot of peaks and valleys to this show.
For example, people disrobe pretty much every three minutes in this show and I'm just like
but then some dope, hype shit happens and I quickly arrive at
And I stopped taking it seriously since midway through the first episode when I realized what it was. don't worry.
Icyflamez96
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I watched the first episode months ago and it seemed interesting.
I think I'll try watching it all the way through.
I think I'll try watching it all the way through.
NipplesAndToes23
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Thought this was cute.
BKatastrophe
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Was he stronger than Goku SSJ3? Because he gets bodied right quick in Battle of the Gods.
"I suppose my right arm will do" will always be one of the greatest moments I've ever seen. That, and "A mulberry is a tree, Kuwabara is a man."
Book 2 looks phenomenal on Blu-ray.
I understand. I just really did not want another canon debate to start.
FeenixRising
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man I almost cut that show off after Gamagooi revealed his suits special power and how to turn it on, I was just looking at the TV like
hey stranger.
This Lyrics are the closest thing to a Kuvira song that I have found thus far for what I can imagine she was going through living in Zaofoo up to leaving.
Along with the changes to Zaheer that I mentioned earlier, your posts got me thinking about Kuvira and how she became unhinged; a poster (a while ago, maybe they can see this and link the post in question?) made a back story for Kuvira that involved the Dai li.
I think it would have been neat if we had actually seen the Dai li playing an advisory role and handling/helping to push Kuvira into the more unpleasant' logistical element (like labor camps etc). As the season goes on and things go more and more sideways we see them having greater influence over Kuvira's decisions. What started as great intentions giving way to desperate justifications, and we as the viewer even gets hints that they might be brain washing her.
"But that just takes away her agency and absolves her from the things she has done'" and that would be correct, until Kuvira wakes up in the spirit world disoriented (following Korra basically performing the single greatest feat in the history of Avatar let's be honest) only to have a Dha Li agent come to 'help her'. This is where it turns weird the discourse had been getting increasing familiar and assertive throughout the season, assertive obviously, now the agent is deeming her a failure, saying things like 'no wonder your parents abandoned you and Kuvira only kept you around as a decoration; it was a mistake to place the fate of Earth Empire in the hands of a nothing like you'.
Kuvira would be furious (and probably upset at her failure etc), lashing back, but we the viewer (and Korra) can see that there is no one else in the scene, only Kuvira arguing against nothingness.
Actually I'm not sure how I feel about this direction for her character, but I do like it more closely tying a parallel between Kuvira and Korra (mental illness). It shows how both of them (and people in general) need the help, support, and love of others around them.
Korra being unable to really accept help and running away for 3 years did more harm than good for her and likewise Kuvira bears deep scars from her childhood and then upbringing. It would rely somewhat on looping this all back around to the upbringing Kuvira had under Su, which seemed somewhat cruel from a certain reading and there being more of a nuanced shades-of-grey portrayal of Kuvira/Batarr Jr and Su. Even having Batarr Jr care for Kuvira deeply and there have been some history of depression or issues with Kuvira that Su never paid enough attention to would have helped and also added something to their relationship imo.
Instead Batarr Jr was smirking like an evil person from the moment he was reintroduced so the viewer could know who the 'bad guys' are, but I feel like the meat of the story is actually a lot more interesting than that. Especially with the kind of perspective you mentioned above.
No Korra/Kuvira shipping here, but I would have also liked it if in the end Korra had refused to turn Kuvira over to the authorities and instead tried to help her, or put her in place (or in the care of another... Zaheer?) that would attempt to help her work through her issues. It would have shown Korra's full maturation as the Avatar (working outside of the established order doing what she feels in best for the world and individuals), and fully stepping out of the 'shadow' of her teachers and mentors throughout the series (who would no doubt have objected, but I would like to think that Tazen would have accepted and even referred to her as 'Avatar Korra').
On the flip side this would make KorrAsami harder since KUVIRA KILLED ASAMI'S FATHER... not sure how I'd work around that one...
I'm trying to decide how half baked this whole concept is, I mean Kuvira was going nutso in season 4, having her cracking under the pressure and externalizing the responsibility for her actions (because she couldn't integrate what she wanted with what she felt she had no choice but to do to accomplish her goals for the greater good) would help reconcile some issues with her characterization.
BKatastrophe
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-rj8HVW3PQ
I've come here from nowhere
Across the unforgiving sea
Drifting further and further
It's all becoming clear to me
But violent winds are upon us and I can't sleep
Internal temperatures rising
And all the voices won't recede
I've finally found what I was looking for
A place where I can be without remorse
Because I am a stranger who has found
An even stranger war
I've finally found what I was looking for
Here I come
La chaleur me dérange
Mais c'est le grincement du bateau qui m'a réveillé
I sharpen the knife
And look down upon the bay
For all of my life
A stranger I remain
A stranger I remain
A stranger I remain
BKatastrophe
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It's a worthy pick (as is the entire soundtrack), but in The Legend of Korra game sequel, I want my Jetstream Sam-style Kuvira fight.
Or It Has to be This Way. Honestly that probably fits the best. Stranger I Remain would probably fit better with someone like P'li.
Good pick, you're probably right.
Huh, I never knew/forgot that Avatar Kyoshi created/trained the Dai Li. That lady really gave all the fucks.
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Dai_Li
And yes, we better get a Legend of Korra Game 2, that and Revengance 2, pretty please.
Huh, I never knew/forgot that Avatar Kyoshi created/trained the Dai Li. That lady really gave all the fucks.
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Dai_Li
And yes, we better get a Legend of Korra Game 2, that and Revengance 2, pretty please.
BKatastrophe
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Good pick, you're probably right.
Huh, I never knew/forgot that Avatar Kyoshi created/trained the Dai Li. That lady really gave all the fucks.
http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Dai_Li
And yes, we better get a Legend of Korra Game 2, that and Revengance 2, pretty please.
MGR:R2 is happening. Guaranteed. TLoK, I think, was actually fairly profitable. It was made for a small budget and was at the very least in the Top 10 for Steam the week it dropped. So that's something.
Also remember when the Dai Li were a threat? Got bodied so hard in Change.
That Dude John
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Well, it's Activision, so if it made money they'll make another.
BKatastrophe
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They got contracted by Nickelodeon, though. Nickelodeon provided them with a list of developers and they picked Platinum immediately off of that list. I'm not sure Activision actually owns the game rights.
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